某些发展慢的淋巴癌的确确诊后不会马上开始治疗,这是网上看到的 If you have a type of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma (NHL) that grows slowly, don't be surprised if your doctor suggests you hold off treatment. It's an approach called "watch and wait," and it might be a choice for you if you don't have any pain or other symptoms.
某些发展慢的淋巴癌的确确诊后不会马上开始治疗,这是网上看到的 If you have a type of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma (NHL) that grows slowly, don't be surprised if your doctor suggests you hold off treatment. It's an approach called "watch and wait," and it might be a choice for you if you don't have any pain or other symptoms. stephilosphy00 发表于 2021-05-17 00:59
某些发展慢的淋巴癌的确确诊后不会马上开始治疗,这是网上看到的 If you have a type of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma (NHL) that grows slowly, don't be surprised if your doctor suggests you hold off treatment. It's an approach called "watch and wait," and it might be a choice for you if you don't have any pain or other symptoms. stephilosphy00 发表于 2021-05-17 00:59
生物界医药界有时确实让我们马工硬工们看不懂!!
不过我有朋友打了疫苗之后就怀上儿子,
还有一个爷爷打了疫苗孙子就录了哈弗的,
还有一个打了疫苗就选上总统的大家听说没 ,嗯?
“抑制癌症”是什么意思?
癌症就是肿瘤,肿瘤意思就是肿瘤细胞无节制增长,你抑制了无节制的增长,就相当于你口里的治好了。 无非,化学方法,放射方法,和自身,免疫,
mRNA输入依靠自身免疫系统去抑制
这年月儿子不吃香了已经
你做过的实验,你就知道各种结果啊,对于癌症病人,是一种办法,,反正死马当活马医,对于正常人,需要谨慎啊。 你见过做实验只有一种结果的? 免疫系统是长期的,一旦改变,可能很久以后才有结果
应该不能
好奇这人打的是啥
看你一直反疫苗,给个ref吧。mRNA不是每个基因都有么,什么时候成抑制癌症的了?
嗯 也有可能发烧确实增进了免疫功能 和得一次新冠类似
为什么学免疫的人不敢打针?
治疗癌症的和covid vaccine包裹的不是同一个序列。对covid vaccine最初的concern是外包裹LNP的immunogenicity,还有mRNA作为一种新的therapy长时间带来的影响的不确定性。mRNA therapy是一类therapy,不是单一的一种,就跟你吃的小分子药物,治啥病的都有,每个都是不一样的。
医药界的人自己多半也没看懂哈哈哈
mark
哈哈哈😄 赶紧让那些害怕得癌症的都去打疫苗,大牛就是这么吹出来的!
Hahaha
其实我并不觉得这种好消息对疫苗是真的好消息 。有可能通过这次大型疫苗接种带来医学进步,但这得是在人们能够控制事情发展方向的情况下。现在这样完全就是黑盒子,每个人反应都不一样,好或不好,这种uncertainty绝不是疫苗应有的效果。
反疫苗的继续秀
https://www.nfcr.org/blog/lymphoma-is-largely-gone-after-covid-19-infection-demonstrating-the-power-of-the-immune-system/
A 61‐year‐old man with stage III Hodgkin lymphoma was hospitalized for the infection of Covid-19 in the UK. He was hospitalized for 11 days and did not receive any cancer treatment. Four months later, the PET-CT scan result showed that his lymphoma was largely gone!
https://www.healthing.ca/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus/vaccine-for-coronavirus/cancer-patients-tumours-disappear-after-covid/amp
For a 61-year-old U.K. man, having COVID-19 may have helped save his life. The unidentified Cornwall man, whose case is documented in the British Journal of Haematology, was diagnosed with Hodgkin lymphoma during a checkup last summer, according to Wales Online. His week went from bad to worse a few days later when he was rushed to hospital with a severe case of COVID-19. After a gruelling 11 days of intensive care, during which he was put on oxygen to help heal his damaged lungs, the patient was discharged, fully recovered from the virus.
Correlation is lot enough, need to show causality
打疫苗以后有什么副作用先排除疫苗原因,有啥好事发生先想到疫苗。
我还听说有人打了疫苗后直接去了火星的,都不靠elon直接去的那种……
你看文章了吗,这个说的是得了covid癌症没了。想justify疫苗也不带这样的。谁也不会为了治癌症特意去得covid吧。同样,我们也不能因为有可能杀死癌细胞而去打疫苗 。 其实这正是mrna被担心的autoimmune问题的另一个方向的展现 。杀死癌细胞是好的副作用,杀死正常细胞不就是人体的损失了吗?谁能说的准免疫系统就能恰到好处的杀掉不好的细胞,而保留好的细胞,或仅有无关痛痒的影响?
找到明确的mechanism就是prove of concept也就是你说的causality。
是的,在对免疫系统和mrna机制了解并不透彻的情况下这种有一定随机性的疫苗风险不小
本来mrna研究就是用于癌症的。。。
这个是真的。我妈妈就是确诊惰性淋巴瘤八年都没采取任何‘治疗’,生活质量很高,并且肿瘤并没有怎么发展。。后来有其他方面更急性的才化疗。,
淋巴癌是这样的。很多种。霍奇金非霍奇金,急性,惰性。要不是我妈妈得过我也完全不了解
My grandma got pregnant after the covid-19 vaccine shot. I forget to say she is 70 years old.
同意一下
如果是搞外来入侵让免疫系统无差别的一下很机警 这个肯定不能多搞啊
前几年火的是基因治疗.
mRNA这个方向未来十年会越来越火,我知道一个也就三五年经验的,被三十多万年薪+股票挖到一个startup去了。
还有治白内障的药后来发现能增长睫毛。。。于是睫毛增长液出现了。。。lol
看来start up生物公司绝不能投钱。忽悠人烧钱。
怕自己的癌症被抑制吗?没看懂。
CDC说得准,哈哈
不会吧? 有点害怕 我下周打
马斯克的新公司是不是类似