Young children will pay the price if enough US adults don't get vaccinated against Covid-19, expert says If vaccination rates among adults and kids 12 and older keep lagging amid increased spread of the Delta variant, the youngest members of the population will be most affected. "Transmission will continue to accelerate ... and the ones who will also pay the price, in addition to the unvaccinated adolescents, are the little kids who depend on the adults and adolescents to get vaccinated in order to slow or halt transmission," he said. In 46 states, the rates of new cases this past week are at least 10% higher than the rates of new cases the previous week, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. In Los Angeles County, the country's most populous, there has been a 500% increase in cases over the past month, according to the county's latest health data. As cases increase, only 48.1% of the population is fully vaccinated, https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/14/health/us-coronavirus-wednesday/index.html
you can get shot or many shots as u like. But it's people not willing to get the shots paying the price for our freedom... medical tyranny is a tyranny.
你出门开车， 要不要专家告诉你怎么开才安全？！ 我自己有眼睛， 看不出covid 对小孩有个屁个影响？！ 我自己有眼睛， 不能去读CDC的数据？ 小孩有个屁个影响？！ 我自己有眼睛， 看不出很多国家， like egypt, albania, tanzania, etc, kept their borders open, and virtually no restrictions, 活的还好好的。 我自己有眼睛， 看不出那些political elites who's imposed so many restriction on common people, who has cried about covid many times, actually don't care about covid themselves? 有个美国专家， 一直喊着要close schools， 要孩子learn from online。。。 结果被曝， 自己小孩搬去sweden还不是什么国家的， in person learning all through covid 更加别说那些teachers， 一边喊着要关school， 一边自己去mexico旅游的？ 更别说那些elites， hampton party， underground party， 不带mask就fly的。。 这种不要太多。
you can get shot or many shots as u like. But it's people not willing to get the shots paying the price for our freedom... medical tyranny is a tyranny. beefcuurtain98 发表于 2021-07-14 15:59
你出门开车， 要不要专家告诉你怎么开才安全？！ 我自己有眼睛， 看不出covid 对小孩有个屁个影响？！ 我自己有眼睛， 不能去读CDC的数据？ 小孩有个屁个影响？！ 我自己有眼睛， 看不出很多国家， like egypt, albania, tanzania, etc, kept their borders open, and virtually no restrictions, 活的还好好的。 我自己有眼睛， 看不出那些political elites who''''s imposed so many restriction on common people, who has cried about covid many times, actually don''''t care about covid themselves? 有个美国专家， 一直喊着要close schools， 要孩子learn from online。。。 结果被曝， 自己小孩搬去sweden还不是什么国家的， in person learning all through covid 更加别说那些teachers， 一边喊着要关school， 一边自己去mexico旅游的？ 更别说那些elites， hampton party， underground party， 不带mask就fly的。。 这种不要太多。 beefcuurtain98 发表于 2021-07-14 16:11
“不打疫苗，又抱怨开放” i have never come across that kind of person. most people in real life are either 1) think covid is whatever CNN tells them, a big fucking deal, deadly, and somehow believe that all the lockdowns work without any real data, and wants to lock down unvaccinated people forever 2) think covid is a virus, but way overblown for political purposes. Don't feel like need a vaccine if I am healthy. Only got one because maybe mandated by school etc. And still believe in personal freedom. And very skeptical about whether the lockdown/masks measures did anything except drive up umemployment, suicide rates and depression.
