休斯顿178名不愿接种疫苗的医护人员被停职了

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parisprovence
楼主 (北美华人网)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/06/08/houston-hospital-workers-suspended-vaccine/
评论区里看老美里的小粉红比一点不比华人少啊,不少都说应当吊销这些医护的执照。
但我怎么觉得人家医护说的那么有道理呢 ....
Bridges and 116 other Houston Methodist employees sued the hospital system last month, after it made vaccination a condition of employment. The lawsuit, filed in a state court, has moved to a federal court.
“We will fight this all the way to the Supreme Court,” Bridges told the Texan on Monday. “This is wrongful termination and a violation of our rights.”
The lawsuit says Houston Methodist’s vaccine requirement violates medical ethics standards known as the Nuremberg Code, which was designed to prevent experimentation on humans who do not consent to it.
It also states that Methodist is forcing its employees to be human “guinea pigs” as a condition for continued employment,” arguing that the mandate “requires the employee to subject themselves to medical experimentation as a prerequisite to feeding their families.”
Bridges, like many other nurses and health workers refusing vaccines, has denied being an anti-vaxxer in interviews with several media outlets, and says she has received vaccinations for other diseases.
She is among the millions of Americans refusing vaccinations, citing a range of concerns and motives including what they say was a rushed process for authorizing the vaccine, a lack of comprehensive data of potential side effects, and an affront to individual freedoms. ...
Such concern was echoed by Angelina Farella — a pediatrician and member of America’s Frontline Doctors, a conservative group that has opposed mandating the experimental coronavirus vaccines — who joined the protesters Monday.
In comments to local media covering the protest, Farella said vaccine promoters are minimizing data of cases of serious adverse reactions to the inoculation, which she said have in some cases led to death. Health officials have repeatedly stated that cases of severe reactions to the vaccine are rare.
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Sandhiller60 2 hours ago Forcing someone to take non approved vaccinations is experimental, just like the Nazi doctors that were prosecuted at Nuremberg. I''ve been a nurse for 40 years In ICU and ER. I will trust my own immune system thank you. This vaccine has way too many red flags at this time for me to be willing to take it. I have just as much right to protect myself, science if you care to check on it actually doesn''t support that this vaccine is even effective.
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jjzatmac
MDZZ 密切接触病人还不打 还有理
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parisprovence
既然有将近80%的人两针都打完了
估计对于新闻也只能选择性忽视了
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/evidence-grows-stronger-covid-%20vaccine-link-heart-issue-cdc-says-n1270339

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kuangkan
害人害己,活该
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Silverwing
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/06/08/houston-hospital-workers-suspended-vaccine/
评论区里看老美里的小粉红比一点不比华人少啊,不少都说应当吊销这些医护的执照。
但我怎么觉得人家医护说的那么有道理呢 ....
Bridges and 116 other Houston Methodist employees sued the hospital system last month, after it made vaccination a condition of employment. The lawsuit, filed in a state court, has moved to a federal court.
“We will fight this all the way to the Supreme Court,” Bridges told the Texan on Monday. “This is wrongful termination and a violation of our rights.”
The lawsuit says Houston Methodist’s vaccine requirement violates medical ethics standards known as the Nuremberg Code, which was designed to prevent experimentation on humans who do not consent to it.
It also states that Methodist is forcing its employees to be human “guinea pigs” as a condition for continued employment,” arguing that the mandate “requires the employee to subject themselves to medical experimentation as a prerequisite to feeding their families.”
Bridges, like many other nurses and health workers refusing vaccines, has denied being an anti-vaxxer in interviews with several media outlets, and says she has received vaccinations for other diseases.
She is among the millions of Americans refusing vaccinations, citing a range of concerns and motives including what they say was a rushed process for authorizing the vaccine, a lack of comprehensive data of potential side effects, and an affront to individual freedoms. ...
Such concern was echoed by Angelina Farella — a pediatrician and member of America’s Frontline Doctors, a conservative group that has opposed mandating the experimental coronavirus vaccines — who joined the protesters Monday.
In comments to local media covering the protest, Farella said vaccine promoters are minimizing data of cases of serious adverse reactions to the inoculation, which she said have in some cases led to death. Health officials have repeatedly stated that cases of severe reactions to the vaccine are rare.
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Sandhiller60 2 hours ago Forcing someone to take non approved vaccinations is experimental, just like the Nazi doctors that were prosecuted at Nuremberg. I''ve been a nurse for 40 years In ICU and ER. I will trust my own immune system thank you. This vaccine has way too many red flags at this time for me to be willing to take it. I have just as much right to protect myself, science if you care to check on it actually doesn''t support that this vaccine is even effective.
parisprovence 发表于 2021-06-10 09:32

