American women have shined at the 2018 Winter Olympics, becoming the driving force behind the U.S. Olympic team’s wins in PyeongChang, South Korea. Of the 21 medals Team USA has won thus far at the Winter Olympics, 12 of them belong to women — not including the two medals won by duos and teams of men and women. Women have won five of the eight gold medals won by the U.S., including a victory for the U.S. women’s hockey team on Thursday. [url]https://time.com/5172622/winter-olympics-american-women-medals/[/url]
Comcast's NBC closes gap in coverage of male, female Olympic athletes
Comcast’s NBCUniversal is closing the gender gap — at least when it comes to airtime for male and female athletes during its biennial Olympics coverage. , an associate professor and graduate studies director in the University of Delaware’s communications department, and co-author from the University of Alabama, studied all 62.5 hours of primetime coverage over 18 nights of the 2018 Pyeongchang Winter Games. The duo kept track of how much time was devoted to each sport and how often broadcasters talked about athletes. In a new report, they found that for the first time in 2018, coverage of female athletes during a winter Olympics exceeded that of male athletes for the first time, with 52.2% of airtime showing womens' competitions. Women also won the same percentage of medals during those winter games, 52.2%, they found, which speaks to the pattern they’ve noticed across Olympic games: The more U.S. women win, the more airtime and coverage they receive. “I think NBC is finally realizing it’s not just men they need to be covering, they need to follow the best stories and a lot of them in the last few Olympics have been the female athletes,” he said, citing skiing star and snowboarder , who became the youngest woman to win a gold medal for snowboarding during the 2018 Olympics. Angelini’s been studying NBC’s Olympic coverage for the past 15 years. During that time NBC, acquired by Philadelphia-based Comcast (NASDAQ: CMCSA) in 2011, has held exclusive U.S. airing rights for the Olympic Games. "“Our primary responsibility is to tell the best stories of the Games, regardless of gender. However, we take great pride in knowing that no one devotes more broadcast network primetime coverage to women’s sports than NBC," an NBC Olympics spokesperson said in a statement. The NBC coverage provides a rare window into assessing how American male and female Olympians have been presented in the media over the past two decades since NBC’s total control over the coverage. Angelini and Billings’ paper assessed data on NBC’s Olympic broadcasts going back to the 2000 Summer Games in Sydney, when the majority of airtime focused on male athletes. The winter games appear to have a larger gap in coverage, but the games have also seen a larger gap between female and male medal winners. During the 2002 Winter Olympic Games in Salt Lake City, men’s coverage dominated by nearly a 2:1 ratio. At the same time, male athletes won 67.6% of all medals during those games. That gap for winter games closed in 2014, when coverage of men's and women's sports was dead equal. Women slightly surpassed men in air time in 2018. The summer Olympic games always had a smaller gap, with men seeing about 5% more airtime. But coverage of female athletes began to surpass that of male athletes during the 2012 Summer Olympic Games in London, when women won 56.3% of the U.S. medals and saw similar levels of airtime. Angelini said that he’s looking forward to seeing how the trends continue during the 2020 Summer Games in Tokyo next year, especially after U.S. gymnast Simone Biles won her sixth all-around title at the U.S. Gymnastics Championships this week by becoming the first female gymnast to land a triple-double during a floor competition. “She is the greatest gymnast of all time,” Angelini said, adding that closing the gap between coverage of male and female athletes — which other analyses show remains extremely high for non-Olympic sporting events — is about recognizing their athletic skills on the same plane. “They aren’t just good female athletes, they’re good athletes,” he said. “I’m curious to see if NBC will continue this trend. Will this become normalized?”
U.S. Women Are The Biggest Winners At The Rio Olympics
No one is flying home from Rio with more medals than the U.S. women. The full American squad — both men and women — won the most medals overall, 121, as has often been the case in the Summer Games. But first in London four years ago, and again in Rio, the U.S. women have captured most of those medals. The U.S. women took 61, the men had 55, and there were five in mixed events, including equestrian and mixed-doubles tennis. How good were the American women? They won 27 of the 46 American golds. If the U.S. were divided into two countries, one male and the other female, those 27 golds for the women would tie them with Britain for most of any country, put them one ahead of China, and far ahead of the American men and everyone else. This trend became clear in London, where American women won 58 medals of all colors, compared with 45 for U.S. men, the first time the women outpaced their male counterparts. As we noted before the Rio games, American women were not always such a powerhouse. At the 1972 Olympics in Munich, American women won 23 medals compared with 71 for the U.S. men. The women didn't win a single medal in gymnastics and had no golds in track and field. But that same year, the U.S. Congress passed Title IX, barring sex discrimination in education programs that receive federal funding. This has helped revolutionize women's sports at both the high school and college levels.
American women are now dominant in many sports, including gymnastics, swimming, basketball, rowing, water polo and soccer. Americans took gold in all of those sports, except soccer, where they were upset by Sweden. The U.S. had the largest overall team in Rio with 554 members, and the women (291) outnumbered the men (263) for the second straight Olympiad. A range of factors Other factors have helped American women at the Olympics over the past few decades. Additional sports for women are added with regularity, including rugby in Rio. Top U.S. gymnasts emerge from the countless private gyms around the country, not through schools. And the former juggernauts from Eastern Europe, like the Soviet Union and East Germany, either don't exist or aren't what they used to be during their Communist eras. Still, American athletes in Rio turned in extraordinary performances by any measure. Consider: Simone Biles won four golds and a bronze, making her the most decorated U.S. gymnast ever in a single Olympics. Sprinter Allyson Felix took two golds in relays and a silver in the 400 meters. That boosted her to six career golds, the most in track by any woman from any country, and nine medals overall in her four Olympics. Katie Ledecky hauled in four golds and a silver as she smashed the world record in the 400-meter and 800-meter freestyles along the way. At just 19, she could be even better in Tokyo in 2020. A few other notes on the final medal table: China, which has surged as an Olympic force since it first competed in the 1984 Summer Games, has been dropping off. The country went from a peak of 100 medals in Beijing in 2008 to 88 in London to 70 in Rio. Nearly a third of the Russian team was barred from Rio due to a doping scandal, and that's reflected in the medal count. Russians won 77 medals in London and just 56 in Rio. New Zealand and Jamaica were once again the biggest overachievers. New Zealand, home to just 4 million, won 18 medals, up from 13 in London, and in a range of sports that included rowing, sailing, cycling, canoeing, rugby, golf and track and field. Jamaica, with fewer than 3 million people, relied on its blazing sprinters to win 11 medals, just one short of its tally in London. The host country usually gets a significant medal boost, but Brazil received a relatively modest one, going from 17 medals in London to 19 in Rio. But it was the country's best showing ever. And Brazil did win its first Olympic gold in soccer on a penalty kick by Neymar. There's no way you can measure that in numbers.
