由于cdc不靠谱和breakthrough 越来越多，确实对疫苗有效性有一定怀疑，也不相信美国的数据。政府对疫苗强推程度已经掩盖一些客观问题了。个人对半年打三针也有些排斥，觉得不管是什么疫苗，半年三针太多了。隔壁说以色列最近重症打疫苗的多，我就去查了下，结果发现不一样的结果。 我现在对以色列数据比较相信， 但是众说纷纭的，也是迷惑了。 不管哪个政府，如果为了强推一件事而去压制任何副作用，不同声音，那么诚信就下降了。 那位说以色列打疫苗重症更多的，请指出英文来源？个人是很关心这个的，如果打了疫苗重症更多，那不是被坑惨了？！ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/the-israeli-graphs-that-prove-covid-vaccines-are-working-1.10101640 As of August 8, the ministry recorded 85.6 severe COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people among the unvaccinated over the age of 60, compared to 16.3 per 100,000 people among the fully vaccinated. This makes the unvaccinated elderly more than five times as likely to experience a severe case than their immunized counterparts. For those under the age of 60, the rate of severe illness among the unvaccinated stood at 1.4 cases per 100,000 people – 2.8 times more than the 0.5 per 100,000 among those who received two doses of the vaccine.
由于cdc不靠谱和breakthrough 越来越多，确实对疫苗有效性有一定怀疑，也不相信美国的数据。政府对疫苗强推程度已经掩盖一些客观问题了。个人对半年打三针也有些排斥，觉得不管是什么疫苗，半年三针太多了。隔壁说以色列最近重症打疫苗的多，我就去查了下，结果发现不一样的结果。 我现在对以色列数据比较相信， 但是众说纷纭的，也是迷惑了。 不管哪个政府，如果为了强推一件事而去压制任何副作用，不同声音，那么诚信就下降了。 那位说以色列打疫苗重症更多的，请指出英文来源？个人是很关心这个的，如果打了疫苗重症更多，那不是被坑惨了？！ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/the-israeli-graphs-that-prove-covid-vaccines-are-working-1.10101640 As of August 8, the ministry recorded 85.6 severe COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people among the unvaccinated over the age of 60, compared to 16.3 per 100,000 people among the fully vaccinated. This makes the unvaccinated elderly more than five times as likely to experience a severe case than their immunized counterparts. For those under the age of 60, the rate of severe illness among the unvaccinated stood at 1.4 cases per 100,000 people – 2.8 times more than the 0.5 per 100,000 among those who received two doses of the vaccine.
那位说以色列打疫苗重症更多的，请指出英文来源？个人是很关心这个的，如果打了疫苗重症更多，那不是被坑惨了？！
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/the-israeli-graphs-that-prove-covid-vaccines-are-working-1.10101640
As of August 8, the ministry recorded 85.6 severe COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people among the unvaccinated over the age of 60, compared to 16.3 per 100,000 people among the fully vaccinated. This makes the unvaccinated elderly more than five times as likely to experience a severe case than their immunized counterparts. For those under the age of 60, the rate of severe illness among the unvaccinated stood at 1.4 cases per 100,000 people – 2.8 times more than the 0.5 per 100,000 among those who received two doses of the vaccine.
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-may-be-superior-pfizer-against-delta-breakthrough-odds-rise-with-time-2021-08-09/
哇，这个好，我喜欢～～
你打的Moderna?
moderna剂量比辉瑞大，正好delta也是靠病毒载量取胜，估计就是这么来的优势。
这显得比美国的99.9%重症都是没打疫苗的靠谱，美国的CDC简直可耻.
7月11号到8月7号的数据，应该大部分是delta的啦
我也这么觉得
说实话我不信，我对美国的数据文章已经开始怀疑，对以色列可以。没有那么多疫苗利益关系
随你啦，相比于以色列的数据，反正我更相信美国的数据，因为更透明。而且美国最关键的是许多企业机构的利益都不是一致的，所以更具有可信性。
打了M家的心中窃喜
我怎么看到反疫苗的和提土工长期辩护， 反Trump的有很大重合呢 是不是有什么组织行动
CDC实在应该做个时间轴的图，把breakthrough infection case #, hospitalization, death, long covid等等都列上去，才好一目了然delta 的影响力。有年龄的breakdown更好。这么简单的表对不起纳税人给的钱💰
我打的是Pfizer，没能打上最好的。
同问，有其他年龄组的数据吗？
从总体病例来看，打了疫苗的重症多，但是重症主要是老年人，所以老年人要小心