F class 自由15年了,不少次国泰前面6个座占4个,我是中美商务舱什么样都忘了。pandemic以前每年积10张来回票。知道折腾的人根本不要上千,更别说上万了。。。我记得是平均$400来回,花3个小时。现在懒了,还有几百万等着贬值呢。LZ 别以为坐前面的都是挥金如土的。其实连private jet都有很多deals,我飞过2年。
F class 自由15年了,不少次国泰前面6个座占4个,我是中美商务舱什么样都忘了。pandemic以前每年积10张来回票。知道折腾的人根本不要上千,更别说上万了。。。我记得是平均$400来回,花3个小时。现在懒了,还有几百万等着贬值呢。LZ 别以为坐前面的都是挥金如土的。其实连private jet都有很多deals,我飞过2年。 yolandos 发表于 2021-08-31 10:45
Haha, they say "I could tell you but then I would have to kill you". Believing it is doable and you are half way there. 98% people will stop right there. And you need to do your own research because the game changes every year。In a nutshell, the current game is a matter of recycling your credit lines and buy stuff you can quickly turn into cash and in turn pay your credit cards and stay under the radors. You think big (like putting 200K charge through in a month on your CCs) and pay a very tiny fee during the process when you combine with your miles earning CC with your cashback CCs. Treat your miles as another digitial currency which you can use to buy airline tickets (but also keep in mind that it devalues much faster than USD). I think round trip F class cost 80K-130K oneway. The rest is just simple math and a matter of keeping the cost down. Also keep in mind how many hrs you put in and see if it is worth your time.
buy stuff you can quickly turn into cash 这个好像是最难的 Just4vennting 发表于 2021-08-31 16:08
Yes it does require some creative thinking. Years ago people bought billions worth of $1 dollar coins from US mint with CC and shipped for free and turne around and deposit them into banks and paid off the credit bills. These coins ended up in US treasury and eventually the program to replace paper dollar bill with coin dollar was killed. I read about it and found it too funny that U.S. government was played... it was way too heavy though. Another example was buying gold from ebay with all the fees discounted and unload them immediately at local gold collectors/dealers...
Yes it does require some creative thinking. Years ago people bought billions worth of $1 dollar coins from US mint with CC and shipped for free and turne around and deposit them into banks and paid off the credit bills. These coins ended up in US treasury and eventually the program to replace paper dollar bill with coin dollar was killed. I read about it and found it too funny that U.S. government was played... it was way too heavy though. Another example was buying gold from ebay with all the fees discounted and unload them immediately at local gold collectors/dealers... yolandos 发表于 2021-08-31 16:30
这次到欧洲玩半个月,一家人花费也不会超过一万美金,机票买得早挺便宜。但如果买商务舱, 一家人的机票就要快两万了,似乎又是无论如何不可能花费的。
不禁好奇,这里很多工作家庭收入是top 1%, 大多是5%, 有多少人自费商务舱呢?要到什么境界才会考虑自费商务舱呢?
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还好坐的是商务舱,睡一觉就到,飞的次数多了到最后也基本没感觉到什么时差了。好处是攒了无数里程。还有空姐约吃饭。可惜结婚了无法应约。
你廊坊的?不知道美国万税吗?
一个月一趟 这就有点惨了 时差调来调去也很辛苦 我觉得一年三趟可以
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我不明白坐境内廉价公务舱的意义?就是经济舱改的啊中间隔个位子或者两座并一座啊
美国境内东西岸之间的公务有只是稍微宽一点的座位,也有可以躺平的,票价差别明显。前者我不会买。
我是说坐美国到欧洲的廉价公务舱。
我只坐过一次中美商务舱,达美可以躺平,但我还是觉得很累很累,还是一分钟都没睡着。。。我就是非常讨厌坐长途飞机。
这样的昂…
土人从没坐过商务舱的,能给描述一下那种回不去的感觉吗?比如我自己,坐飞机最受不了的不是腿伸不平,而是那种轰隆隆吵得耳膜要穿孔的巨大噪音,商务舱也不能幸免吧?或者坐前几排噪音会大大减弱吗?
我觉得noise cancellation headphone就可以了。很多公务舱给配的。然后睡着了就不觉得吵了。
我对噪音无感,就是感觉商务舱一上来还没飞呢就先有空乘给你拿酒水饮料,随时可以放倒躺平,各种小零食装在盘子里给你拿来,正餐有牛排等等好吃的可以选,因为人少厕所从来不排队,感觉不要太爽。。。
好羡慕可以坐商务舱的。
可能我太矫情吧,坐飞机就从来没有不戴BOISE耳机的,但是那种哄轰隆隆噪音还是有的
你可能是因为没躺下来睡着
re,其实也不贵,看你打算花钱在哪里了!
