免疫系统疾病目前指标正常,可以打疫苗吗?

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楼主 (北美华人网)
请教明白的姐妹们,家人有免疫性肝病几年了,医生说要终身服药,目前肝的各项指标都正常,可以打疫苗吗?如果可以打疫苗,正在服的药不需要间断吗?另外他还有过敏,有症状的时候胸腔疼。这样的情况会有危险吗?
羞羞草
这事不是应该问医生吗?
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bfxsd
这事不是应该问医生吗?
羞羞草 发表于 2021-08-17 17:53

给确诊的医生说不能打,现在已经不在确诊医生那看病了。家庭医生说可以打。
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umizumi
医生都没见过这样的,估计盼着你打了看看会发生什么好学习一下呢。
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bfxsd
医生都没见过这样的,估计盼着你打了看看会发生什么好学习一下呢。
umizumi 发表于 2021-08-17 17:57

她本人有些担心,不知怎么办。
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songriver
再多问个专科医生
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peekston
给确诊的医生说不能打,现在已经不在确诊医生那看病了。家庭医生说可以打。
bfxsd 发表于 2021-08-17 17:55

有一个医生说不打就应该保守起见不打。多注意防护隔离。
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Moscow79
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多问几个医生吧,不过一直在用药的话说实话打了也没啥用
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bfxsd
再多问个专科医生
songriver 发表于 2021-08-17 18:06

是啊,看了另一个专科医生也是够奇葩的,去的时候带了几年来的病例,也说了被确诊是这个病,人家说我什么都不用看,先化验再说,结果化验结果正常,人家说:你什么问题都没有!原来给确诊的医生说如果指标正常,每天吃两片,如果不正常就吃三片,实际上中间有过两三次不正常,改成三片后又转好,可见第一个医生的诊断是对的。
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NJ橘猫
感觉家庭医生夜就是会量个血压啥的
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MeiyouID
问专科医生
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bfxsd
现在因为这个事家里人意见很大,想让她打。
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lehehe123
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感觉医生也怕给建议 还是要自己权衡 打疫苗出了问题药厂不负责的
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bfxsd
有明白的姐妹给点建议,1、如果说这种情况打了没有抗体,也罢,反正是打了。但是会不会有危险。2、如果打,是不是要先停药,原来没想到这点,前段时间有人发贴说要停两周再打,打完后两周再继续服药。3、什么样的过敏不能打,过敏的反应是胸痛是什么情况,能打吗?
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pangzai123
说实在的,估计这种情况专家也不敢打保票的,网上更没结论了,还是结合自身生活环境,有条件多咨询专科医生建议再做决定吧
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minionpenjuin
我觉得很难给出意见啊,即使专家
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freys
“I’ve seen it in my clinic and they seem to be emerging three, four or five, six months later after vaccination … So I’m getting increasingly alarmed here that this is not just a simple one- or two-day problem. And so there’s great concern, particularly in younger kids that over a course of three or six or nine months, they’ll end up with heart failure or cardiac death. 

