Q Analysis The last and only foreign scientist in the Wuhan lab speaks out Australian researcher Danielle Anderson speaks to Bloomberg about the possibility of a virus escaping from the controversial Wuhan Institute of Virology. Michelle Cortez Updated Jun 28, 2021 https://www.afr.com/world/asia/the-last-and-only-foreign-scientist-in-the-wuhan-lab-speaks-out-20210628-p584t0 Anderson said no one she knew at the Wuhan institute was ill toward the end of 2019. Moreover, there is a procedure for reporting symptoms that correspond with the pathogens handled in high-risk containment labs. “If people were sick, I assume that I would have been sick—and I wasn’t,” she said. “I was tested for coronavirus in Singapore before I was vaccinated, and had never had it.” Not only that, many of Anderson’s collaborators in Wuhan came to Singapore at the end of December for a gathering on Nipah virus. There was no word of any illness sweeping the laboratory, she said. “There was no chatter,” Anderson said. “Scientists are gossipy and excited. There was nothing strange from my point of view going on at that point that would make you think something is going on here.” Bloomberg UQ EvenOdd 发表于 2021-06-27 20:16
Q Nipah virus infection - Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Nipah_virus_infection A Nipah virus infection is a viral infection caused by the Nipah virus. Symptoms from infection vary from none to fever, cough, headache, shortness of breath, and ... Deaths: ~50 to 75% risk of death Causes: Nipah virus (spread by direct contact) Symptoms: None, fever, cough, headache, con... Treatment: Supportive care only UQ
Q Analysis The last and only foreign scientist in the Wuhan lab speaks out Australian researcher Danielle Anderson speaks to Bloomberg about the possibility of a virus escaping from the controversial Wuhan Institute of Virology. Michelle Cortez Updated Jun 28, 2021 https://www.afr.com/world/asia/the-last-and-only-foreign-scientist-in-the-wuhan-lab-speaks-out-20210628-p584t0 Anderson said no one she knew at the Wuhan institute was ill toward the end of 2019. Moreover, there is a procedure for reporting symptoms that correspond with the pathogens handled in high-risk containment labs. “If people were sick, I assume that I would have been sick—and I wasn’t,” she said. “I was tested for coronavirus in Singapore before I was vaccinated, and had never had it.” Not only that, many of Anderson’s collaborators in Wuhan came to Singapore at the end of December for a gathering on Nipah virus. There was no word of any illness sweeping the laboratory, she said. “There was no chatter,” Anderson said. “Scientists are gossipy and excited. There was nothing strange from my point of view going on at that point that would make you think something is going on here.” Bloomberg UQ
你这种低级五毛，连洗地水平都这么让人一言难尽，还是该虚心向你们老板Namama等人学学。。 https://www.ft.com/content/b53661d6-a70a-44ca-92a7-fa2fa4944d52 A team of academics from Wuhan, where the first documented cases of Covid-19 appeared, submitted sequences of the virus which causes the disease to a US-based archive in March 2020. Three months later, however, they asked for those sequences to be removed and the data were deleted, the US National Institutes of Health said on Wednesday, confirming the results of an investigation by the American biologist Jesse Bloom. “Submitting investigators hold the rights to their data and can request withdrawal of the data,” NIH said in a statement.
Bloom says he contacted the Chinese researchers to ask why they removed the SRA data, but they did not reply. (Science also received no reply after emailing the lead authors.)
Bloom’s more explosive assertion, that the Chinese researchers deleted data, is bound to intensify the debate about whether the virus originally jumped to humans from an unknown animal or somehow leaked from a laboratory. Bloom says he has no bias toward a particular origin hypothesis for SARS-CoV-2, and he agrees that the viral sequences he highlighted are a small piece of a large unfinished puzzle.