Testing (11 states reported)* Children made up between 6.0%-19.9% of total state tests, and between 4.9%-34.9% of children tested were tested positive Hospitalizations (23 states and NYC reported)* Children were 1.3%-3.6% of total reported hospitalizations, and between 0.1%-1.9% of all child COVID-19 cases resulted in hospitalization Mortality (43 states, NYC, PR and GU reported)* Children were 0.00%-0.25% of all COVID-19 deaths, and 8 states reported zero child deaths In states reporting, 0.00%-0.03% of all child COVID-19 cases resulted in death https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/children-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report/ 这是当前的，不知道delta怎么样
i don't need an "expert" to tell me if i should get a vaccine or not.. my body my choice... remember? Especially when the choice doesn't involve literally killing a baby. I don't need a freaking expert to tell me how to evaluate that choice.
are you not well informed? there were lotteries, and money given out by many blue states. But i don't think it made a difference to those black/hispanics. Liberal white/asian people don't need an incentive
i don't need an "expert" to tell me if i should get a vaccine or not.. my body my choice... remember? Especially when the choice doesn't involve literally killing a baby. I don't need a freaking expert to tell me how to evaluate that choice.
beefcuurtain98 发表于 2021-07-14 16:34
exactly Not wearing a mask or dropping the mask mandate is no big deal who cares about other people being protected or curbing the spread 反话谁不会说
i don't need an "expert" to tell me if i should get a vaccine or not.. my body my choice... remember? Especially when the choice doesn't involve literally killing a baby. I don't need a freaking expert to tell me how to evaluate that choice.
are you not well informed? there were lotteries, and money given out by many blue states. But i don't think it made a difference to those black/hispanics. Liberal white/asian people don't need an incentive beefcuurtain98 发表于 2021-07-14 16:39
exactly Not wearing a mask or dropping the mask mandate is no big deal who cares about other people being protected or curbing the spread 反话谁不会说 CleverBeaver 发表于 2021-07-14 16:44
if you want to be protected, go get the shots yourself. coca cola contributes to diabets and overall unhealthiness of this country, do you see the governement shutting down coca cola? or limit mcdonalds?
if you want to be protected, go get the shots yourself. coca cola contributes to diabets and overall unhealthiness of this country, do you see the governement shutting down coca cola? or limit mcdonalds?
beefcuurtain98 发表于 2021-07-14 16:49
这位有文化的同学 花生过敏到底是怎么回事？您可知道？ Also, I’d like to protect myself, via a slightly safer mechanism, for now
Testing (11 states reported)* Children made up between 6.0%-19.9% of total state tests, and between 4.9%-34.9% of children tested were tested positive Hospitalizations (23 states and NYC reported)* Children were 1.3%-3.6% of total reported hospitalizations, and between 0.1%-1.9% of all child COVID-19 cases resulted in hospitalization Mortality (43 states, NYC, PR and GU reported)* Children were 0.00%-0.25% of all COVID-19 deaths, and 8 states reported zero child deaths In states reporting, 0.00%-0.03% of all child COVID-19 cases resulted in death https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/children-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report/ 这是当前的，不知道delta怎么样 vitd120 发表于 2021-07-14 16:25
are you not well informed? there were lotteries, and money given out by many blue states. But i don't think it made a difference to those black/hispanics. Liberal white/asian people don't need an incentive beefcuurtain98 发表于 2021-07-14 16:39
If vaccination rates among adults and kids 12 and older keep lagging amid increased spread of the Delta variant, the youngest members of the population will be most affected.