前两天一个roundtable,请的是十几个各个领域的专家,讨论了他们对疫苗的质疑。这些人都是有名有姓的医生学者,学校的full professor,世界知名的专家,publication record也可以在google scholar上查。而且他们speak out,没有任何名利收入,都是冒着丢工作丢名誉的危险,大家想想为什么。
lzmm谨慎决定,做真正的informed decision。
https://atlantabusinessjournal.com/awareness-foundation-covid-19-roundtable/
A Tsunami of Chronic Disease and Death Will COVID-19 vaccines cause a coming tsunami of hospitalization and deaths, along with debilitating chronic disease? One expert on the panel, Dr. Peter McCullough, an internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist and full professor of medicine at Texas A&M College of Medicine in Dallas with a master’s degree in public health, said he’s focused more on the short-term adverse effects from the shot. These nonfatal injuries fall into four major categories: Neurologic Immunologic Hematologic Cardiac “What I’m seeing is just the late emergence of various neurologic syndromes. And it probably depends on where the seeding occurs of, uh, of, you know, the uptake of the genetic material in the brain or support cells in the brain, but there’s a whole variety of cerebral, cerebellar, even peripheral nervous system abnormalities,” McCullough said, adding:2
… What I see is, potentially from these signals, not mass death, but just a large number of Americans and people around the world with a new chronic disease of some sort of neurodegenerative disease or cardiac disease. The patients that I’m aware of, these problems seem to be quite disabling.” 
Another panel member, Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, who has treated thousands of COVID-19 patients using hydroxychloroquine (HCQ), azithromycin and zinc sulfate,3 with great success, has a different take. He believes there is a very distinct possibility that everyone who receives the COVID jab may die from complications in the next two to three years:4
“I’m just going to give you the perspective of a clinician who deals with people that are dying … 4 million dead people can testify to the unique clinical syndrome to put them there. Basically, a natural animal virus was changed to infect humans, and then its lethality was augmented to cause blood clots and lung damage. 
And in concept here, we’re dealing with a Hitler/Stalin type of mentality with weapons of mass destruction and the way to win this war — and it’s very winnable — is in the following manner. It’s a narrative war. So we need to spread the following two ideas … Don’t give into the fear and choose to destroy yourself, No. 1. No. 2, treat your problem early. If these two ideas could penetrate the fixed calls of humanity, then it’s really the end of this crisis.” 
Dr. Tess Lawrie, whose company The Evidence-Based Medicine Consultancy has worked with the World Health Organization, agreed that the vaccines are unsafe for children and adults alike:5
“They’re actually not safe for anybody, and it’s clear. The databases are screaming. The databases are early warning systems, and the databases around the world are screaming that we are facing a tsunami of chronic disease.” 

Inflammatory Disorders, Cancer Markers on the Rise Dr. Richard Urso, an ophthalmologist in Houston, Texas, is also concerned:6
“Early on, we were seeing things, mostly thrombotic, but later, as we get into two and three months [after vaccination], we’re seeing a lot of inflammatory issues. I’ve had a host of people with inflammatory ocular disorders, as well as having orbital inflammatory diseases. 
I typically don’t see this rash number of people. For people who don’t know, my clinical practice is probably one of the largest in the United States, if not the largest, and we get a tremendous number, in volume, of patients who come through our office. And I’m seeing late inflammatory disease, and it responds quite well to inflammatory medicines.”
Some have brushed off the notion that the virus could be a bioweapon because it didn’t cause sudden, mass deaths. But this is a misconception. A successful bioweapon can be something that causes long-term, progressive, chronic-type diseases, noted Dr. Richard Fleming, a physicist, nuclear cardiologist and attorney. In 1994, Fleming introduced the theory of inflammation and vascular disease, which explains why these inflammable thrombotic diseases, and the causes, including viruses like SARS-CoV-2, produce disease states like COVID-19. “As I laid out in the theory in 1994,” Fleming said, “you’re going to see an inflammable thrombotic response. That’s the primary thing that people are noticing, be that heart disease or retinol disease.” The other factor is a prion component of this virus, “which is also a chronic smoldering disease.” Fleming noted:7
“If you’re going to actually develop something that’s going to have a massive effect on your ‘enemy,’ your goal isn’t to kill the enemy any more than it was the goal of the United States in Vietnam to kill the enemy.
The goal was to maim the enemy so that more of the enemy would be taken off the field. What we’ve seen is something that’s been implemented that is an ideal by a weapon designed to demoralize and to feed people the enemy, and to cause a slow smoldering process.” 
Fleming cited data from Pfizer that showed in the 12 to 14 days following the second injection of the Pfizer mRNA vaccine, elderly individuals had a 2.6-fold increase in symptoms of Alzheimer’s disease. “This is an inflammable thrombotic process affecting every organ system and prion diseases that not only affect the brain, but also affect the heart and other vital organs of the body.”8 Dr. Ryan Cole, a Mayo Clinic-trained, triple-boarded pathologist, also said that he’s seeing potential cancer-causing changes, including decreases in receptors that keep cancer in check, and other adverse events post-vaccine:9
“I’m seeing countless adverse reactions … it’s really post-vaccine immunodeficiency syndrome … I’m seeing a marked increase in herpetic family viruses, human papilloma viruses in the post-vaccinated. I’m seeing a marked uptick in a laboratory setting from what I see year over year of an increase of usually quiescent diseases. 
In addition to that — and correlation is not causation — but in the last six months I have seen — you know, I read a fair amount of women’s health biopsies — about a 10- to 20-fold increase of uterine cancer compared to what I see on an annual basis. Now we know that the CD8 cells are one of our T-cells to keep our cancers in check.
I am seeing early signals … what I’m seeing is an early signal in the laboratory setting that post-vaccinated patients are having diseases that we normally don’t see at rates that are already early considerably alarming.

