Dr.Fauci on CDC's reimposed mask guidelines, vaccine require

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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html Summary of Recent Changes Updates as of July 27, 2021 *Updated information for fully vaccinated people given new evidence on the B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant currently circulating in the United States. *Added a recommendation for fully vaccinated people to wear a mask in public indoor settings in areas of substantial or high transmission. *Added information that fully vaccinated people might choose to wear a mask regardless of the level of transmission, particularly if they are immunocompromised or at increased risk for severe disease from COVID-19, or if they have someone in their household who is immunocompromised, at increased risk of severe disease or not fully vaccinated. *Added a recommendation for fully vaccinated people who have a known exposure to someone with suspected or confirmed COVID-19 to be tested 3-5 days after exposure, and to wear a mask in public indoor settings for 14 days or until they receive a negative test result. *CDC recommends universal indoor masking for all teachers, staff, students, and visitors to schools, regardless of vaccination status.


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认真理解的话, 这不应该只针对和有症状新冠病人有密切接触的人群, 因为我们知道无症状者,一样传播病毒。那些打了疫苗出去浪的人, 参加各种音乐会,体育比赛, 学校上课的,都有不知不觉被expose的可能。 谁知道飞机上坐你身边的陌生人是不是无症状阳性, 或者三天后不会成为有症状病人?即使你自己现在无症状,按CDC建议,你也应该去test. 所以,除非与世隔绝,六亲不认, 我们应该每天一测?然后全民戴上口罩, 否则就是对他人健康的不负责, 即使你打过两针疫苗。
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/28/health/cdc-covid-testing-vaccine.html
By Emily Anthes July 28, 2021 In addition to revising its mask guidance on Tuesday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention also quietly updated its testing recommendations for people who are fully vaccinated against the coronavirus. The agency now advises that vaccinated people be tested for the virus if they come into contact with someone with Covid-19, even if they have no symptoms. Previously, the health agency had said that fully vaccinated people did not need to be tested after exposure to the virus unless they were experiencing symptoms. “Our updated guidance recommends vaccinated people get tested upon exposure regardless of symptoms,” Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, the agency’s director, said in an email to The New York Times. “Testing is widely available.” Fully vaccinated people should wear a mask in public indoor spaces after exposure, the agency said. Three to five days later, they should be tested for the virus.

蝶舞蜂歌
病毒接下来主要利用免疫风暴造成年轻人与青壮年族群大量受灾。其实和1918,1919都是一样的,不用太紧张。而疫苗促进病毒受压力产生变异并且学习躲避免疫系统,这是达成免疫风暴的前置条件。病毒不用大幅加强毒性,只要加强传染性进行免疫逃逸,并加快复制,制造体内大规模发炎,最后再让免疫系统出手,就大功告成了。
所以打疫苗能避免重症是一厢情愿的想法,那不过是目前病毒还在借由传播快速演化并学习,所以死亡人数很少。几个月后就不一样了。。。

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vitd120
breakthrough有一半甚至更多无症状,但是鼻子里有病毒 还是所有人indoor mask比较好
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franzia
从头到尾就不应该推荐摘下来。
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youdai
CDC is a fucking mess
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dotmm
mask on or off 是一个经典问题

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gatobarb
病毒接下来主要利用免疫风暴造成年轻人与青壮年族群大量受灾。其实和1918,1919都是一样的,不用太紧张。而疫苗促进病毒受压力产生变异并且学习躲避免疫系统,这是达成免疫风暴的前置条件。病毒不用大幅加强毒性,只要加强传染性进行免疫逃逸,并加快复制,制造体内大规模发炎,最后再让免疫系统出手,就大功告成了。
所以打疫苗能避免重症是一厢情愿的想法,那不过是目前病毒还在借由传播快速演化并学习,所以死亡人数很少。几个月后就不一样了。。。


蝶舞蜂歌 发表于 2021-07-29 10:36

我真希望不会这样。
不知道现在有没有测breakthrough 的人的病毒量。刚在买买提看了个小道消息,说NBC News 删了自己网上新闻的一段话,关于打了疫苗的可能会携带更多病毒。
还是戴好口罩,小心为上。
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HRK

饱受争议的现行PCR test将于今年底退出历史舞台,其中一个目的是更好的分辨流感和新冠病毒。 所以现在无法准确分辨?
https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html
纽约凤姐
福奇大叔 比较科学吧!!
这个大叔真是 智慧啊!!!
生物化学 学的比 中国人好太多太多了!!