女生没那么大差别
中国的女子足球拿过世界亚军,中国男子足球压根不能出线亚洲。
中国的体育的奥运金牌90%都是女子拿的。
中国的奥运金牌超过一半是靠女性,中国女性很伟大,不仅仅是半边天。
所以这个锅又扔给Y染色体了?😂
原因非常简单,非举国体制下,女子体育项目的投入力度比男子要薄弱,比如女子举重,在其它国家的支持力度,广告收益都很差。中国的举国体制寻找薄弱环节以夺取金牌,所以女子项目就厉害了。这个也适用于一些小国家,它们为了夺取奖牌,用了非市场机制的手段来促进支持奖励。
American women have shined at the 2018 Winter Olympics, becoming the driving force behind the U.S. Olympic team’s wins in PyeongChang, South Korea. Of the 21 medals Team USA has won thus far at the Winter Olympics, 12 of them belong to women — not including the two medals won by duos and teams of men and women. Women have won five of the eight gold medals won by the U.S., including a victory for the U.S. women’s hockey team on Thursday.
[url]https://time.com/5172622/winter-olympics-american-women-medals/[/url]
你这不睁眼说瞎话吗? 怎么可能全是女子项目?
Comcast’s NBCUniversal is closing the gender gap — at least when it comes to airtime for male and female athletes during its biennial Olympics coverage.
, an associate professor and graduate studies director in the University of Delaware’s communications department, and co-author from the University of Alabama, studied all 62.5 hours of primetime coverage over 18 nights of the 2018 Pyeongchang Winter Games. The duo kept track of how much time was devoted to each sport and how often broadcasters talked about athletes.
In a new report, they found that for the first time in 2018, coverage of female athletes during a winter Olympics exceeded that of male athletes for the first time, with 52.2% of airtime showing womens' competitions.
Women also won the same percentage of medals during those winter games, 52.2%, they found, which speaks to the pattern they’ve noticed across Olympic games: The more U.S. women win, the more airtime and coverage they receive.
“I think NBC is finally realizing it’s not just men they need to be covering, they need to follow the best stories and a lot of them in the last few Olympics have been the female athletes,” he said, citing skiing star and snowboarder , who became the youngest woman to win a gold medal for snowboarding during the 2018 Olympics.
Angelini’s been studying NBC’s Olympic coverage for the past 15 years. During that time NBC, acquired by Philadelphia-based Comcast (NASDAQ: CMCSA) in 2011, has held exclusive U.S. airing rights for the Olympic Games.
"“Our primary responsibility is to tell the best stories of the Games, regardless of gender. However, we take great pride in knowing that no one devotes more broadcast network primetime coverage to women’s sports than NBC," an NBC Olympics spokesperson said in a statement. The NBC coverage provides a rare window into assessing how American male and female Olympians have been presented in the media over the past two decades since NBC’s total control over the coverage.
Angelini and Billings’ paper assessed data on NBC’s Olympic broadcasts going back to the 2000 Summer Games in Sydney, when the majority of airtime focused on male athletes.
The winter games appear to have a larger gap in coverage, but the games have also seen a larger gap between female and male medal winners. During the 2002 Winter Olympic Games in Salt Lake City, men’s coverage dominated by nearly a 2:1 ratio. At the same time, male athletes won 67.6% of all medals during those games.
That gap for winter games closed in 2014, when coverage of men's and women's sports was dead equal. Women slightly surpassed men in air time in 2018.
The summer Olympic games always had a smaller gap, with men seeing about 5% more airtime. But coverage of female athletes began to surpass that of male athletes during the 2012 Summer Olympic Games in London, when women won 56.3% of the U.S. medals and saw similar levels of airtime.
Angelini said that he’s looking forward to seeing how the trends continue during the 2020 Summer Games in Tokyo next year, especially after U.S. gymnast Simone Biles won her sixth all-around title at the U.S. Gymnastics Championships this week by becoming the first female gymnast to land a triple-double during a floor competition. “She is the greatest gymnast of all time,” Angelini said, adding that closing the gap between coverage of male and female athletes — which other analyses show remains extremely high for non-Olympic sporting events — is about recognizing their athletic skills on the same plane. “They aren’t just good female athletes, they’re good athletes,” he said. “I’m curious to see if NBC will continue this trend. Will this become normalized?”
[url]https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/news/2019/08/14/comcasts-nbc-closes-gap-in-coverage-of-male-female.html[/url]
少吃点豆腐,多吃点肉奶类。
No one is flying home from Rio with more medals than the U.S. women.
The full American squad — both men and women — won the most medals overall, 121, as has often been the case in the Summer Games. But first in London four years ago, and again in Rio, the U.S. women have captured most of those medals.
The U.S. women took 61, the men had 55, and there were five in mixed events, including equestrian and mixed-doubles tennis.
How good were the American women?
