回复 31楼Mintcafe的帖子[/url] 1955年日本的森永牛奶案——只引述，不评论。下面是2005年的一篇回溯。 [url]http://ww3.tiki.ne.jp/~jcn-o/morinaga-hiso-Englishi-version-byEitaroNOSE-pdf.pdf It was actually the Morinaga factory in Tokushima who announced that arsenic had been found in sodium phosphate, a chemical being used as a stabilizer. The stabilizer had not been sent for examination so all of the tests performed during the investigation had effectively been done so in vain. It had not been known to anybody but producers that a stabilizer was being used in the powdered milk. At the time, there were no refrigerated tanker trucks for transportation, so the milk was becoming oxidized on the long trip from the farm to the factory. The quality of the milk used was a major factor. If milk of low quality is used for powdered milk products, it is difficult to dissolve in water for consumption. This problem does not occur if good quality milk is used. In the case of Morinaga, the milk being used was almost rotten therefore they needed to add sodium phosphate as a stabilizer. According to the press release by Morinaga, they had been using this stabilizer since 1952. Sodium phosphate can be classified into three grades of purity, known as reagents, these are: the first reagent, the second reagent, and the grade suitable for industrial use. Believe it or not, the type of sodium phosphate that Morinaga had been adding to their milk was the one for industrial use, which is more commonly used as an insecticide or for cleaning boilers. In fact, during the time in question, the scales at the factory were broken so the stabilizer was not measured before being added. This is why the amount of arsenic found in each product was different depending on the date of production and lot number. The sodium phosphate in which the arsenic was found was actually produced from industrial waste. This particular waste was generated during the process of refining bauxite into aluminum at the Nippon Light Metal Company, Ltd. factory in Shimizu. It was first delivered to Japanese National Railways (currently JR) but was returned due to the presence of arsenic. This sodium phosphate was delivered to Morinaga factory in Tokushima after being rejected by many medicine companies. The Nippon Light Metal Company made an inquiry to the Ministry of Welfare via Shizuoka Prefectural Sanitation as to whether this “medicine” would constitute as a poison, in accordance with the “Poisonous and Deleterious Substances Control Law” of November 1954. They did not receive an answer from the Ministry of Welfare until November 1955, the following year. If their response had been completed much earlier, this incident would never have occurred. Aside from these details, it is needless to say that all producers have a responsibility to their customers when it comes to product quality. Including components that are best used for cleaning trains, as demonstrated by Morinaga, is nothing short of irresponsible and dangerous. Nothing can excuse the actions of Morinaga. It is clear that they neglected both their duty of care as well as and security practices, which in turn lead to this incident. In contrast, once the investigation was underway Morinaga insisted in criminal court that they had been “deceived by the medical company”. Morinaga claimed to have thought the medicine was the same as what they had been using before, therefore did not check for quality. They claimed this was an offence by the medical company against “the principle of trust”. The response from the medical company was mixed. On one hand they accepted the fact that they had actually delivered a low quality product. On the other hand, they stated, “if Morinaga had made it clear what the medicine was to be used for, we would have delivered the proper product.” The medical company did not ask about the usage of their medicine because Morinaga wanted it to remain confidential. The reason Morinaga chose to use low quality milk as a material was due to a sudden increase in their share of the powdered milk market. This growth was the result of an effective marketing campaign, which included a baby contest and commercials featuring well-known personalities. Their market share had exceeded 50% by 1955. The amount of milk Morinaga collected increased by 3.1 times over the period between 1950 and 1955. Morinaga had outdistanced their competitors, Yukijirushi and Meiji, by 2 times and 2.6 times respectively. As previously mentioned, there would have been no need to use a stabilizer at all if only Morinaga had used fresh milk as a material. Although they had been advertising that Beta Dry Milk, a higher-ranking product than MF Can, was safe, it turned out not to be true according to a recent thesis. (Nakashima. T, 2005, 50 years since the case of arsenic poisoning caused by Morinaga Milk, Vol. 3, p. 90-101).
Morinaga was found not guilty at the first trial in Tokushima district court on October 25, 1963. At a review by an appellate court in Takamatsu high court on March 31, 1966, the original decision was reversed and remanded. Following this, at a hearing in the Supreme Court, a final appeal was rejected on February 27, 1969. Eventually, it was through Tokushima district court that the head of factory production at Morinaga, Tokushima was sentenced to three years’ imprisonment. Eighteen years had passed since the indictment was first issued. It was one of the top ten longest lawsuits in history.