你这种低级五毛，连洗地水平都这么让人一言难尽，还是该虚心向你们老板Namama等人学学。。 https://www.ft.com/content/b53661d6-a70a-44ca-92a7-fa2fa4944d52 A team of academics from Wuhan, where the first documented cases of Covid-19 appeared, submitted sequences of the virus which causes the disease to a US-based archive in March 2020. Three months later, however, they asked for those sequences to be removed and the data were deleted, the US National Institutes of Health said on Wednesday, confirming the results of an investigation by the American biologist Jesse Bloom. “Submitting investigators hold the rights to their data and can request withdrawal of the data,” NIH said in a statement. bigjohn123456 发表于 2021-06-23 22:59
看了Science关于这个发现的文章，里面这段话我觉得很有意思，说得很好。洗地的越洗越暴露心虚。 Stepping into the divisive discussion of SARS-CoV-2’s origin comes at a price, he acknowledges. “So many people have agendas and preconceived notions on this topic that if you open your mouth on the topic, someone's going to take what you've said to support or reject some particular narrative,” he says. “So the choices are either not to say anything at all, which I don't think is useful or productive, or just to try to draw the conclusions you can and make it as transparent as possible. No matter how much people like [my new study] or don't like it, or agree with the interpretation or disagree with the interpretation, they can at least go download it and repeat it themselves.”
看了Science关于这个发现的文章，里面这段话我觉得很有意思，说得很好。洗地的越洗越暴露心虚。 Stepping into the divisive discussion of SARS-CoV-2’s origin comes at a price, he acknowledges. “So many people have agendas and preconceived notions on this topic that if you open your mouth on the topic, someone's going to take what you've said to support or reject some particular narrative,” he says. “So the choices are either not to say anything at all, which I don't think is useful or productive, or just to try to draw the conclusions you can and make it as transparent as possible. No matter how much people like [my new study] or don't like it, or agree with the interpretation or disagree with the interpretation, they can at least go download it and repeat it themselves.” bipoppy 发表于 2021-06-24 01:18
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Q Nipah virus infection - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Nipah_virus_infection
A Nipah virus infection is a viral infection caused by the Nipah virus. Symptoms from infection vary from none to fever, cough, headache, shortness of breath, and ... Deaths: ~50 to 75% risk of death Causes: Nipah virus (spread by direct contact) Symptoms: None, fever, cough, headache, con... Treatment: Supportive care only UQ
Anderson said no one she knew at the Wuhan institute was ill toward the end of 2019. Moreover, there is a procedure for reporting symptoms that correspond with the pathogens handled in high-risk containment labs. “If people were sick, I assume that I would have been sick—and I wasn’t,” she said. “I was tested for coronavirus in Singapore before I was vaccinated, and had never had it.” Not only that, many of Anderson’s collaborators in Wuhan came to Singapore at the end of December for a gathering on Nipah virus. There was no word of any illness sweeping the laboratory, she said. “There was no chatter,” Anderson said. “Scientists are gossipy and excited. There was nothing strange from my point of view going on at that point that would make you think something is going on here.”
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敌人的敌人是朋友。TG的敌人都是朋友。 TG=人类公敌=邪恶=专制=种族灭绝。 美国=民主=自由=博爱。
🛋️ 沙发板凳
真所谓魔高一尺 道高一丈！
现在搞科学研究，还要有做侦探的功夫。
牛人啊！
哎呀卧槽两天不跟已经转进到731了？谁再跟我说中国人没有创新精神我跟谁玩命
你不要低估某些政府官员的惯性，可能以为google跟百度一样呢
中共当局的作为，连累害死多少人？！
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/06/scientist-s-hunt-covid-19-s-origin-finds-early-virus-sequences-chinese-team-deleted-nih
这个序列恢复意味着啥？ 能不能详细说一下
可是站在其他种族人的角度想想 这频繁出来的新闻我都觉得没人会同情。。
因为有鬼才会删呀，这不明摆着吗！
一帮带节奏的轮子上蹿下跳的。看他们兴奋盼望的表情溢于言表了都
这几个entry是NIH删除的，关中国屁事。
挖出来以后发现啥了？
就是说海洋市场不是发源地。
就说明这个？ 这好像媒体都知道了
Twitter上一点热度都没有。这边光见到几个2021的ID兴致勃勃的一条一条的发，像闻到铜臭味儿了一样。 一条5毛钱，俩条1块钱，3条1块五。嘎嘎嘎～
眼瞎呀， 8楼的email申请删的
以前只是猜测吧。现在有了这个证据，说是这些序列比海鲜市场的要早好几代。 我早上看小浣熊的帖子就更新了这个信息。她还有分析，你可以找来看看。
你这种低级五毛，连洗地水平都这么让人一言难尽，还是该虚心向你们老板Namama等人学学。。
https://www.ft.com/content/b53661d6-a70a-44ca-92a7-fa2fa4944d52
A team of academics from Wuhan, where the first documented cases of Covid-19 appeared, submitted sequences of the virus which causes the disease to a US-based archive in March 2020. Three months later, however, they asked for those sequences to be removed and the data were deleted, the US National Institutes of Health said on Wednesday, confirming the results of an investigation by the American biologist Jesse Bloom.