"Transmission will continue to accelerate ... and the ones who will also pay the price, in addition to the unvaccinated adolescents, are the little kids who depend on the adults and adolescents to get vaccinated in order to slow or halt transmission," he said. In 46 states, the rates of new cases this past week are at least 10% higher than the rates of new cases the previous week, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. In Los Angeles County, the country's most populous, there has been a 500% increase in cases over the past month, according to the county's latest health data. As cases increase, only 48.1% of the population is fully vaccinated,
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/14/health/us-coronavirus-wednesday/index.html
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是的，深深同意。随着互联网的普及，不同的人想法差别之大，简直感觉不生活在一个世界。
问题是现在地球上人太多太多太多了，一个人的想法和力量变得微乎极微，不得不被群体挟持。
你说就行了，没找到什么答案。你说的不就是某某论吗。 问题的提出这些看法的人，还是没法脱离这社会，独自生活。
那么，确实是没有什么可做的。
如果说自己内心有些疑问，觉得什么地方不对劲，那么就去多问几个问题。毕竟，人生来是自由平等的。
官方和主媒又会屏蔽这个，说是阴谋论。
🛋️ 沙发板凳
不是我说，再 明摆 你不说到，很多老美也get不到。
专家这么一说，真有一批恍然大悟的。
当然这一批恍然大悟的，恍完，继续不打疫苗的，还会不少。
新冠后遗症也不能忽视吧……不是单纯死亡率的问题。
很好奇地问：轻症不住院的那种也会有后遗症吗？有没有华人孩子轻症感染的家长来说一说？
有，文章都有的，不需要去问别人
但是貌似不打疫苗的都认为疫苗副作用比新冠后遗症普遍来的更厉害更惨
光说后遗症，哪就得比较新冠后遗症和疫苗后遗症，这也没比较没统计。至少现在我认识知道的新冠患者还没有什么后遗症，包括同事和老公，我有个朋友才打了一针疫苗，就胸口痛的不行跑去急诊，但查了血查了心电图又没发现什么，不过已经吓得不要打第二针了。我个人觉得大家打疫苗还是保护老弱病残高危人群，这个病毒危害多大，年龄是个非常重要的因素
从厉害国出来的人都知道，强推没好货。现在医疗口推疫苗都魔怔了，有药可医就是不让用，就推疫苗，油管封杀所有质疑疫苗和曝光疫苗副作用的视频，用力这么猛为什么呢。
是明摆着啊，但是就有人不get it啊。咱坛子里就几个，认为自己身体像小朋友一样珍贵。
谁说的呢，有很多人说在等重组蛋白，版上这么说的人很多吧
总是把有breakthrough的case说成100%不防传染也是醉了。美国数字下来这么多，100%不防传染怎么下来的？你说这种情况就因为少，才上了新闻。要是2月开始打完疫苗一样传染，美国这几个月再不幸几十万，那就根本就不是新闻了。
这谁知道呢。
说法天天变的，开始说疫苗防感染防重症防死亡，后来打了疫苗的感染的多了，就开始说疫苗防重症不防感染，开始说小孩感染了也基本没事，后来为了让成年人打疫苗又改口说成年人不打疫苗会让小孩子大量感染，所以小孩子感染到底是有事没事呢
一定程度要根据病毒的发展来决定啊，现在谁敢拍胸脯说delta variant对小孩子没事不是蠢就是坏。病毒这么新，看法不是与时俱进嘛? 谁能从病毒出来第一天就先知先觉。
同感。 而且新增数据又有上升的势头。这怎么解释呢。 随着时间延长和变种的出现，大半年，现在已经有第三针了。 那么然后呢。
根据发展决定，还没想好下一步。
其实说穿了就是赌博。疫苗和新冠后遗症几率对个人来说都很低，现在都难说哪个更可怕，就自己赌吧。我们家都打了。在孩子的问题上我是有不同意见的，但因为是赌博，我也没有想去引起不必要的争吵。现在打了后的结果就是该干嘛就干嘛了，以前窝在家里啥也不敢做的状况不可能一直延续下去。
如果中间有判断失误呢？
你老板什么教育程度？
我知道的是死亡率极低以至于我们州用0%来表示18岁以下占死于covid的总人数比例，可是小孩被感染的几率其实并不低，我们两千来人的高中从去年九月到六月学年结束有近150例学生感染，但关键数据譬如小孩的重症/进医院之类的比例就是个谜，没有什么官方统计资料。
这个还真不好说。看看对月经影响的本版调查。
现在说的是delta variant！之前说法的说法适用于没有变异之前 少看点中文公众号吧 读点书看点文献吧
lz又来道德绑架？戴口罩怎么没这么说
是的 年龄是个很关键因素
特别是 明明大人打疫苗却不戴口罩会促进变异 怎么会得出保护小孩这种结论的
exactly
7秒记忆力 不是吹的
我们孩子也两针都打完了，可他现在去暑期的课外活动，然后和我说没什么人戴口罩，他也不要戴，然后老公也站孩子那边，所以我现在还是有点担心的
亲见一位女医生疫苗打完后已经怀孕🤰了
就是啊 干嘛要被道德绑架打一个不知道有什么用side effects又众多的非成熟产品
等等又不会死
见到得过新冠之后有后遗症的人，原来也有基础病的，也是住院治疗过的；大部分轻症好像还好； 至于疫苗，还没见过明显后遗症的
以后就月月打 天天测
哇，歪哥都出来指责不打疫苗的大妈了
是的，疫苗已经减少了20万以上的死亡
https://news.yale.edu/2021/07/08/us-vaccination-campaign-prevented-279000-covid-19-deaths
争取每一次发言都有reference
最奇怪的是，一般自己不打就行了 比如我往年都不打flu shot的 可我从来不会去说服别人说疫苗无效，不要打
自信要专家给？？！！ 你的self esteem， self confidence能不能再低一点？？！
you can get shot or many shots as u like. But it's people not willing to get the shots paying the price for our freedom... medical tyranny is a tyranny.