三聚氰胺案不但受害者坐牢，連帶幫受害者起訴的中國最大的legal aid 公盟律師事務所也被強制關閉，為受害者申訴的律師和法律學者不是在牢裡就是被逼遠走美國。 三聚氰胺案十週年的時候有媒體做了回訪，印象最深的是，有一個北京的媽媽因為要求後期醫療費用的賠償而四處奔走申請，最後失去了工作。為了讓腦損傷的兒子能夠得到更好照顧，她帶著孩子離開中國，黑在加拿大，這樣她的孩子可以獲得加拿大政府的救助。
2008年“三聚氰胺事情”，改变了很多人的人生。 近30万中国婴儿受害，其中多人病亡， 至今，“大头娃娃”仍让无数家长心惊肉跳。 当年，处于“风暴眼”的三鹿集团董事长田文华，被判无期徒刑，锒铛入狱。 如今，13年已过， 本以为田文华要“老死狱中”，却传来消息： 她因在狱中“表现良好”，已获三次减刑， “无期”变“有期”，可能快出狱了……
田文华，成了国内著名的女企业家。 那么，三鹿奶粉是靠什么做到低价的呢？ 02 其实三鹿早在2004年4月，就爆雷了。 田文华提出了“奶牛下乡，牛奶进程”新模式， 企业将奶牛卖给农民，农民养牛，用牛奶还债。 这种模式大大降低了企业成本，快速扩大生产规模，其后蒙牛、伊利等奶企都曾仿照这种模式。 但它有个最大弊端：削弱了奶企对奶源的把控。 看似让企业走上了快车道，实则埋下了隐患。 2004年4月，安徽阜阳出现了一例“大头娃娃”事件，不过因为当时网络信息还不发达，事情最终被压了下来。 如今17年已过，那个孩子侥幸存活长大， 外表看，和正常人区别不大， 但当她摊开手，两根食指却永远无法伸直。 悦悦的手指
事发后，三鹿集团选择了“紧急公关”，危机不久就被压了下去。 此时，若“三鹿”能引起重视， 30万中国孩子或许就能得救。 但是快速增长，迷乱了管理者的眼睛。 转眼来到2005年，中国约2000万新生儿呱呱坠地，奶粉需求大增，奶价一路飞涨，供不应求…… 当时各地都建起了私人奶站，缺乏监管机制。 农户们为了牟利，就往鲜奶中兑水， 稀释奶的营养成分不足，通不过蛋白质检测， 于是，他们开始往奶中添加“三聚氰胺”。
1个月后，6月28日， 甘肃解放军第一医院的泌尿科医生张伟，接诊了一位“结石宝宝”。 孩子刚10个月，全身浮肿，无法排尿， 襁褓中的婴儿奄奄一息，辗转了4家医院。 他痛苦的小脸，让张医生夜不能寐， 行医23年，从未见过这么小的孩子得肾结石。 手术后，他心中的疑团更甚。
然而没待他深思，接下来的10天， 医院又陆续收治了三名“结石宝宝”， 全是6-11个月的婴儿，全喝了三鹿奶粉。 有的婴儿，双肾结石，输尿管里的结石长7毫米、宽4毫米…… 孩子疼得死去活来，无法排尿，危在旦夕。 通过与患儿父母交流，张伟医生觉得： 婴儿奶粉，有问题！ 7月16日，张医生向医院汇报了此事，医院随后上报了上级主管部门。 8月13日，张医生又成功抢救了一名濒死患儿， 走出手术室，他面色凝重： 为了孩子们的生命，不能再等了！ 他自行组织医务人员对兰州市四家大超市的三鹿奶粉展开了调查，进一步确定了自己的怀疑！ 9月8日，甘肃14名患儿被诊断为肾结石。
这封信，寄给了《南方周末》， 同时，张伟让患儿家属找本地媒体曝光。 这是一群经济并不宽裕的家长，但为了孩子，大家拼命奔走发声。 2008年9月8日，《兰州晨报》发出了报道：
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这种事要是现在出来的话立马就被摁下去了。
伊利鲜奶的质量我不了解。只想说鲜奶导致胃胀气未必都是因为质量问题，乳糖不耐受会导致胃胀气这些情况。亚裔成年人里面90%以上是乳糖不耐受，只不过每个人严重程度不同。
这根本不是她一个CEO的问题，这是全行业到如今，缺乏诚信，肆意敛财，资本运作的冰山一角！ 更可怕的是，这个无法无天，操纵舆论，无人敢言的社会体制！ 死循环！ 无解！
🛋️ 沙发板凳
同样看到很气愤，那些年毁掉那么多孩子
跟双汇一样，面瘫影帝派系
没错，不是这件事儿也有其他事儿，一件一件层出不穷。呆在国内就是永远的韭菜，总有轮到你挨镰刀的一天。