They won 27 of the 46 American golds. If the U.S. were divided into two countries, one male and the other female, those 27 golds for the women would tie them with Britain for most of any country, put them one ahead of China, and far ahead of the American men and everyone else.
This trend became clear in London, where American women won 58 medals of all colors, compared with 45 for U.S. men, the first time the women outpaced their male counterparts.
As we noted before the Rio games, American women were not always such a powerhouse.
At the 1972 Olympics in Munich, American women won 23 medals compared with 71 for the U.S. men. The women didn't win a single medal in gymnastics and had no golds in track and field.
But that same year, the U.S. Congress passed Title IX, barring sex discrimination in education programs that receive federal funding. This has helped revolutionize women's sports at both the high school and college levels.
American women are now dominant in many sports, including gymnastics, swimming, basketball, rowing, water polo and soccer. Americans took gold in all of those sports, except soccer, where they were upset by Sweden.
The U.S. had the largest overall team in Rio with 554 members, and the women (291) outnumbered the men (263) for the second straight Olympiad.
A range of factors
Other factors have helped American women at the Olympics over the past few decades.
Additional sports for women are added with regularity, including rugby in Rio. Top U.S. gymnasts emerge from the countless private gyms around the country, not through schools. And the former juggernauts from Eastern Europe, like the Soviet Union and East Germany, either don't exist or aren't what they used to be during their Communist eras.
Still, American athletes in Rio turned in extraordinary performances by any measure. Consider:
Simone Biles won four golds and a bronze, making her the most decorated U.S. gymnast ever in a single Olympics.
Sprinter Allyson Felix took two golds in relays and a silver in the 400 meters. That boosted her to six career golds, the most in track by any woman from any country, and nine medals overall in her four Olympics.
Katie Ledecky hauled in four golds and a silver as she smashed the world record in the 400-meter and 800-meter freestyles along the way. At just 19, she could be even better in Tokyo in 2020.
A few other notes on the final medal table:
China, which has surged as an Olympic force since it first competed in the 1984 Summer Games, has been dropping off. The country went from a peak of 100 medals in Beijing in 2008 to 88 in London to 70 in Rio.
Nearly a third of the Russian team was barred from Rio due to a doping scandal, and that's reflected in the medal count. Russians won 77 medals in London and just 56 in Rio.
New Zealand and Jamaica were once again the biggest overachievers. New Zealand, home to just 4 million, won 18 medals, up from 13 in London, and in a range of sports that included rowing, sailing, cycling, canoeing, rugby, golf and track and field. Jamaica, with fewer than 3 million people, relied on its blazing sprinters to win 11 medals, just one short of its tally in London.
The host country usually gets a significant medal boost, but Brazil received a relatively modest one, going from 17 medals in London to 19 in Rio. But it was the country's best showing ever. And Brazil did win its first Olympic gold in soccer on a penalty kick by Neymar. There's no way you can measure that in numbers.
[url]https://www.npr.org/sections/thetorch/2016/08/21/490818961/u-s-women-are-the-biggest-winners-in-rio-olympics[/url]
男子举重也挺厉害的,举了个完全没代表性的例子
东京奥运会开幕式将在今天举办,但前天下午,就已经有奥运比赛开打了,中国女足率先登场,却以0比5输给了巴西队。
虽然结果不好,但已经比男足要强了——男足都没能进军奥运会。原先,网友们经常拿女足成绩来鄙视男足,如果以本届奥运会成绩为评价标准的话,鄙视的范围要扩大很多了。
篮球、排球、棒球、七人制橄榄球、手球、曲棍球、水球等7个集体球类项目,中国女子代表队全部成功进军东京,男子代表队则全军覆没。在所有有中国队参与的项目中,仅有女运动员参加的项目多达15个。
奥运代表团女多男少,并不是中国独有的现象。美国、俄罗斯、英国等传统奥运强国也是如此。问题是,中国的情况确实过于严重了。
本届奥运会,中国代表团共派出运动员432人,其中女运动员298人,占比高达68.9%,人数是男运动员的两倍多。
而且,最近三届比赛,我国奥运代表团的男女比例越发失衡。
2012年伦敦奥运会,男171人,女225人,女运动员占比56.8%。
2016年里约奥运会,男160人,女298人,女运动员占比65.1%。
然后,就是今年的68.9%。
谁说女子不如男?但我们在为女运动员们取得好成绩喝彩的时候,也应该理性思考一下,为什么会出现这种强烈的失衡。
女多男少,原因何在?
中国奥运军团“女强男弱”的根源,要追溯到1988年。
在那一年的汉城奥运会上,中国代表团只获得了5枚金牌,与前一届洛杉矶奥运会的15枚金牌形成了强烈反差,举国失望。
1984年和1988年奥运会中国代表团获奖情况
主管体育的国家体委官员们非常冷静,他们在汉城奥运会之前就撰写了一份报告,预测中国代表团能夺得6—8枚金牌——这就是当时中国体育的真实水平。前一届奥运会之所以能得15枚金牌,是因为很多东欧体育强国,出于政治原因抵制了在美国举办的奥运会,才让中国在很多项目上有了夺金机会。
但老百姓对成绩下滑的看法非常简单:派出去的运动员没本事、没尽力,给国家丢脸了。李宁回国时避开人群灰溜溜地离去,却还是被机场工作人员揶揄:“在哪儿摔不好,跑那儿摔去?”
面对激烈的民众情绪,国家体委认识到:虽然中国有很多人不喜欢运动,连运动的规则都不清楚,可到了比赛那天,大家都会问谁赢了——金牌,让人感觉面上有光。
1995年,国家体委正式发布了一份旨在推进中国竞技体育成绩的行动性纲要,即《奥运争光计划》。
纲要中明确指出了,我国需要在接下来的奥运会、亚运会等国际大赛上取得成绩,任务十分艰巨,需要培养一批专业的运动员,给予全方位的保障。而国家和社会投入奥运项目的经费却是有限的,因此必须要“让重点项目得到保证,资源配置更加合理”。
哪些项目是重点呢?