是的，我和老公都打了，就剩了高中的儿子没打，很犹豫，我们打了也是小心防护，去买东西 什么的都戴口罩，消毒，也不聚会，跟以前没多大差别。
我发现很多老美特别傻，你不说，他就不知道。。
是啊 都是盲猜 就不要谁比谁高尚了
不过最近少了一点月经贴 不知何故
美帝有些东西确实很奇怪的
比如花生过敏的巨多
到底是什么引起的呢
你搞笑了，你得癌症的话，不听医生的，自己分析要不要化疗？
是“不完全”不放传染，不是 “根本”不放传染，有区别的！
疫苗看，就防传染来说，mRNA 效果好于 腺病毒，这 UK 和 以色列/美国的数据
就重症来看，效果都还可以，mRNA 可能还要好一些！
新冠疫苗之前 我身边认识的女性，月经期不正常也是非常常见的 也不一定一直不规律，偶尔失常太常见了
能给个不戴口罩不隔离的数据嘛？谢谢
你出门开车， 要不要专家告诉你怎么开才安全？！
我自己有眼睛， 看不出covid 对小孩有个屁个影响？！
我自己有眼睛， 不能去读CDC的数据？ 小孩有个屁个影响？！
我自己有眼睛， 看不出很多国家， like egypt, albania, tanzania, etc, kept their borders open, and virtually no restrictions, 活的还好好的。
我自己有眼睛， 看不出那些political elites who's imposed so many restriction on common people, who has cried about covid many times, actually don't care about covid themselves?
有个美国专家， 一直喊着要close schools， 要孩子learn from online。。。 结果被曝， 自己小孩搬去sweden还不是什么国家的， in person learning all through covid
更加别说那些teachers， 一边喊着要关school， 一边自己去mexico旅游的？
更别说那些elites， hampton party， underground party， 不带mask就fly的。。 这种不要太多。
这个版上，其实很少有人在劝别人打疫苗的贴 反倒是劝人不打的帖天天见 我也不会劝别人打疫苗，爱谁谁 可是不要不打疫苗，又抱怨开放 毕竟大家不能关家里5年
记得你这个id
你不考驾照直接上马路试试嘛 你以为你考驾照是为啥? 哪些条列规则，不好意思，都是专家写的定的 不仅要笔试，还有考官路考，这就是专家告诉你系列啊 你咋不说你有眼睛，会看车就直接上路呢？
基因啊。
大人身体没有小朋友珍贵是什么道理？
mrna技术的未知区域和风险如何？人类目前能掌控到什么程度。 是效果好还是双刃剑。 强力杀虫剂在灭蚊虫的同时，人自身也有轻微的中毒，只是体格大，表现不明显。
“不打疫苗，又抱怨开放”
i have never come across that kind of person. most people in real life are either
1) think covid is whatever CNN tells them, a big fucking deal, deadly, and somehow believe that all the lockdowns work without any real data, and wants to lock down unvaccinated people forever
2) think covid is a virus, but way overblown for political purposes. Don't feel like need a vaccine if I am healthy. Only got one because maybe mandated by school etc. And still believe in personal freedom. And very skeptical about whether the lockdown/masks measures did anything except drive up umemployment, suicide rates and depression.