牛奶是有的，之前一直被蒙牛这些没良心的忽悠着
东方快车谋杀案
法律规定，无期徒刑至少服刑13年。什么是重大立功表现？在监狱能干啥？必须要突出出来——举报别人，或者发明创造。举报就算了，没人敢干这傻事。 至于发明创造？买一个或多个未注册的专利就行了。 一句话，无期徒刑可以用钱减刑。从60-80年减刑到13年。
而哪些人有钱？不言而喻。
当年的孙小果案，被判死缓，结果被八面玲珑的继父找人托关系，然后10年后就化名在外活动了。 而类似孙小果继父这样的人有多少呢？能上位的官吏的基操而已。
李文亮事件以后，言论管控有放松么？没有了报道的渠道，这种事情只会更多。
另外，当年已经生产出来的奶粉并没有销毁。
日本的森永牛奶案，毒死上百婴儿，上万人终身受害，初审无罪，再审也就判了一个中级官员三年而已, 森永现在还是商界巨头，这才真叫儿戏。
赞这种洗地和转移视角的方式
必须大大的赞👍！
脸皮没有厚到一定层次
是做不到的！
非常的佩服！
现在可没人敢报道了 也就那个年代了
资本驾驭法律。权法勾搭。看看美国那个亚裔女绑的跟个粽子一样死掉，警察嫩是给搞了个自杀结案。哪有司法公正可言啊。
看来韩国还好些？3星太子总裁时不时还得进去蹲几年。
南方系的公知们都被下架噤声了
总认为有目的的以摧残不会开口的婴儿来牟利是更大的罪恶，范围之广大，残害后影响终身的残病痛苦，这还不算最残忍恶毒？！试想一下自己的孩子如果喝了毒奶粉呢？！惩罚不能算不重，但是不再提起不再警示，国家的权力掩盖把更多人的恶都掩盖了，终归还是太轻了！
又来了，所谓的无敌逻辑： “只要世界上没有完美国家，那就大家都一个样，谁也别说谁”， “就算今天有完美国家，那他祖上肯定也有过不完美的时候，所以还是没资格说我”
森永牛奶案是1955年的事，半个多世纪，人类科技、文明、法制整体进化了多少？你要拿1955年的事跟2008年的事放在同一个价值标准里面比较？照你们这种逻辑，一百多年前，中国妇女还强制裹小脚，那今天女的被家暴跟那个比是不是都不叫个事？过去三妻四妾是正常社会形态，那今天男的只是在外面养一个小三是不是还算挺专一的？古代有凌迟、车裂，那今天区区一点刑讯逼供、屈打成招是不是你还得感恩戴德、皇恩浩荡？
你就算要比，也要比全面。森永所有的历史纪录都是公开透明的， 半个多世纪过去了，日本到今天依然有专门的社团组织定期自由公开不受任何干扰地举办活动纪念当年受害者、有全面记录事件经过的纪念册、有专门的网站分享事件真相、帮助当年受害者申诉维权、获得救济和帮助。中国呢？受害家庭能够不被阻挠、不受打压地公开维权吗？有任何组织在今天还能举办活动纪念受害者吗？有任何组织能够自由地运作来帮助救济受害者吗？网络上能公开的讨论、反思、追责吗？不管你是要维权还是要搞纪念活动，今天都是”辱华“、”造谣“、”抹黑“、“寻衅滋事”、“非法聚集”、“没有大局观”、“扰乱社会治安”、“勾结境外反华势力”、“给境外反动媒体递刀子”。再过些年，恐怕很多人都已经忘记了这件事发生过。
有知道他现状的吗?
1955年日本的森永牛奶案——只引述，不评论。下面是2005年的一篇回溯。
[url]http://ww3.tiki.ne.jp/~jcn-o/morinaga-hiso-Englishi-version-byEitaroNOSE-pdf.pdf
It was actually the Morinaga factory in Tokushima who announced that arsenic had been found in sodium phosphate, a chemical being used as a stabilizer. The stabilizer had not been sent for examination so all of the tests performed during the investigation had effectively been done so in vain.