国家体委在纲要里也写清楚了,后来有人总结,答案就五个字:“小、巧、难、女、少”,即小球项目、技巧性项目、难度大的项目、女子项目和比赛人数少的项目。这类项目要么是黄种人有禀赋优势,要么是国际竞争还不激烈,要么是培养一两个顶级选手就能出成绩。
相较于男子项目,大多数女子体育项目在世界范围内的发展时间更短。有能力、有意愿投入女子项目的国家并不算多,竞争相对没那么激烈。当中国举全国之力培养一批优秀运动员出来,就有相当高的概率摘金夺银。
这个战略,其实是老祖宗的智慧:田忌赛马。用众多的小众项目的金牌,去弥补大众项目金牌的缺失。体育项目的观赏性、关注度虽有高低之分,但体现的竞技精神却是一样的,金牌自然也是相等的。
奥运争光,一体两面
从奥运成绩来看,《奥运争光计划》执行得非常到位。中国在奥运金牌榜上稳步前进,女子项目更是成为中国代表团夺金摘牌的主力,金牌数连续7届超过男子项目。
但从全民体育发展状况上看,这个计划则有相当大的弊端:“小、巧、难、女、少”的反面——大球项目、力量型项目、难度低的项目、男子项目、比赛人数多的项目,这20多年来发展得非常不如人意。
稍微想一下,你就会发现这五个标准,男子足球符合四个……
本届奥运会,我国男子团体球类运动几乎全军覆没,和《奥运争光计划》的这一战略脱不开关系。足篮排三大球类运动多年来的成绩滑坡,也与这一战略脱不开关系。
20多年来,别的国家在大力发展这些项目,我们虽也有进步,但速度不及别人。呈现出来的结果,就是我们与国际先进水平的差距越拉越大。
比如,中国女足从1986年开始,连续7届夺得亚洲杯冠军,还获得过世界杯的亚军和奥运会的银牌。那个时代,我们就是世界女子足球的先进水平。
1999年世界杯,中国女足5比0挪威女足
但在新世纪后,女足成绩开始滑坡:
2004年奥运会,中国女足0比8惨败于德国;
2011年,中国女足未获世界杯资格,2012年又未获奥运会资格;
2021年的奥运会首战,5球完败于巴西队,暴露出与世界女子足球先进水平的巨大差距。
2021年奥运会,中国女足0比5巴西女足
类似的滑落轨迹,也许还即将在中国男篮身上上演:同样也曾是连续多年的亚洲霸主,今年也开始无缘奥运会了。
2019年男篮兵败世界杯,失去直通奥运的资格时,篮协主席姚明接受采访,直接讲明了情况:“这一次算是我们又一次睁眼看世界吧,世界的水平与我们(拉得)真是越来越大了。”
热爱金牌?热爱体育!
本届奥运会在疫情笼罩之下艰难开办,奥委会为此给“更高、更快、更强”的口号后又加入了一句“更团结”。
其实,中国人对奥运会“团结”作用的感受,远比世界各国来得早,来得深刻。
作家张石山在1988年汉城兵败后,写了一篇文章《我们有权参与》,道出了广大民众的心声:炎黄子孙谁个不渴盼民族的振兴?哪怕仅仅是在全民输血重点保障的体育战线上大获全胜?
那时的中国国力还不够强盛,经济腾飞才刚刚开始,为了提升国民的自信心和自豪感,我们需要金牌,需要胜利。《奥运争光计划》就是在这种背景下诞生的,它成功了,发挥了巨大的作用。
但我们也应该明白,这种主攻小众项目的偏科策略,是一种权宜之计,万不可当成锦囊妙计。一国体育的强盛与否,金牌只是面子,关键是底子。
问题来了,怎么搞好底子?
有人会说,以前我们经济条件有限才重点发展那些小众项目,现在我们已经是世界第二经济体了,把那些小众项目的经验搬到大众项目上来不就行了?
事实上,我们已经尝试过了。
2014年,集国乒功勋球员、功勋教练、功勋主席三种身份于一身的蔡振华,履新中国足协主席。这一人事安排,目的显而易见,就是要把“国球”的经验教给国足。
蔡振华代表中国足协发言
只可惜,两个项目的市场规模不是一个级别,需要投入的资金量也不是一个级别。
中国乒乓球的强大,是因为有一整套青训系统和教练团队,从业余体校到职业体校到省队再到国家队,每一层都有足够多的人才储备。这个体系可以靠国家财政就供养得起,但是像足球、篮球这类全世界都在激烈竞争的项目,不可能单单指望国家财政。
出路何在?