“Submitting investigators hold the rights to their data and can request withdrawal of the data,” NIH said in a statement.
你没看文章吗，是武汉的上传者在2020年3月要求NIH 删掉的。他们什么时候上传的就不知道了。
华南海鲜市场毒株和早期发现的其他毒株及最接近的蝙蝠病毒基因序列 存在明显变异（不同源！）
阴谋论： 有人为了掩盖病毒真实起源，在海鲜市场蓄意投毒，人工策源
拜登8月份要情报部门出结果， 这是一步步在放风么
越来越 不可思议了啊
你没看文章？3月份上传，6月份删掉的。
问题是，要抹黑还用得着这么翻箱倒柜么？
Cotton''明明在2月份就开始炒作武毒所生物武器论了。Cotton的“证据”，又来自一月份轮子大纪元的造谣。
现在有个问题：以色列日报说美国11月就通知以色列说，武汉有疫情。CIA知道Covid19比李文亮还早。
你怎么看？
https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-alerted-israel-nato-to-disease-outbreak-in-china-in-november-report/
序列上传者可以发email要求删除 “trust based system “
看8楼
8楼的邮件明明是2020年 3月10号的，发信人（Xiao）要求NIH 删掉上传的记录。前面FT的文章说3月上传可能是笔误。3月武汉都封城一个多月了，不可能有人还会上传病毒信息。
其他的我懒得和你辩论了。
你这个 show off 的漂亮
这里是Bloom提供的可能上传时间2月15日
Science居然跟进这么快! Nature时不时还悄没声的洗个地，没眼看
那些序列上有的突变是后来没有的，说明病毒已经在人群里流传了些时间了。
我第一次在huaren上转Church的Mojiang mine的tweet 被移了版面。后来又转过一次twitter上的分析 提到丢掉的数据 被封了几周账号呢。不过其实看little_racoon那个总结就靠谱 可以把这些数据为什么重要put into context
https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2691398
跟个Jesse的tweet链接 https://twitter.com/jbloom_lab/status/1407445645502259201
Bloom’s more explosive assertion, that the Chinese researchers deleted data, is bound to intensify the debate about whether the virus originally jumped to humans from an unknown animal or somehow leaked from a laboratory. Bloom says he has no bias toward a particular origin hypothesis for SARS-CoV-2, and he agrees that the viral sequences he highlighted are a small piece of a large unfinished puzzle.