It had not been known to anybody but producers that a stabilizer was being used in the powdered milk. At the time, there were no refrigerated tanker trucks for transportation, so the milk was becoming oxidized on the long trip from the farm to the factory. The quality of the milk used was a major factor. If milk of low quality is used for powdered milk products, it is difficult to dissolve in water for consumption. This problem does not occur if good quality milk is used. In the case of Morinaga, the milk being used was almost rotten therefore they needed to add sodium phosphate as a stabilizer. According to the press release by Morinaga, they had been using this stabilizer since 1952.
Sodium phosphate can be classified into three grades of purity, known as reagents, these are: the first reagent, the second reagent, and the grade suitable for industrial use. Believe it or not, the type of sodium phosphate that Morinaga had been adding to their milk was the one for industrial use, which is more commonly used as an insecticide or for cleaning boilers. In fact, during the time in question, the scales at the factory were broken so the stabilizer was not measured before being added. This is why the amount of arsenic found in each product was different depending on the date of production and lot number.
The sodium phosphate in which the arsenic was found was actually produced from industrial waste. This particular waste was generated during the process of refining bauxite into aluminum at the Nippon Light Metal Company, Ltd. factory in Shimizu. It was first delivered to Japanese National Railways (currently JR) but was returned due to the presence of arsenic.
This sodium phosphate was delivered to Morinaga factory in Tokushima after being rejected by many medicine companies. The Nippon Light Metal Company made an inquiry to the Ministry of Welfare via Shizuoka Prefectural Sanitation as to whether this “medicine” would constitute as a poison, in accordance with the “Poisonous and Deleterious Substances Control Law” of November 1954. They did not receive an answer from the Ministry of Welfare until November 1955, the following year. If their response had been completed much earlier, this incident would never have occurred. Aside from these details, it is needless to say that all producers have a responsibility to their customers when it comes to product quality. Including components that are best used for cleaning trains, as demonstrated by Morinaga, is nothing short of irresponsible and dangerous.
Nothing can excuse the actions of Morinaga. It is clear that they neglected both their duty of care as well as and security practices, which in turn lead to this incident.
In contrast, once the investigation was underway Morinaga insisted in criminal court that they had been “deceived by the medical company”. Morinaga claimed to have thought the medicine was the same as what they had been using before, therefore did not check for quality. They claimed this was an offence by the medical company against “the principle of trust”. The response from the medical company was mixed. On one hand they accepted the fact that they had actually delivered a low quality product. On the other hand, they stated, “if Morinaga had made it clear what the medicine was to be used for, we would have delivered the proper product.” The medical company did not ask about the usage of their medicine because Morinaga wanted it to remain confidential.
The reason Morinaga chose to use low quality milk as a material was due to a sudden increase in their share of the powdered milk market. This growth was the result of an effective marketing campaign, which included a baby contest and commercials featuring well-known personalities. Their market share had exceeded 50% by 1955. The amount of milk Morinaga collected increased by 3.1 times over the period between 1950 and 1955. Morinaga had outdistanced their competitors, Yukijirushi and Meiji, by 2 times and 2.6 times respectively.
As previously mentioned, there would have been no need to use a stabilizer at all if only Morinaga had used fresh milk as a material. Although they had been advertising that Beta Dry Milk, a higher-ranking product than MF Can, was safe, it turned out not to be true according to a recent thesis. (Nakashima. T, 2005, 50 years since the case of arsenic poisoning caused by Morinaga Milk, Vol. 3, p. 90-101).
Morinaga was found not guilty at the first trial in Tokushima district court on October 25, 1963. At a review by an appellate court in Takamatsu high court on March 31, 1966, the original decision was reversed and remanded. Following this, at a hearing in the Supreme Court, a final appeal was rejected on February 27, 1969. Eventually, it was through Tokushima district court that the head of factory production at Morinaga, Tokushima was sentenced to three years’ imprisonment. Eighteen years had passed since the indictment was first issued. It was one of the top ten longest lawsuits in history.