医护人员作为公民当然有不打疫苗的自由啦 医疗机构当然也有解聘的自由,为了安全考虑
各取所需
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louaci
等正式批了就会像流感疫苗那样每年强制了
霍伯森的选择
等正式批了就会像流感疫苗那样每年强制了
louaci 发表于 2021-06-10 17:40

流感没有强制
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Haribough
流感没有强制
霍伯森的选择 发表于 2021-06-10 17:45

很多医院对医护人员是强制的。
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50cents
我们尊重医院的决定,不干涉医院的内政
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umizumi
何必呢,再去找不强制的医院不就得了。道不同不相为谋。
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little_racoon
回复 1楼parisprovence的帖子
很多免疫抑制状态的病人,比如正在化疗的癌症患者或者器官移植病人对疫苗的反应是非常非常差的,这些人感染了新冠基本上就是九死一生,疫苗打了也和不打差不多,同时这些人还经常要接触医护人员。。。
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nj_guy
医护人员作为公民当然有不打疫苗的自由啦 医疗机构当然也有解聘的自由,为了安全考虑
各取所需
Silverwing 发表于 2021-06-10 17:27

是啊,没人强制他们,employment at-will,employer应该有权利选择自己的employee,只要不是基于种族,年龄,性别这些法律保护的特征,employer应该可以给出选择雇员的条件。
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Tina_tgif
回复 1楼parisprovence的帖子
如果你有家人因为接触没打疫苗的医护被传染了covid,进了icu,上了呼吸机,你还会同情这些坚持不打疫苗的医护人员吗?
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CleverBeaver
回复 1楼parisprovence的帖子
如果你有家人因为接触没打疫苗的医护被传染了covid,进了icu,上了呼吸机,你还会同情这些坚持不打疫苗的医护人员吗?
Tina_tgif 发表于 2021-06-10 18:07

医护不是铁定戴口罩的吗
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star1991
回复 1楼parisprovence的帖子
如果你有家人因为接触没打疫苗的医护被传染了covid,进了icu,上了呼吸机,你还会同情这些坚持不打疫苗的医护人员吗?
Tina_tgif 发表于 2021-06-10 18:07

你家人打了疫苗啊,打了疫苗不就不用担心被传染吗?打了也容易被传染,哪打了有什么用?
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little_racoon
回复 15楼star1991的帖子
有些免疫抑制状态下的病人对疫苗的反应是很差的,有人估计这部分人占总人口的3%左右,不是个小数字了
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greengrass12
流感没有强制
霍伯森的选择 发表于 2021-06-10 17:45

很多大学和医院都强制
华人马甲
你家人打了疫苗啊,打了疫苗不就不用担心被传染吗?打了也容易被传染,哪打了有什么用?
star1991 发表于 2021-06-10 18:20

同意,自己不打干嘛要怪别人没打。
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happy3001
你家人打了疫苗啊,打了疫苗不就不用担心被传染吗?打了也容易被传染,哪打了有什么用?
star1991 发表于 2021-06-10 18:20

有些身体有问题的病人不能打疫苗。
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hope20111
很多大学和医院都强制
greengrass12 发表于 2021-06-10 18:47

但是也可以不打流感疫苗,就是上班的时间一直戴口罩就好了,没说有解雇的
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hope20111
有些身体有问题的病人不能打疫苗。
happy3001 发表于 2021-06-10 18:47

这些没打疫苗的医院员工也可能有contraindication不能打新馆疫苗呢?
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surge
这些没打疫苗的医院员工也可能有contraindication不能打新馆疫苗呢?
hope20111 发表于 2021-06-10 19:02

那个医院有religion exemption和medical exemption的。 被停职的是两者都没有但不愿意打的。
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surge
DC和马里兰州的医院也开始要求员工打疫苗了。这样的会越来越多。
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greengrass12
但是也可以不打流感疫苗,就是上班的时间一直戴口罩就好了,没说有解雇的
hope20111 发表于 2021-06-10 19:01

我知道的是不可以不打(除非religious 和medical reason),不打就停职
木瓜瓜
从事这种profession, 还这样的stupidity... 何以治愈别人?
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lotusever
回复 25楼木瓜瓜的帖子
这么武断,生活能正常运转吗?拒绝打的人为啥不打,你都知道?就在这指责人家?
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cydblu
我打工的医院今天发信说要等fda正式批准了疫苗而不是紧急使用后强制员工打疫苗
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April4
流感没有强制
霍伯森的选择 发表于 2021-06-10 17:45

我们医院几乎是强制 工牌上要贴几几年 表示当年打了flu shot。不是医生的我们要出入医院都被要求。
流水石磨
要不,让病人自己选择?病人可以选择打过疫苗的,也可以选择没有打过疫苗的。
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Purple_car
回复 29楼流水石磨的帖子
前段时间不是有个帖子说不雇打过疫苗的吗? 当然那个肯定是极个别的
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aawolverine
他们有不打疫苗的自由,病人更有不被传染的权利
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littledotdot
医护不是铁定戴口罩的吗
CleverBeaver 发表于 2021-06-10 18:08