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vitd120
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好像是cdc自己研发的pcr不能用了?晕
不清楚其他的pcr还能用不
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认真理解的话, 这不应该只针对和有症状新冠病人有密切接触的人群, 因为我们知道无症状者,一样传播病毒。那些打了疫苗出去浪的人, 参加各种音乐会,体育比赛, 学校上课的,都有不知不觉被expose的可能。 谁知道飞机上坐你身边的陌生人是不是无症状阳性, 或者三天后不会成为有症状病人?即使你自己现在无症状,按CDC建议,你也应该去test. 所以,除非与世隔绝,六亲不认, 我们应该每天一测?然后全民戴上口罩, 否则就是对他人健康的不负责, 即使你打过两针疫苗。
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/28/health/cdc-covid-testing-vaccine.html
By Emily Anthes July 28, 2021 In addition to revising its mask guidance on Tuesday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention also quietly updated its testing recommendations for people who are fully vaccinated against the coronavirus. The agency now advises that vaccinated people be tested for the virus if they come into contact with someone with Covid-19, even if they have no symptoms. Previously, the health agency had said that fully vaccinated people did not need to be tested after exposure to the virus unless they were experiencing symptoms. “Our updated guidance recommends vaccinated people get tested upon exposure regardless of symptoms,” Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, the agency’s director, said in an email to The New York Times. “Testing is widely available.” Fully vaccinated people should wear a mask in public indoor spaces after exposure, the agency said. Three to five days later, they should be tested for the virus.


HRK 发表于 2021-07-29 10:28

不是说普通口罩没用么?感觉秋天开学小孩还是会有一大波
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Did you know your pediatrician is taught "presumptive close" sales tactics to help push the vaccine on your kid? https://www.aap.org/en-us/advocacy-and-policy/aap-health-initiatives/immunizations/Pages/vaccine-hesitant-parents.aspx
AAP.org

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HRK
不是说普通口罩没用么?感觉秋天开学小孩还是会有一大波
sisi12 发表于 2021-07-29 13:06

It is never about what is really effective, it is about train the people to do whatever government want you to do. 让你和墙内听话的韭菜一样,哪怕觉得不合理,也习惯性的不去质疑任何政府agenda,更不会去反抗挑战。
用种种不合理的政策,分化和挑动民众的内部矛盾, 选边站队。起来反抗政府的,首先会被自己身边的反对派围剿。国内的自发维稳不就是这样?
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饱受争议的现行PCR test将于今年底退出历史舞台,其中一个目的是更好的分辨流感和新冠病毒。 所以现在无法准确分辨?
https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html
HRK 发表于 2021-07-29 11:24

这是逗大家玩呢? 你说lock down就lock down 回头跟我说lock down的依据是错的

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Did you know your pediatrician is taught "presumptive close" sales tactics to help push the vaccine on your kid? https://www.aap.org/en-us/advocacy-and-policy/aap-health-initiatives/immunizations/Pages/vaccine-hesitant-parents.aspx
AAP.org


HRK 发表于 2021-07-29 13:11

一套一套的。 有人研究过pcr的发明者现在在哪吗?还在吗? 戏都是全套的
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如果这样就糟糕了!
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Fauci 说Delta variant once breakthrough vaccinated people, the viral load in nasal airway is as much as the unvaccinated people. 所以全民要打疫苗?The logic is kind of jumpy. 评论栏告诉你美国一般大众是怎么看这个问题的, 而不是华人小圈子bubble 里的意见。

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Should Ivermectin be used to treat Covid-19 patients? This is indeed a multi-billion dollar question.
But before looking into this question, perhaps we have to figure out two other questions first?
1. Who determines HOW to treat Covid-19 patients?
The NIH COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel. They develop the COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines which are then provided to clinicians/doctors as “guidelines” on how to care for patients with COVID-19.
2. Who are in this panel?
According to the NIH Covid-19 Treatment Guidelines website (Appendix A, Table 2. COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel Financial Disclosure for Companies Related to COVID-19 Treatment or Diagnostics), about 50% of the people listed there are somewhat connected to various pharmaceutical companies, including Merck, Janssen, Pfizer, Gilead Science, AstraZeneca, and Regeneron.
Hmm … now do you know why Ivermectin is NOT recommended though frontline doctors & Covid-19 patients shout out loud saying it really W-O-R-K-S? 
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wanwanma
CDC一群酒囊饭袋,被小🦠彻底拉下医学神坛了……
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intersky
Fauci就不要老出来说了,都是joke