张口闭口轮子的新ID就不要现眼了
这个耳光打的好，几头舔党粉红真不是一般的恶心，
我依稀記得是2020年1月4日左右上傳的，非常早，等於是病毒序列一測出來沒幾天就上傳了。當時是作為一個科學發現積極申報，但後來北京下令未經允許不能發關於病毒源頭的國際論文，估計最初的上傳者因此受壓而申請刪除。
你知道Bloom是什么时候开始怀疑的吗
不至于故意吧……
是轮子就别怕被别人叫，不是轮子的话那么着急对号入座干嘛？ 这种完全没有证据逻辑的有罪推断，也就轮子特别喜欢干。
我不负责任的瞎猜一下 可能是2020年6月。Mojiang mine的怀疑是2020年7月。但是我记得最早的怀疑的原因是 照理说如果COVID-19的起源是华南海鲜市场的那个序列 而祖先又是石正丽提供的的蝙蝠里的病毒的话 那么新的变种应该变得离蝙蝠里的越来越远。但是随着南非等等变种的出现 大家发现为什么这些在往回（也就是往蝙蝠里的祖先）那里变呢？所以大家觉得华南海鲜市场的那个序列可能不是这次流行的最早的SARS-CoV-2的序列。
你有啥证据逻辑来证明人家是轮子啊？
新马甲你发个毒誓，如果人家不是轮子你全家🉐️新冠而死
发现舔共粉蛆现在脑子里面都是💩，自以为说别人是轮子就能让自己不战而胜，结果反而是暴露 自己弱智又心虚
Alina曾经在Twitter 里面说过她管中方研究人员要测序的原始文件，对方推推攘攘的就是不给。她后来还公开倡议凡是发这种重磅公卫相关文章的，测序文件应该自动上传。不记得她是指石正丽组还是其他组了。
就像捡了宝一样，以中美的紧张关系，有证据不用等到现在
每一个1450的键盘上都沾满了鲜血
1450是啥
被那些有任务的狼和狗们戴上某些帽子，无上光荣！
从当初五毒所最先申请专利，疫情爆发后迅速由军队生化专家接管五毒所，源头就很清晰了
你为啥不发个毒誓如果人家是轮子，你全家得新冠死。
我也不会恶毒地祝你死全家，我只骂拿钱发帖带节奏的人渣，不管是公知轮子1450还是五毛粉俎都该下地狱。你是哪根狗尾巴被踩痛了这么恶毒，疯母狗。
asian跟ccp切割吧，这大概是唯一的办法。
估计得等CCP啥时给灭了。世人对穆斯林的惧怕反感也是从ISIS灭了之后才好转的
1450键盘上沾谁的血了？
倒是五毛大外宣键盘上沾了全世界人民的血
Science这篇文章，借用好多专家的看法，把bloom批了个底朝天。
祝你在天上灭中共，简称天灭中共
传说中的蔡英文的水军。 和大外宣的budget一比，台湾小家子气得很 😂😂😂
这叫没一点热度？！你发帖几个钱，能带带我老ID吗？
这东西没啥可能偶然传错，又不是手动写进去的，只除非满足之前基因序列的病毒样本被发现，不然只有作假是最合理的解释
码农的胜利。
是呀 对lab vs natural origin有啥帮助？
还有往回变这个说法？有证据吗？
bloom最早是靠cell line passage搞出了和自然界变种很接近的变异出名的 还是算很执着的 别人就没往这个方向看
这次也是 比较细致
但是这个发现本身并没有多重要 他主要是呼吁数据的透明化 这个其实美帝做的也很不好
哈哈，蔡哪有大大那么财大气粗
粉蛆你神经病吧，我又没有说人家是轮子，为什么要发誓？
现在你和你的战友马甲们疯狗一样说别人是轮子又拿不出任何证据，
让你发个毒誓backup你自己的话就这么难？看来舔共粉蛆也知道造谣是会死全家哦
foxnews一直强调，这个病毒死亡率其实非常低，只有0.2% (Tucker在节目上亲口说的)，然后不用打疫苗，因为疫苗几乎没用 也不用戴口罩，然后中国的疫苗不好用
轮子一直强调，这个病毒是生物武器，非常毒，非常可怕，是故意投毒的 (死亡率0.2%的病毒是生物武器？) 美国的疫苗才好，必须打 这个病毒非常毒，必须得全身穿上防化服才能防
感觉完全走向了两个方向 轮子去年大选已经得罪了民主党了，youtube频道全被黄标了，这样下去恐怕连共和党也得罪了
731 ？ 请看鄙人所报道的联合国人权委员会专家一周前的质疑，如果属实，与731 是一类反人类罪行。
“联合国人权委员会专家6/14 会议对中国据传“器官采集”感到震惊，要求迅速回应 注： 此文发表后，鼓嘈不断，但是没有一个驳斥。其实这么严重的指控，我倒非常希望有反驳来否定。
https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=27167&LangID=E
中国：联合国人权专家对“器官采集”指控感到震惊