他们一直戴口罩,不管打了还是没打,但是没打之前他们照样会感染,口罩不万能,他们职业特殊
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littledotdot
你家人打了疫苗啊,打了疫苗不就不用担心被传染吗?打了也容易被传染,哪打了有什么用?
star1991 发表于 2021-06-10 18:20

抬杠了,小孩还特殊人群呢
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littledotdot
我们医院几乎是强制 工牌上要贴几几年 表示当年打了flu shot。不是医生的我们要出入医院都被要求。
April4 发表于 2021-06-10 21:11

flu医生打不打我倒不在意,新冠死人太多了,真怕自己面对的医生没打
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yoyo2007
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/06/08/houston-hospital-workers-suspended-vaccine/
评论区里看老美里的小粉红比一点不比华人少啊,不少都说应当吊销这些医护的执照。
但我怎么觉得人家医护说的那么有道理呢 ....
Bridges and 116 other Houston Methodist employees sued the hospital system last month, after it made vaccination a condition of employment. The lawsuit, filed in a state court, has moved to a federal court.
“We will fight this all the way to the Supreme Court,” Bridges told the Texan on Monday. “This is wrongful termination and a violation of our rights.”
The lawsuit says Houston Methodist’s vaccine requirement violates medical ethics standards known as the Nuremberg Code, which was designed to prevent experimentation on humans who do not consent to it.
It also states that Methodist is forcing its employees to be human “guinea pigs” as a condition for continued employment,” arguing that the mandate “requires the employee to subject themselves to medical experimentation as a prerequisite to feeding their families.”
Bridges, like many other nurses and health workers refusing vaccines, has denied being an anti-vaxxer in interviews with several media outlets, and says she has received vaccinations for other diseases.
She is among the millions of Americans refusing vaccinations, citing a range of concerns and motives including what they say was a rushed process for authorizing the vaccine, a lack of comprehensive data of potential side effects, and an affront to individual freedoms. ...
Such concern was echoed by Angelina Farella — a pediatrician and member of America’s Frontline Doctors, a conservative group that has opposed mandating the experimental coronavirus vaccines — who joined the protesters Monday.
In comments to local media covering the protest, Farella said vaccine promoters are minimizing data of cases of serious adverse reactions to the inoculation, which she said have in some cases led to death. Health officials have repeatedly stated that cases of severe reactions to the vaccine are rare.
....
Sandhiller60 2 hours ago Forcing someone to take non approved vaccinations is experimental, just like the Nazi doctors that were prosecuted at Nuremberg. I''ve been a nurse for 40 years In ICU and ER. I will trust my own immune system thank you. This vaccine has way too many red flags at this time for me to be willing to take it. I have just as much right to protect myself, science if you care to check on it actually doesn''t support that this vaccine is even effective.
parisprovence 发表于 2021-06-10 09:32

医院入职有协议啊,按合同办事。
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YSYS888
我觉的此时此刻打疫苗对医生来说是职业道德的一种体现吧,是为了病人的安全负责。 道德上不能强求,但医院医生双方可以at will去解决这个问题。
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hijklmn
我的关注点有点偏,一个医院有178名医护人员被停职,这医院还能正常运营?
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coalpilerd
回复 25楼木瓜瓜的帖子
这么武断,生活能正常运转吗?拒绝打的人为啥不打,你都知道?就在这指责人家?
lotusever 发表于 2021-06-10 20:18

那个拒绝疫苗的护士写了原因啊,I will trust my own immune system thank you.
她不知道什么缘故,认为她的免疫系统不用疫苗也能战胜病毒,保证零传染。问题在于那只是她的opinion,并不是经过证实的fact呀。医院里那么多免疫力低下的人,她自己感染病毒是自己活该,但是传染给病人,病人找谁说理去?
不打就别做医护这行当呗,多简单。
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shanggj
那个拒绝疫苗的护士写了原因啊,I will trust my own immune system thank you.
她不知道什么缘故,认为她的免疫系统不用疫苗也能战胜病毒,保证零传染。问题在于那只是她的opinion,并不是经过证实的fact呀。医院里那么多免疫力低下的人,她自己感染病毒是自己活该,但是传染给病人,病人找谁说理去?
不打就别做医护这行当呗,多简单。
coalpilerd 发表于 2021-06-11 10:31

那护士前些天 上过 NPR 的节目。 JJWW一堆, 说白了, 就是个 相信 conspiracy theory 的。 NPR节目后面 Methodist 医院的 CEO 出来, 直接就是一句 "some disgruntled employee."


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SRJ
回复 31楼aawolverine的帖子
医护人员接触病人的时候都带 n95. 我们那儿一个患者3月打的疫苗,5月份又得了。现在我们这些打疫苗的就是三期试验的小白鼠。