Age? medical condition ? Covid is really aiming to senior and pre-medical condition persons; vaccine will not protect immunocompromised ones csliz 发表于 2021-08-08 16:11
Age? medical condition ? Covid is really aiming to senior and pre-medical condition persons; vaccine will not protect immunocompromised ones csliz 发表于 2021-08-08 16:11
Age? medical condition ? Covid is really aiming to senior and pre-medical condition persons; vaccine will not protect immunocompromised ones csliz 发表于 2021-08-08 16:11
新加坡的数据来了。67%两针接种，78%至少一针。重症率9.4%两针，37.6%至少一针。这数据比上个月差很多。形势不太乐观。如果随着时间推移，有可能疫苗的保护率会越来越低。 Over the last 28 days, 85 local cases required oxygen supplementation, were admitted to the ICU, or died. Of them, 53 are unvaccinated, 24 are partially vaccinated and eight are fully vaccinated. As of Thursday, about 7.9 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been administered under the national vaccination programme. Some 4.34 million have received at least one dose of the vaccine, with some 3.68 million having completed the full vaccination regimen. This means that 67 per cent of the population have completed their full regimen, or received two doses of COVID-19 vaccines under the national vaccination programme, and 78 per cent have received at least one dose. https://news.yahoo.com/97-new-covid-cases-in-singapore-including-29-unlinked-120204583.html
新加坡的数据来了。67%两针接种，78%至少一针。重症率9.4%两针，37.6%至少一针。这数据比上个月差很多。形势不太乐观。如果随着时间推移，有可能疫苗的保护率会越来越低。 Over the last 28 days, 85 local cases required oxygen supplementation, were admitted to the ICU, or died. Of them, 53 are unvaccinated, 24 are partially vaccinated and eight are fully vaccinated. As of Thursday, about 7.9 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been administered under the national vaccination programme. Some 4.34 million have received at least one dose of the vaccine, with some 3.68 million having completed the full vaccination regimen. This means that 67 per cent of the population have completed their full regimen, or received two doses of COVID-19 vaccines under the national vaccination programme, and 78 per cent have received at least one dose. https://news.yahoo.com/97-new-covid-cases-in-singapore-including-29-unlinked-120204583.html
SSBN826 发表于 2021-08-08 20:31
点进去看来才知道把一针的放到打疫苗人群里了。 这是最新的数据。更新的还有几个小时推送。我们疫苗进展良好。遗憾的认为，社交活动过两个月应该可以恢复，但是我希望口罩令要解除还需要时间。小小的不便对人对己都有利。 [Sent by Gov.sg – 8 Aug] As of 7 Aug 12pm, there are 42 persons infected with COVID-19 who are seriously ill. 38 require oxygen supplementation and 4 are in ICU. 37 are unvaccinated or partially vaccinated, 5 have completed the full vaccination regimen*. One person, unvaccinated, passed away yesterday from complications due to COVID-19 infection. As of 7 Aug 12pm, there are 75 new locally transmitted and 6 new imported cases of COVID-19 infection. 3,744,802 (68%) of our total population have completed the full regimen*. _*Received both doses or 1 dose for recovered individuals_
以色列在飞速打第三针 One-third of Israel’s seniors — about 420,000 of those age 60 and older — have received a coronavirus booster shot, Prime Minister Naftali Bennett said Sunday, adding that the figure could reach 500,000 by the end of the day. 今天已经600,000了
Covid is really aiming to senior and pre-medical condition persons; vaccine will not protect immunocompromised ones
我算的是死亡率，老人也是人，就算全部是老弱病残，也是人道主义的悲剧啊
you are right, but reality is reality,
淡化疫情严重性吧
整天说新冠流感化的就是脑子不太够用
某些人故意的。 老弱病残何错之有，人间悲凉如斯。
如果觉得病毒不可怕(我就这么看), 那就打疫苗然后躺平，毕竟2017-18流感季，美国几个月时间80多万人住院死6万多，平均每天死大几百人呢，比现在新冠每天死人还多，日子不过了？
如果觉得可怕，吓死了，那就应该希望没有政治势力阻挠病毒溯源，搞清楚这玩意怎么来的是造福人类的事。
再不行，觉得在美国挖个地窖把自己藏在里面一辈子不现实，也可以回中国嘛，吃喝玩乐爽爆了，哈哈，你说美国还有啥这么割舍不下的？ 就算我这种这么看不惯中国的人，你要让我wfh一两年不出门跟活人交流，孩子每天在身边上网课缠着大人闹，这样的生活还有啥意义？ 我都要考虑回中国了，即便被骂万里投毒。