Immediately Halt the Vaccine Program All of the experts agreed that evidence suggests the mass COVID-19 vaccination program should be halted. “There is enough evidence now just from the European Medicines Agency alone, 1.7 million in reported adverse events and 17,000 deaths that the four clinical trials should be stopped,” said Dolores Cahill, a professor at the school of medicine at the University College Dublin.
“They are detailed in the classifications, cardiac related immune, uh neuropathological and fertility associated.
So I think we all have duties as doctors and scientists to say, if something is causing more harm than good, which this clearly is, we should, I think, unify and called for a stop to the clinical trials worldwide, and also that any individual prime ministers and regulators that continue the trial would have to be liable for any adverse events.” 
Malone believes that the vaccines have merit for certain populations, namely the elderly, but is advocating for prohibition on vaccination for infants and newborns, through young adults up to ages 30 to 35. “And specifically,” he said, “I’m trying to stop this crazy effort to force universities and schools to have universal vaccination.” In addition, he added:
“We can argue about risk-benefit for elderly, but the risk-benefit ratio for newborns through young adults is explicitly clear. It is upside down. It’s not subtle there. You’re going to kill more. And, and personally, I also feel that we can dig in really hard on the reproductive health in pregnancy, in women, that there just aren’t data to support the use of this product because of the potential female reproductive health consequences.” 
Dr. Urso added the other significant population that has far more to risk than gain from vaccination: the COVID-recovered. “The immune status should be more important than the vaccination status,” he said.
“So I think there’s three groups that are easily winnable arguments [to avoid vaccination]: pregnant women, the young and … the COVID recovered … I mean, that’s a, that’s a lousy thing to do to get all these people that are COVID recovered, good immune status and give them a vaccination for something they don’t need.”

How to End Fear and Optimize Your Immune System The roundtable participants are planning to continue their discussion offline to formally request an end to mass COVID-19 vaccination for the mentioned groups as well as create a statement to end government interference with the practice of medicine. Many physicians have had their hands tied when it comes to prescribing early treatments for COVID-19, like ivermectin. As Fleming noted:
“… The reason why people die with COVID is because they’re not receiving treatment, so I would argue that we need to make certain that people, the physicians, are allowed to treat without government interference and that we put a hold on the dissemination of the vaccines at this point in time, until we can further investigate them safely.”
Dr. Sam White, whose reputation has been under attack since he released a video on social media detailing his concerns about the suppression of the science around therapeutics in the U.K., added:
“We could end the fear overnight by allowing access to therapeutics and changing the mainstream media narrative that there’s no need for masks. There’s no need for lock downs. This is more treatable than flu, as far as I’m concerned, we’re just not allowed to do any treatment. If the public knew that it changes the narrative overnight.”
While we work on changing the narrative, or at least opening up discussions of science outside of the narrative, it’s always a good idea to optimize your immune system.