有的孩子一辈子都不能像正常人一样生活 一辈子生活在病痛中
我就好奇她的孙子孙女喝自家产的奶粉吗？
请允许我中世纪一下，这种人就应该直接交给受害儿童的家长，大家想怎么处理就怎么处理。
这种董事长的裙带关系肯定不少，他们那帮吃香喝辣的都抓了吗？能不能让他们子子孙孙都喝毒奶粉？
三聚氰胺案不但受害者坐牢，連帶幫受害者起訴的中國最大的legal aid 公盟律師事務所也被強制關閉，為受害者申訴的律師和法律學者不是在牢裡就是被逼遠走美國。
三聚氰胺案十週年的時候有媒體做了回訪，印象最深的是，有一個北京的媽媽因為要求後期醫療費用的賠償而四處奔走申請，最後失去了工作。為了讓腦損傷的兒子能夠得到更好照顧，她帶著孩子離開中國，黑在加拿大，這樣她的孩子可以獲得加拿大政府的救助。
这事摆到现在，入狱的肯定是那医生和记者
那会言论还有点自由，微博什么的还能发
所以三鹿集团的事儿就不叫事儿？这个逻辑真感人啊。
对，早10年中华人民共和国还没成立，那时候法制更混乱。军阀杀个人不算什么。要比咱们就这么比。
外宣成天就这么一招：跟半个多世纪甚至几个世纪以前的外国社会比文明程度。
前一阵说美国以前杀印第安人，现在又是日本70年前的食品安全问题。
你们继续，这样会让你们的国家更好，加油！
做人说话还是要有点底线的哦
不得不说为这种事洗地的真的是畜生了
以前有参与的，今天帮忙洗地的，一律断子绝孙
同意，不说远的，就说佛州那个倒塌的居民楼，有哪个承包商出来负责了？救援速度缓慢，一个人都没救出来了，市长还脸皮特别厚说尽力了，吐了
邮局大叔还以为我是做奶粉生意的，后来还问我生意如何～～
买光香港奶粉，是不是蝗虫说的开始。但是这也是无奈啊，自己家旁边超市有放心奶，谁会这么折腾。
就问美国楼塌和在中国奶粉里下毒有啥关系。所以中国奶粉下毒就不是个事儿？
要比七十年前的日本也不是不可以，麻烦楼里几位找下日本受害家长被起诉刑拘的记录。
它们的逻辑就是，美国不是完美的，你既然只考了９９分，就没有资格说我这个零分的学渣～～
森永这件事可怕在早就爆出来了，但是媒体官僚还有医生都被收买了，终审有罪差不多在案发后十八年，被判有罪的也只被关了三年，这方面中国只要是被爆出来了，还是相当雷厉风行的。
可恨！钱捞够了，出来还是吃香喝辣。可惜了30万儿童。3万赔偿够干什么呢？ 这种人不是应该不能缓刑，不得保释吗？为什么国家在儿童福利上面这么不堪呢？
我回国玩 回来带了芒果干 在办公室给他尝尝。 他说他不吃中国带来的吃的 连奶粉都有加有毒的东西 吃的不放心。 就不吃了 当时真是很尴尬。
也请你谈谈三鹿事件的可怕之处啊。日本的七十年前了，食物药品安全检测在全世界都没一定规范，我再给你个外国的例子。 Thalidomide听过吗？比森永还晚的，欧美出生多少海报儿。四十年代当年连fda 都不太管事儿。 时间快进到二十一世纪，科学进步了监管也到位了，结果那些年中国之大找不出安全奶粉。 三鹿事件的可怕之处在于爆出来了，受害家长坐牢了。 可怕之处在于过几年疫苗又出事儿了，结果是一批官员异地做官。
这个事情出了以后，好像缺德舅宣布全店没有中国食品。
耿直老头～～话说，现在你们敢不敢放心大胆地吃国内生产的食品？
没错。日本美国案例在先，中国不想着学习经验，避开危险，却把别人的错误都犯一遍，甚至发扬光大。 不解决问题，只解决提出问题的人。
不要脸不要心的东西们出了事就全世界找各个国家类似的事比，哪怕不知道多少年前的事。别人国家管你毛事阿？每件事都做的最缺德的话加起来就是整个都缺德！这种做事心态才是害国家害民族
那个完美的逻辑是你的，不要戴在别人头上，我举森永是针对那个法律儿戏一说，中国法律大概挺严厉的，就我知道的大型食物中毒案，没听说哪个被处死刑，总裁被抓，最多就是被告到公司破产，你要说现代，美国也有几次规模性的食物中毒，包括今年的四大婴儿食品品牌重金属超标，这件事爆出来也有几年了吧，处死了谁？关押了哪个总裁？
某国死多少至今还是个谜🤮
这话出自一个经常性满口文革的人感觉非常讽刺🤣
做人还是有点逻辑哦🤷♀️
是啊，支持把所有危害食品安全的处死刑，不过这里有为这种公司洗地的嘛。倒是有不少看到别人不和自己振臂高呼就认为别人“反革命”的，思维逻辑也是蛮有意思的。