篮协主席姚明在那次采访中给出了答案。
“我们必须去努力地爬,从职业联赛到培训,再到青少年的体教结合。我们有坚定的决心走下去。我不会停止改革,我们不能半途而废,必须更为坚定地走下去。我们已经知道了世界的格局,必须向着世界先进的水平去看齐。”
2019年男篮世界杯,姚明安慰易建联
推动体育商业化,发展职业联赛,借助市场的力量,来加强青少年的体育教育,对产业人员进行培训,是世界先进水平的格局,也是我们的出路。
从不好的方面来看,我们的体育产业还非常不成熟。
在很多项目上,如果一个人走运动员这条路走不出来,就很难再找到养活自己的工作。虽然对于国家来说,只是千万分之一的损失,但对个人来说,却是百分之百的失败。没有家长愿意让孩子走这样艰险的道路,市场规模、运动员选材规模也就无从谈起。
确实如姚主席所说,需要“努力地爬”。
从好的方面来看,今天从事体育事业要面对的舆论环境,已经比当年李宁所面对的,要好太多。
比如傅园慧,只是因为“拼尽洪荒之力”的努力和乐观,便深受人们的喜爱;再比如刘翔,当年受到许多谩骂,如今很多人留言说欠他一个道歉。
2010年,经历奥运退赛风波后的刘翔重回巅峰
究其原因,是中国强盛了,我们的自信心和自豪感已经不太需要用金牌来体现了。多数人都已明白:体育本该是快乐的事情,努力最重要,成绩排第二。
当所有人都明白这个道理,并能积极投入到体育运动中时,我们也就真正能够成为一个体育强国了。
文章来源:吴晓波频道 作者:林克
[url]https://blog.dwnews.com/post-1445792.html[/url]
还有两项男子羽毛球?话说这届中国羽毛球到现在为止好像很不错呢。
世界上大部分国家的女子运动发展的都不好,而中国田忌赛马性地发展了女子运动,以争取金牌。
在世界上大部分国家重点发展的男子运动中,中国的各环节一来没有积累,二来也没跟上发展。而这些项目往往是投入巨大的团体项目,团体项目进不了奥运,男子运动员人数一下就下来了。
作者:CNXH 链接:https://www.zhihu.com/question/472194478/answer/2005557909
简单粗暴地说,外国是金钱战略;中国是金牌战略。
体育不分男女。但很多竞技体育就是男子的比女子的精彩。比方足球。男子足球比女子足球好看多了。所以世界上五大联赛,还有不加定语的世界杯,欧洲杯,美洲杯,大家默认都是指男子足球。像梅西。c罗这些超级巨星都是身价过亿(人民币)的。而他们所在的俱乐部都是财大气粗。有这种基础,这些国家的男子足球一般都很厉害。而相比男子足球,女子足球观赏性差得多,也没有人喜欢看,所以各个国家对女足都不上心。世界上基本找不到非常有影响力的女子足球联赛。女足球员的身价于男足球员也是天地之差。
而中国一直认认真真的搞女足。虽然待遇跟男足没法比。但至少足够重视。比方男足要想出线,要和全亚洲几乎所有国家过招;而女足不需要,因为没有几个国家有正儿八经的女足。所以只有我们足够重视,刻苦训练,几乎就能出线。
女排,女篮其实也差不多。三大球好像都不是黄种人擅长的。但是因为女子的不赚钱,所以很多国家不重视,我们重视,所以我们就能出线。
而且男子的人种差别好像格外大,女子要小一些。比方奥运会男子百米飞人大战,几乎没有黄种人和白种人;但女子还是偶尔能见到白种人。中国男子从来没在各种纯跑中拿过金牌(百米栏其实是技术活,不是纯跑),但是女子五千米,一万米都得过金牌,甚至创过记录。
三大球是群体项目。我们女子的都不差。加上其它项目也有类似的。所以我国女子运动员多很正常。
作者:明月婵娟 链接:https://www.zhihu.com/question/472194478/answer/2006004942
因为女子运动相对好拿金牌。
中国运动员是举国体制选的,国外大多数是运动员自己找钱找训练条件的。但不管是举国体制投入还是自己找赞助商赞助都是要看性价比的。
对于商业赞助来说,赞助一个商业价值高的项目的运动员的回报更大。过于冷门的奥运项目,即使赞助的运动员拿了冠军,最后也没有什么商业价值回报。
对于举国体制来说,追求的是金牌荣誉而不是商业回报。所以赞助一个商业价值相对低的项目,可能遇到的竞争相对更少,成功率更高。同样投一个亿给男足和举重,后者获得金牌的概率要大的多。
而男性天生要比女性在体能方面有优势,所以男性运动的商业价值普遍更高一些。最近几年我国的女足的成绩比男足好,但依然不赚钱,需要靠男足输血,原因就是女足联赛看的人太少。其他国家也是一样的,女足世界杯和世界杯的商业价值完全不是一个数量级。
每个人喜欢看的运动不同,也有人喜欢看相对小众的运动,但这么多年以来那些运动的商业价值更大是非常确定的。很多奥运冠军只能在奥运登顶的那段时间接到一些广告代言,很多还是以团体接的。有些运动的运动员,即使成绩一般,依然可以接代言接到手软。
当然,除了商业价值,也综合考虑了像东亚人种擅长那些运动等。目前来看,这种策略是成功的,能获得金牌,而且性价比相对较高。
作者:巨馍蘸酱 链接:https://www.zhihu.com/question/472194478/answer/2024400219
大项目取得成绩,对一个国家各方面都是巨大的好处,我们何尝不想,只是没能力罢了,只能凑牌子数
那些边角料项目就算拿了金牌,意义无限接近于0,对我们国内的青少年,观众啥意义没有。我们男篮就算拿个铜牌,那也是爆炸影响力,振奋人心那种,可惜大项目我们一个都不行
作者:Aubrey 链接:https://www.zhihu.com/question/472194478/answer/2007281096
的确不是啥新闻,NYT文章貌似重点强调的也是举国体制培养运动员,这个对我们从中国出来的人就更不是啥新闻了。
但我看到这个男女的巨大差距对中国男运动员有点“怒其不争”的感觉(我有两个男娃,内心深入可能有点代入感😂)。
国内那个半边天口号,真正的含义是男的能做的女的也要能做,男的不能做的女的也要能做,事情做了,但地位没有。
其实原因并不复杂.
参加奥运会的前提是要拿到参赛资格. 而全世界绝大多数运动项目, 都是男子项目的参与率和竞争力远大于女子项目.
与此同时, 使用举国体制的中国体育系统的一个特点, 就是擅长用 "集中力量办大事" 的方法, 在 (世界范围内的) 冷门项目中取得突破: 用专业打业余.
这里的冷门项目不一定是指在中国冷门, 而是世界上 (相对) 冷门. 比如乒乓球, 在国内绝对不算冷门项目, 而在全球范围内作为一项专业体育项目, 那是绝对的冷门项目.