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Aliciashuhao
建议小心点。我有身体健康的朋友打了以后过敏加重另一个血小板降低。当然都不太严重,所以lz一定要谨慎。身体健康的人还能挺一挺。有免疫系统的真的还是要小心点
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谢谢大家给出的建议和信息,这真不是闹着玩儿的。
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fun2013
听医生的
玫瑰玫瑰我爱你
听到身边越来越多的疫苗反应,疫苗还是要谨慎打。出了任何问题,都得自己承受后果。别人没反应不代表你也没反应,个体差异还是很大。
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9718usd
如果不是工作单位强制打,身体有基础疾病的最好不要冒险打。我也只是在两周前被单位push打的Pfizer 第一针,以前都靠个人防护。根本不是媒体所宣扬的那样,你那不打,就会感染;你要感染,就大概率重症。
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Aboo
我一个好朋友,一直有慢性肝病。当然出事儿之前我们都不知道。她一直都有慢性肝病,好像还不太注意,不吃药这种。 具体哪种不知道,最后也没有问,我猜是乙肝。5月打了疫苗以后健康急转直下,liver failure. 吃什么吐什么,黄疸,最终6月份换肝了。手术很成功。她运气也很好,一个多月就有肝源。后来大家聊天,包括她自己也不知道有没有关系。目前她还在回复中, 但是一切很顺利。仅供参考。
公用马甲33
慎重
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vitd120
我一个好朋友,一直有慢性肝病。当然出事儿之前我们都不知道。她一直都有慢性肝病,好像还不太注意,不吃药这种。 具体哪种不知道,最后也没有问,我猜是乙肝。5月打了疫苗以后健康急转直下,liver failure. 吃什么吐什么,黄疸,最终6月份换肝了。手术很成功。她运气也很好,一个多月就有肝源。后来大家聊天,包括她自己也不知道有没有关系。目前她还在回复中, 但是一切很顺利。仅供参考。
Aboo 发表于 2021-08-18 15:05

感觉有些慢性病,比如肌瘤,本来身体还是搞得定的,结果一激发就有可能出点岔子
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9718usd
知道有几位朋友乙肝在抗病毒,年龄在40至60之间,中度纤维化,打了Pfizer 疫苗,还没听说有严重副作用。建议先抗乙肝病毒,稳定后再打covid 疫苗会稳妥些。
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birchweiwei
慎重慎重,没人知道打进去会发生什么...... 免疫系统的病,怕刺激,现在疾病处于不活动期,但受刺激后,可能会重回活动期,而且病得更严重。
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gatobarb
感觉有些慢性病,比如肌瘤,本来身体还是搞得定的,结果一激发就有可能出点岔子
vitd120 发表于 2021-08-18 18:22

有个解释说疫苗把免疫系统调整成专攻新冠,结果针对其它感染和病毒的免疫力就相对下降,就导致其它的病反而容易冒头。比如带状疱疹,明显是免疫力下降导致的。我觉得还有现在小孩传染的RSV,,一般小孩的病很少传染给大人,但是版上看到好几个打疫苗的大人也得了。
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gatobarb
我一个好朋友,一直有慢性肝病。当然出事儿之前我们都不知道。她一直都有慢性肝病,好像还不太注意,不吃药这种。 具体哪种不知道,最后也没有问,我猜是乙肝。5月打了疫苗以后健康急转直下,liver failure. 吃什么吐什么,黄疸,最终6月份换肝了。手术很成功。她运气也很好,一个多月就有肝源。后来大家聊天,包括她自己也不知道有没有关系。目前她还在回复中, 但是一切很顺利。仅供参考。
Aboo 发表于 2021-08-18 15:05

这个真的有些吓人。
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vitd120
有个解释说疫苗把免疫系统调整成专攻新冠,结果针对其它感染和病毒的免疫力就相对下降,就导致其它的病反而容易冒头。比如带状疱疹,明显是免疫力下降导致的。我觉得还有现在小孩传染的RSV,,一般小孩的病很少传染给大人,但是版上看到好几个打疫苗的大人也得了。
gatobarb 发表于 2021-08-18 20:25

有一点可能,免疫力也不是无穷无尽的,拆东墙补西墙吧。。