疫情之前,中美航线便宜的时候大约$2000,贵的时候大约七八千
坐长途飞机我用BOSE抗噪耳机, 大大减少噪音照成的不适
飞机越小越不安全啊。
我一般带小娃出门长途是坐商务舱,因为娃睡得舒服一些,坏处就是很无聊。
坐在engine前面明显比后面要安静的多,越靠前越安静。这也是为什么好座位都布置在前面的原因
我父母之前每年来美国也是坐商务舱,年纪大了坐十几个小时的经济舱腰受不了。
我和父母做商务舱回国,一路上我都在上网看电脑,我妈当时没说啥。后来忍不住问我,这样不觉得浪费么? 我说:如果是睡13个小时不是更浪费么?我平时在家不是每晚都睡在床上么? 又:如果控制回国频率,比如2-3年回去一次,攒着一起坐商务舱,估计就可以自由了。
对 噪音是我觉得比坐十几个小时更讨厌的 所以商务舱比经济舱舒服毋庸置疑 但是指望商务舱美美睡一觉下了飞机立马吃喝玩乐不受影响 可能性不大 更不要说还有时差呢
re。感觉BOSE耳机可以把周围人说话的噪音给过滤了,但是那种飞机本身的嗡嗡嗡的噪音还在。而且感觉noise cancelling headphone一直戴着耳膜会刺痛。
睡不美,但是下飞机时差就差不多过来了也不用难受两天是可以的。但估计也分人吧,至少我们家躺着睡一觉回去,基本下飞机可以活奔乱跳了
旅游真的太费钱了。。。。
商务仓真的能睡好吗?火车坐铺和卧铺的区别?
差远了,火车卧铺比头等舱的床还大,别说和商务舱比
Business class和跨洋的first class从来不pay sticker price
那商务仓也睡不好啊。。。
我跟你差不多感受,依然觉得非常不舒服。有钱的话,应该会自己买,毕竟还是比经济舱舒服一些,但舒服的程度也很有限。
去欧洲一般去程都是红眼航班,都是商务,回程白天坐经济舱无所谓吧,8-9个小时。国内就全经济了,有时侯会升舱,不强求了。
西雅图到北京往返最多11个小时。打个盹再斗个地主吃两餐就到了。 如果觉得累可以先在西雅图住一宿。 当然疫情发生后就没有了
是的
花在这里 是真的对得起自己
年纪大了 知道花在对自己好的地方最好。买什么名牌包?也不在乎别人的眼光
住行 最要紧了
食的健康也要紧。衣最不需要多花钱
出行我也尽量选择好的
体验太不同 世界太不同 对自己的感觉太不同
这也不错
我坐过几次商务舱,都是公司出钱,确实比经济舱舒服得多,但我自己肯定不会花几倍价格买,特别是旅游,都是全家那么多人出动,那就太贵了,除非特殊情况比如身体不好。十几个小时我觉得稍微看看书睡睡觉就过了。但我老了要是钱花不完我可能会考虑😌。
F class 自由15年了,不少次国泰前面6个座占4个,我是中美商务舱什么样都忘了。pandemic以前每年积10张来回票。知道折腾的人根本不要上千,更别说上万了。。。我记得是平均$400来回,花3个小时。现在懒了,还有几百万等着贬值呢。LZ 别以为坐前面的都是挥金如土的。其实连private jet都有很多deals,我飞过2年。
分享一下怎么操作了。独乐乐不如众乐乐
Haha, they say "I could tell you but then I would have to kill you". Believing it is doable and you are half way there. 98% people will stop right there.
And you need to do your own research because the game changes every year。In a nutshell, the current game is a matter of recycling your credit lines and buy stuff you can quickly turn into cash and in turn pay your credit cards and stay under the radors. You think big (like putting 200K charge through in a month on your CCs) and pay a very tiny fee during the process when you combine with your miles earning CC with your cashback CCs. Treat your miles as another digitial currency which you can use to buy airline tickets (but also keep in mind that it devalues much faster than USD). I think round trip F class cost 80K-130K oneway. The rest is just simple math and a matter of keeping the cost down. Also keep in mind how many hrs you put in and see if it is worth your time.
You may not believe it but these two are very very similar problems and have surprising similar solutions (besides printing money yourself)...
我们这一盒3lbs 才13 买多还更便宜 我每次都买四盒
好些东西就是取舍,只要是打工的,生活方式区别不大,哪怕大厂双码也是如此
当你不再想这个问题的时候
这个好像是最难的
Yes it does require some creative thinking. Years ago people bought billions worth of $1 dollar coins from US mint with CC and shipped for free and turne around and deposit them into banks and paid off the credit bills. These coins ended up in US treasury and eventually the program to replace paper dollar bill with coin dollar was killed. I read about it and found it too funny that U.S. government was played... it was way too heavy though. Another example was buying gold from ebay with all the fees discounted and unload them immediately at local gold collectors/dealers...
年纪大腰不好,也不能熬夜了,所以以后只能靠花钱买舒服😌
嗯,我也是打算娃上大学了,就开始给自己买商务/头等 😊
不想带他们玩,除非特别乖特别可爱,老娘才愿意多花点钱
梦中
不知道还回不回的去这个价格。。
坐商务舱还是很累,但至少知道自己如果想睡的时候是可以舒舒服服躺着睡的。
脑洞大开,真是佩服,我以前就觉得做代购,做生意的赚点数最快