因为冷门项目在没有举国体制的国家中, 业余运动员们基本上都是在用爱发电. 那这时候举国体制下拿着工资有专门教练员和支持团队的专业运动员对他们, 自然是有相当的优势.
而绝大多数运动, 因为女子项目的观赏性, 竞争力, 市场价值都低于, 甚至大大低于男子项目, 所以女子项目整体水平更低, 竞争力更差, 更加放大了举国体制下的优势.
这也就决定了能通过资格赛取得奥运会门票的中国运动员中, 天然的, 女子运动员更多. 我们历届奥运会的参赛人数都是这样的.
当然这一届差距这么大, 很大因素是男子三大球集体项目全军覆没, 而女子则全部进入决赛圈, 大大放大了男女运动员之间的数字差距.
作者:Anonymous 链接:https://www.zhihu.com/question/472194478/answer/2006367072
以女足举例,球员大名单就有23人,不可能只去队员吧,教练组、领队、队医、营养师、翻译、新闻发言人等等等等,只这一个团队就得几十个人。
女排和女篮都是十二人大名单,其他后勤及教练团队也都不能少,每个项目也都是几十个人的团队,尤其是女排是有夺冠实力的,配备的团队人员只可能更多。
PS:以前听过一个段子,雅典奥运会上阿根廷只拿了两个项目金牌:男足和男篮。但是要论金牌的数量阿根廷可真不少,一共三十多块
作者:霍利斯悖论 链接:https://www.zhihu.com/question/472194478/answer/2006272756
别的国家培养不出那么多高水平女运动员,因为他们没钱。如果别的国家的女运动员肉眼可见的弱,那把钱投在女子项目上来进行“田忌赛马”难道不是上上策吗?
奥运会的计分规则有个bug,就是只将金银铜牌数相加,而不考虑各个项目,奖牌的价值高低。
比如足球,只有男足女足两套奖牌,但是观众人数、门票、赞助与广告总量极大,占到世界体育市场40%以上的市场份额。
比如划船,分成男子女子、单人多人、有舵无舵,奖牌不下十套,但是门票收入与相关产业,市场规模很小,肯定不及足球1/10,或许1/100都不到。
道理很简单,足球金牌只有两块,划船金牌可能有十块,而且拿下足球奖牌、相比划船,投入与难度都要高百倍。
既然只比奖牌数量,最好的方法当然是避重就轻,甩开男子热门项目,把力量投到女子冷门项目上去。
好比有个桔子公司,想做到智能手机销售额世界第一,就要战胜苹果,难度极大,投资万亿、搞上十年都未必成。
换个思路,把手机膜、手机套和挂绳销售额世界第一,那难度小的多,反正世界500强,基本不做,竞争对手都是小厂。
最终在奥运积分榜上,苹果公司、智能手机金牌一枚,桔子公司、手机膜手机套和挂绳金牌三枚,后者完胜!
作者:刘式发电机 链接:https://www.zhihu.com/question/472194478/answer/2004895609
到商业化项目,到集体项目,我们国家的问题就暴露了。这些玩意,你举国体制是无解的,然后美国那种体教结合(这种模式的好处是,你体育练不出来,还是可以读书常规路线)在国内还没形成,传统的体校模式已经瓦解(穷人已经不至于必须要孤注一掷去练体育赌命了),而这些项目,男的就更难出成绩,因为大家都重视,都重金投入,你钱,教练,文化,基层,啥都比人家差。不尴不尬,就现在这样了。
作者:xiangradeon 链接:https://www.zhihu.com/question/472194478/answer/2008126833
男的在冷门项目上有啥超过女子冷门的表现吗?
国内待久了会有错觉,觉得女性和男性一样参加工作是天经地义,体育上女性甚至成绩更好导致阴盛阳衰。事实上并不。
女性运动员多,是平权、经济发达的体现。正因为世界范围内女性参与体育少,才导致几个金牌大户国家都是女性金牌多。因为实在没太多国家能有资源投入到女性项目上。
作者:逻辑 链接:https://www.zhihu.com/question/472194478/answer/2028559537
对资本来说,经济效益比金牌重要不知道多少倍,NBA球员基本上一半人拒绝参加奥运会,就算为国争光也比不上因为打几场比赛的伤病风险从而造成球队的经济损失。
女排五连冠,男排呢?
女篮得过银牌,男篮呢?
作者:凌三 链接:https://www.zhihu.com/question/472194478/answer/2004718430
排球:女排是奥运会冠军,世界最强之一。男排,对不起我都不知道中国还有男排。
足球:女足也是世界强队,多次夺得亚洲杯冠军。男足,大家都懂的。
篮球:女篮世界强队,最好成绩奥运会亚军。男篮,本来是不错的,但是世界杯表现极度拉胯,失去了参加奥运会资格。
不想说阴盛阳衰,只是希望男同胞可以雄起。
男足、男篮都被骂多少年了,没点长进。
但凡有一点女排的精神也不至于此。
团体项目,国家投入确实分男女投入,女子项目投入远小于男子。所以,别提什么国家金牌战略了吧。
女排篮足,请看世界排名和成绩,竞争对手覆盖全球人种发达不发达国家了吧,所以别提什么宗教问题参与国家少,人种体质问题了吧。
中国男运动员的训练强度 远低于 世界男子运动员的强度
中国女运动员的陪练 模拟赛等 都会是男运动员为标准 或对象
人数差两倍还多 可以反应出问题了 不是偶然 或者 项目的环境什么之类的
当今世界上最流行的运动是什么?