我觉得应该搞疫苗饥饿营销 大概很多人就会去抢着打了
可以确定大部分就是短期副作用吧，月经一两个月就好了的是大多数，谁还没事天天跑来发帖啊。心肌炎也是，那天有个贴讨论teen的副作用的，绝大部分都没事，个别的也是观察几天就好了，这就是事实啊。
you need to learn some critical/independent thinking to read the data, and laugh at the hysteria too
我觉得发钱最管用，因为目前低收入不打的多。
https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/children-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report/
这是当前的，不知道delta怎么样
like I said, your kid probably has a much greater chance of getting killed/injured by shitty chinese slant eye driving skills, than covid
我自己打了疫苗月经很正常 但我以往如果工作紧张，或者出门旅游作息打乱 也会失常 所以我觉得有些人可能是心理紧张造成的 不仅仅是对疫苗紧张，去排号打疫苗也是新鲜事 一个体育馆排排做，军队小伙来打针 也是以前没见过的
真的吗 6个月都可以有疫苗了？
打的是假疫苗－－－ｓａｙｓ ｓｅｖｅｒａｌ ｉｄｓ
你这么牛逼，怎么不给自己研制个疫苗呢。 疫苗就是专家研发的，你打什么呢。
i don't need an "expert" to tell me if i should get a vaccine or not.. my body my choice... remember? Especially when the choice doesn't involve literally killing a baby. I don't need a freaking expert to tell me how to evaluate that choice.
哪一种基因呢？花生过敏感觉美帝超多 但不仅限于哪一个人种
现在新闻上不说多少人，而是说多少doses
用不掉的准备让孩子们用？这个experts有后代了吗？
are you not well informed? there were lotteries, and money given out by many blue states. But i don't think it made a difference to those black/hispanics. Liberal white/asian people don't need an incentive
是 明明一样珍贵 所以我们还是大人小孩都戴口罩
like who？
exactly
Not wearing a mask or dropping the mask mandate is no big deal
who cares about other people being protected or curbing the spread
反话谁不会说
这个像有文化的
以后的mRNA疫苗都要target germline了
不要说6个月 不要说胚胎阶段 还是egg cell和sperm的时候就给你打好针了
可能冻过不少zygotes了
是啊 只要不给我打不成熟产品 让我倒给你钱都可以
if you want to be protected, go get the shots yourself.
coca cola contributes to diabets and overall unhealthiness of this country, do you see the governement shutting down coca cola? or limit mcdonalds?
这位有文化的同学 花生过敏到底是怎么回事？您可知道？
Also, I’d like to protect myself, via a slightly safer mechanism, for now
我的印象是一开始就说不防感染。易感人群应该是随着变种有变化吧，我听说过delta是对小孩和年轻人影响也大。其实楼主写的跟成人打防重症根本也不冲突
多谢数据，看来小孩住院的比例要远低于他们感染的比例。我不纠结了，反正能做的我都做了，疫苗两针也给孩子打了，以后的事情就交给上天来决定吧。。。
是啊，不打疫苗的群体在，总是会让其它无法打的群体vulnerable。。。。
还是要小心防疫， 但是不必过分紧张。。。
心脏不适心跳异常，天知道是新冠后遗症，还是疫苗后遗症
我知道抽奖，但是明显力度不够啊。就几个人中，大部分人会觉得轮不到自己啊。比如那天有人建议发的免费check分一些给打疫苗的，比如每个打疫苗的发$500，大家承担了副作用的风险啊，reward一下道理上说得通。
实在担心或者身体不好的，我觉得不要打，要是蓝州，teen打得挺多的，我们这边疫苗车都开到了高中，所以覆盖率很高。希望8月回去数字能控制住，大家都平安。