日内瓦（2021年6月14日）——联合国人权专家*今天表示，他们对被指控针对少数民族的“器官采集”感到极为震惊，这些少数民族被拘留在中国，包括法轮功学员、维吾尔族、藏族、穆斯林和基督徒。 专家们表示，他们收到了可信的信息，表明来自种族、语言或宗教少数群体的被拘留者未经知情同意，可能会被迫接受血液检测和超声波和X光等器官检查；而其他囚犯不需要接受此类检查。据报道，检查结果已登记在活器官来源数据库中，该数据库有助于器官分配。 他们说：“中国强迫摘取器官似乎针对被拘留的特定种族、语言或宗教少数群体，通常没有解释逮捕原因或在不同地点发出逮捕令。”“我们深感关切的是，有报道称囚犯或被拘留者因其种族和宗教或信仰而受到歧视性待遇。 “根据收到的指控，据报道，囚犯最常见的器官是心脏、肾脏、肝脏、角膜，以及不太常见的肝脏部分。据称，这种具有医疗性质的贩运形式涉及卫生部门的专业人员，包括外科医生、麻醉师和其他医学专家。” 联合国人权专家此前曾在2006年和2007年向中国政府提出了这个问题。不幸的是，政府的答复缺乏器官分配的等待时间或器官来源信息等数据。在这方面，缺乏可用的数据和信息共享系统是成功识别和保护贩运受害者以及有效调查和起诉贩运者的障碍。 另一个联合国人权机制也强调了对从某些宗教少数群体的囚犯身上摘取器官的做法的关切。 联合国专家表示：“尽管自愿器官捐赠系统逐渐发展，但关于中国移植器官采购过程中严重侵犯人权的信息仍在出现。” 囚犯或被拘留者是否有效地同意捐赠和器官分配，仍然缺乏独立监督。他们还表示，据报道，已故被拘留者和囚犯的家人无法认领尸体。 专家们呼吁中国迅速回应“器官采集”的指控，并允许国际人权机制进行独立监测。 特别程序任务负责人一直与中国保持联系，以加强对话。他们希望继续与中国政府进行建设性接触。”
确实分歧很大 感觉很精分
Stepping into the divisive discussion of SARS-CoV-2’s origin comes at a price, he acknowledges. “So many people have agendas and preconceived notions on this topic that if you open your mouth on the topic, someone's going to take what you've said to support or reject some particular narrative,” he says. “So the choices are either not to say anything at all, which I don't think is useful or productive, or just to try to draw the conclusions you can and make it as transparent as possible. No matter how much people like [my new study] or don't like it, or agree with the interpretation or disagree with the interpretation, they can at least go download it and repeat it themselves.”
他本来就是在呼吁透明度 这个很要紧 可惜中美都没有
uk变种也是uk开始大规模测序才发现的
不知为啥 以前拿钱站队川粉乱骂人的又有新任务了？
我认为你喜欢把嫌犯与犯错总混在一起议论，不太合适。
很简单啊，一群大妈站在美国的立场上认为土共做什么都是罪过，中国做什么都不如美国；只要意见和她们不一致就是五毛粉俎; 被骂的一方反骂轮子1450， 然后那群大妈就像被踩了狗尾巴一样什么恶毒的话都骂了。而且估计这个论坛里还真有带节奏的轮子1450和粉俎五毛。你要说站队川粉的，很多就是轮子，FLG资助了1/6的capitol hills riot, 不知情的美国人还以为是华人都支持了。
大批五毛在培训怎么才能转移话题
党媒一会说自然起源，派石正丽亲自编纂最相近的病毒序列ratg13又拿不出样本，后又扛不住压力挑选了WHO专家出报告说病毒来自于自然，赵战狼又咬说来自于某堡，等于认可是实验室起源。所以石正丽是叛徒还是WHO的报告就是个屁？这么甩只能招来更大的质疑。
你这个不但不能减刑还要加刑期才对啊。
中方不要求怎么会被删掉，你业务太不熟练了。
溯源需要中美都透明度提高 可惜都不容易