田径,游泳,三大球,自行车。而且这些项目中男性项目的普及率远远大于女性。
我们国家为了拿更多的金牌,聪明的运用田忌赛马政策:这些世界流行的运动我们把突破方向放在女子项目上。
男性运动员的突破方向放在冷门项目上,比如:体操,射击,跳水,乒乓球,羽毛球等等。
这样以来,女性运动员肯定会多于男性,你看这次中国队男子三大球项目全军覆没,没有一个运动员去参加奥运会,女性的三大球却是每届奥运会上的常客,而且女排时不时还拿个冠军解解馋!
再看田径,游泳,自行车项目,中国队很少有男队员有参赛资格,既使有的话也是去打下酱油!
女队员在这几个项目上的成绩也不昨的,但参赛的运动员还是有不少。
所以,要改变这种阴盛阳衰的局面,就必须在政策上做出调整,大力发展老百姓喜欢的运动:田径,游泳,三大球,自行车,只有把体育成绩和老百姓的的兴趣挂钩,才会有更多的人叁与进来,运动员的人口基数就会越来越大,分母做大了以后,分子的增长只是时间问题!
试想一下,如果全国的中小学生都会踢足球,我们的男足水平还会这么臭吗?
如果每个小区里的篮球场上都有年轻人在打球的话,我们的男篮还会冲不出亚洲吗?
如果喜欢游泳和跑步的人比现在再翻几倍,我们的运动员还会在奥运会上打酱油吗?
作者:长沙勇哥 链接:https://www.zhihu.com/question/472194478/answer/2019450897
中国的奥运会奖牌数是靠“计划经济”托起来的,或者说“计划体育”,通过这种计划,最简单的方法就如其他答主说过的“田忌赛马”,中国在容易得金牌的领域下成本快速取得金牌,瞄准女子运动,很大原因就是其他国家的女子项目很差,很多欧洲国家女子运动发展起步甚至比我国晚,国外大多数是市场化了,如果没人看,你就没钱拿,女子运动竞争不如男子,所以没经费,女性自然就不当运动员了。更严重的像穆斯林国家压根就没有女子项目,中国女足全世界投入第一,收入第二,一直是亏本状态,靠男足输血,其实根本没多少人看,这种情况只可能发生在“计划经济”的情况下,为的就是“指标”。中国依然是个奥运奖牌拿第一的体育弱国,参加奥运就像去考一次试一样,以拿最多的金牌作为指标。
按普通人的常识来看,明明从小到大的男生会更喜欢运动,中国的男性也比女性更多,但偏偏中国的女运动员比较多,这就很矛盾。另外,中国学生由于高度的升学压力和就业压力,都被压成狗了,一个班里就两个人没戴眼镜,但是奥运会得奖数是全球第一,这也矛盾。这种赔本买卖赚“指标”的行为只可能在“计划体育”里面发生。
这种计划的优点就是,能通过人为的干预,找到其他国家的弱势项目,然后快速的拿到奖牌,虽然那些项目你可能都没听过。
但是缺点就是下沉不到基层,这造成了两种割裂,一种是体育和普通人割裂,比如中国的举重队相当牛逼,在国外中国举重队非常受欢迎,吕小军深蹲(Luxiaojun squat)被人专门剪成视频来观摩,播放量相当恐怖,但是国内却没几个人听说过那些大佬的名字。虽然这几年由于健身文化的发展,一些经常撸铁的人开始关注中国举重队了,不过也是相当少有的,关于中国举重队的视频在各视频网站上播放量星星点点,虽然至少好于没有。
另外体育特长生和文化生也相互割裂,我记得知乎上有个提问:“为什么文化生看不起体育生?”。事实就是这样,文化生觉得体育特长生是差生,体育特长生在运动会上把文化生吊着打,大家相互看不起。这种可悲的割裂来自于“计划体育”和普通人的鸿沟。
作者:pilot 链接:https://www.zhihu.com/question/472194478/answer/2020111137
如果按职业化程度高低和全世界普及程度来给项目积分
比如
100米20分 游泳15分 男足20分 男篮15分 女足5分 女篮3分 跳水1分
这样再算一下中国这么多年的积分排名
合理多了
一个没有体育文化的国家怎么可能有高的体育水平
全国选材集训靠专业打业余 可笑的遮羞布
作者:bigdaobro 链接:https://www.zhihu.com/question/472194478/answer/2006224536
自从苏联解体了之后,世界范文内女性高水平运动员其实呈现一个数量下降的趋势。因为苏联和一票社会主义国家是严格男女平等的,男女运动员有同样的机会,同样的待遇,同样的荣誉。
但是其他国家就不是这样了,大多数运动员主要依靠商业赞助和补贴。而商业赞助明显更倾向于男性运动员,这就导致同样训练水平下,女性运动员的待遇是不如男性运动员的(不是成绩)。
此消彼长,中国女性运动员在其他国家基本是碾压态势,而且这个态势还在加强。反而中国的男性运动员因为难以在国际上拿到名次,选择投入的人越来越少。
作者:机械核心 链接:https://www.zhihu.com/question/472194478/answer/2005837232
中国的举国体制下,当了运动员就等于废了升学,如果出不了头以后人生很艰难。家长舍得女孩 (很多长跑,举重的女运动员来自贫困地区) 舍不得男孩,也是一个因素。 当然发展别国相对薄弱的女子项目也是金牌战略的核心,就像王剑说的,中国的传统智慧不教人如何变强,而教人如何以弱胜强 😂😂
年轻一点的瑜伽、健身各种运动,大妈岁数的是广场舞主力。
中国男人呢,996后累的不想再动,更累的对什么事情都不感兴趣了。
作者:陈咬书 链接:https://www.zhihu.com/question/472194478/answer/2006394441
体育项目市场化有些年月了,男子团队项目如三大球是其中翘楚,但越市场化,这水平就越差,还比不上举国体制时代。篮球足球黄金时代都是从那时代走出来的人引领的。
是不是被金钱侵蚀了斗志呢?相反的,女子体育项目清贫大家也都知道,还抱有初心吧。
强烈建议把资源向女运动项目倾泻
作者:Selby Abbey 链接:https://www.zhihu.com/question/472194478/answer/2006131556
为什么一定要拿金牌呢?