啥时候疫情结束啊 要是有种超级神药能灭所以有的病毒就好了
我也想啊，我都已经一年多没有旅行了
感觉那个啥kfk是对的
现在以色列医院里的severe cases有85-95%是打了两针疫苗。对于打了疫苗的人，这绝对也不是大号流感。
一张嘴两张皮随你瞎说。一开始疫苗防传染，后来变防重症,现在变不防免疫力差的人群死亡。 不打疫苗免疫力强的也不会死啊。死的都是需要保护的弱势群体。这疫苗到底能干什么？
能提供一下数据来源吗？
现在的疫苗还是针对以前的原始株设计的，病毒变异了造成现在效果差了很正常。 当时开打疫苗的时候我就担心这边组织动员能力不够，疫苗打得不够快，跑不赢病毒，果然... 理想情况是：全世界同时开打针对现行主流毒株的疫苗，并且要在一个时间段内覆盖足够形成群体免疫的人群。这样才能一步到位控制和结束大流行。但是现实很骨感，疫苗施打速度本来就慢，还有一大堆反疫苗的人。 不过以德尔塔的传染力，可能在人类付出相当代价后能够快速达到群体免疫。唉！各位自求多福吧
昨天有个帖子的，被转到时政版了，你可以去看一下
不管有没有基础病是不是老人 如果没有这个病毒不会死亡 不知道那些非要揪着说是有基础病的才容易死是什么居心
流感化不是说它的危害跟流感差不多，而是流行程度。 新冠确实比流感严重得多，但是看目前的态势，是收不住了，一定要长期持续地全球范围大流行。 流行到那个份上了，说实话，对于人类来说，就是自然选择。。。
这里有个采访。是接受采访的医院院长说的。
是的
你不用这样愤恨，反正你也不打疫苗，管疫苗有用没用？
一个医院院长说的就可以称权威嘛？而且关闭评论，我还听说湾区Kaiser 医生说他们医院住院的都是没打防疫针的，但是一个医院的数据能说明问题吗？
比流感严重得多，流行率又和流感差不多，那不是应该是很可怕的吗？这群人整天跑这里轻描淡写忽悠谁呢？轻描淡写病毒就可以没有了是吗？
我只是提供一个视频。视频里的院长提供了他们医院的情况。你不需要由这一信息导出任何普适性“问题”。你完全可以坚持“打了疫苗就是个大流感”的观点。
我这里也有一手资料，医院重症的绝大部分都是没打疫苗的
我只是对于以色列95%重症是打疫苗的这个信息来源的质疑
这个视频还提供了另一点信息：这些病人大部分是老年人。在以色列老年人是第一批接受接种的。他们现在占据severe cases的主流可能是因为他们原本免疫力就低，也可能是辉瑞的有效性随着时间推移而衰减严重。你的医院可能还没有接触到因为疫苗有效性下降而重症的病人。
mRNA对delta的功效，可能参考英国，加拿大，更有借鉴意义。
都是感染delta吗？
又是以色列的数据。上个月的新闻还是只占一半，这个月就变成95%了？！以色列接种 率也就70%。。。这还真不如不打疫苗！
Top Israeli Doctor Says: VACCINATED MAKE UP 95% OF ALL SEVERE COVID HOSPITALIZATIONS
"Effectiveness of the vaccine is really fading" https://mobile.twitter.com/jcconradson/status/1424035882454065155
Over the last 28 days, 85 local cases required oxygen supplementation, were admitted to the ICU, or died. Of them, 53 are unvaccinated, 24 are partially vaccinated and eight are fully vaccinated. As of Thursday, about 7.9 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been administered under the national vaccination programme. Some 4.34 million have received at least one dose of the vaccine, with some 3.68 million having completed the full vaccination regimen. This means that 67 per cent of the population have completed their full regimen, or received two doses of COVID-19 vaccines under the national vaccination programme, and 78 per cent have received at least one dose. https://news.yahoo.com/97-new-covid-cases-in-singapore-including-29-unlinked-120204583.html
你当然也可以提供你的一手资料。如果能有可以证实的自己身份（譬如也以医务工作人员的身份接受采访的时候说，譬如有信誉度的twitter, fb个人账号），说出来，也是有可信性的。
但是这个和以色列医生提供数据又不矛盾。
你是你的数据点，以色列是以色列的数据点。
你不能以你的数据点来反驳另外一个数据点吧。
带风向的人要注意逻辑自洽
点进去看来才知道把一针的放到打疫苗人群里了。 这是最新的数据。更新的还有几个小时推送。我们疫苗进展良好。遗憾的认为，社交活动过两个月应该可以恢复，但是我希望口罩令要解除还需要时间。小小的不便对人对己都有利。
[Sent by Gov.sg – 8 Aug]
As of 7 Aug 12pm, there are 42 persons infected with COVID-19 who are seriously ill. 38 require oxygen supplementation and 4 are in ICU. 37 are unvaccinated or partially vaccinated, 5 have completed the full vaccination regimen*. One person, unvaccinated, passed away yesterday from complications due to COVID-19 infection.
As of 7 Aug 12pm, there are 75 new locally transmitted and 6 new imported cases of COVID-19 infection.
3,744,802 (68%) of our total population have completed the full regimen*.
_*Received both doses or 1 dose for recovered individuals_
所以打一针的基本上和没打的差不多。
当然这个没有考虑年龄差别，但至少和拜登或CDC号称的99.5%的重症是未打疫苗的是完全相反的。
是川普的美国政府要保经济而最先误导选民说是大号流感。结果惨死了60万无辜百姓。结果还是有人对川普愚忠感恩戴德，保留了这个说法。试图为川普洗地。
不能说疫苗无效吧，应该是前期打得接近失效了，需要加强针。
MAGA!
所以到底啥后遗症你倒是说清楚啊
隔壁就有个关于儿童后遗症的帖子 https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2716496&fid=398
August 9 (GMT) Updates 5,923 new cases and 17 new deaths in Israel [source] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/
One-third of Israel’s seniors — about 420,000 of those age 60 and older — have received a coronavirus booster shot, Prime Minister Naftali Bennett said Sunday, adding that the figure could reach 500,000 by the end of the day.
今天已经600,000了