随便一个大学的学生口领导就可以回答你。去年就业率90%,今年85%,说明你学生工作没做好。
什么疫情啊,经济危机啊,不听不听,王八念经。
去年疫情封城,90%,今年国内疫情都没了,你好意思85%?
同理,16年我们拿了多少金牌?今年国内疫情没了,国外疫情严重。你比不过一群病秧子?说明还是工作不到位。升职加薪?你在想peach。
作者:怼天怼地 链接:https://www.zhihu.com/question/472194478/answer/2006248121
这个问题要我说就是以下原因造成的。说白了就是:
国男在国际上没有国女竞争力强
1.先天条件,中国男性的整体身体条件天生不足,跟欧美比差太多,身长腿短比例差,后天缺乏认识,不能通过系统的训练补短板。少数地区,比如东北区域注重运动训练的,通常都能改善这个比例。
2.精神层面,缺乏吃苦不服输的精神,缺少荣誉感,这点连日韩都比不过,所以很难出顶尖的男性运动员,整体素质较低。如果按区域来讲,像广东江浙东北等省份的运动员,还算有些脾气和不服输的精神,所以这些地方高水平运动员占比多。
3.说到底"阴盛阳衰"并非不能改善,而在于:你想不想改善,愿不愿意为这个目标付出努力和行动。思想不改善,喊多少口号都没用。要治病,先要知道问题在哪里。,不能装作视而不见。现在这种状况就类似皇帝的新衣,[捂脸]阴盛阳衰,愈演愈烈。
想到了女排精神,女排姑娘的身体条件跟欧美比起来,其实不占优势,可我们敢拼[赞同]
对比男性运动员,有多少是敢拼的?特别是男足,还没有比赛就认为自己会输,比不过别人,未战先怯还怎么赢?男足真是打破了我们认知的底线,成国耻了。
不从大的战略战术上去改变,不从基本身体素质上去增强,一遇到大战,天天算小分,什么再赢一局或再平一场就能出线,精力都放错地方了,结果最后无一例外只有输了。久而久之都不相信自己会赢了吧???
作者:夏夜听风 链接:https://www.zhihu.com/question/472194478/answer/2005572768
纽约时报还分析了下今年中国14金的时候也是女生奖牌多,代表团四百多人,百分70女生。确实是靠女子得奖多
另外一个原因是中国饮食缺乏乳制品,人均乳制品消耗量全球倒数第一,只有欧美国家的十分之一。北京市直到201X年,青春期的女孩子有50%缺钙,男孩子80%缺钙。其中男性缺钙的比例远高于女性,这个不仅影响发育,而且影响运动中的伤病。
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是的,很多中东地区国家的男子足球都比中国强,但是女子根部不准踢球吧。
冷知识,上次里约奥运会,美国拿了46块金牌,其中女子27块,男子19块。所以美国这个怎么解释?
这个有科学依据吗?
真的都是外国人不爱玩的项目
可是男子项目,举国体制专业的都打不过国外业余的吗
NBC 说26块金全是女子项目啊,跟英国一样。美国也是女子拿金牌更多,不过男子也有拿
美国的女子项目好一点,是因为NCAA的奥运会项目女运动员比男运动员多,基数大。
这位大妈,为什么不能提乒乓球?
因为她不知道,其实强如中国乒乓球,男队也没能五连冠啊~~
大妈说这种话心里不愧疚吗,不觉得自己傻没文化吗
现在女足比男足还不着调~~
体操的道理是一样的,世界范围内女子体操比男子更流行
不能这么说,体操不是小众项目,而且中国男子体操队有过六连冠,而且这四十年来时有领军人物,算是人才辈出,相比较女子项目就差多了
科学训练,科学选材,有成熟的基层选拔机制才是关键。 和大众小众关系不大,顶多大众的竞争激烈些。 中国成功的项目都占这几条,包括世界范围内热门的体操跳水, 还有刚加入时很popular,被中国人祸祸成冷门了的乒乓球~~ 强的项目男女都强,弱则男女都弱,并不存在阴盛阳衰的现象。 即使看上去有,也是别人的女队弱而已。 女排可能是个例外, 但是男排女排的规则差距是所有男女项目中最大的, 网的高度就不一样。
我们看看中国队历届金牌榜的男女比例 2008年,男子24枚,女子24枚 2012年,男子17枚,女子20枚 2016年,男子12枚,女子14枚 就这能叫做“差那么多”?还上纲上线到“中国男人就是不行”???
那16年美国男子18枚,女子27枚,叫什么? 12年美国男子17枚,女子29枚,叫什么?
事实是,奥运会他不是在跟计时器比赛,大部分项目他是在选手之间互相比赛。
体育强国的女性有更多机会受到选拔培养,所以女子奖牌榜的集中度远大于男子奖牌榜。这并不能说明这些体育强国的男子运动水平不如女子。
从另一个角度,大部分奥运项目的男子项目水平方差远远小于女子项目。总体来看,男子项目更吃天赋,而女子项目更吃训练条件。
所以你去看金牌榜, 大部分出了一两个天才拿了一两块金牌的小国,都是男子项目的金牌。女子项目都被中美俄欧囊括了。
加拿大至今为止11块奖牌全部是女子项目。你管这叫加拿大男人不行?我管这叫加拿大女人平权做得好
与此相反的是牙买加。我们知道田径短跑基本就是牙买加vs美国。但是牙买加过去两届奥运会的金牌,是男子7块,女子3块。难道牙买加的西非女性基因不如男性,但是美国的西非女性基因就没有问题?
最烦那些到处放种族性别地图炮的文盲。
总的说来,中国体育阴盛阳衰是几十年来的趋势,我们年少时都感叹过。