https://www.timesofisrael.com/children-from-5-schools-among-israels-41-cases-of-indian-covid-strain/ Israel has identified 41 cases of the Indian COVID-19 variant, including five children as well as other cases not linked to returnees from abroad, indicating community spread, the Health Ministry said Thursday. Four of the 41 people have been fully vaccinated. According to the ministry’s statement, 24 cases of the mutated strain were found among people who returned recently from abroad, including 21 foreign residents. But 17 of those infected hadn’t been abroad, and some of them had no obvious links to someone who did, indicating that the variant is spreading undetected.
以色列是接种疫苗最普及的国家了(印象中超过60%人口至少接种了一针)，还是挡不住印度变种。现在的关键是，如果接种疫苗后感染了印度变种，那么重症率是多少。如果能明显降低重症率，那么疫苗就是有效的，否则疫苗打了白打。 以色列卫生官的最新说法是：A top health official said Wednesday that it was not clear that COVID-19 vaccines offer protection against the Indian variant, and cited this concern as a key reason why Israel must ban travel to countries with high coronavirus infection rates. 所以，大家还是不能掉以轻心，口罩和个人卫生防护不能少，先扛过了这波印度变种再说。
https://www.timesofisrael.com/children-from-5-schools-among-israels-41-cases-of-indian-covid-strain/ Israel has identified 41 cases of the Indian COVID-19 variant, including five children as well as other cases not linked to returnees from abroad, indicating community spread, the Health Ministry said Thursday. Four of the 41 people have been fully vaccinated. According to the ministry’s statement, 24 cases of the mutated strain were found among people who returned recently from abroad, including 21 foreign residents. But 17 of those infected hadn’t been abroad, and some of them had no obvious links to someone who did, indicating that the variant is spreading undetected.
以色列是接种疫苗最普及的国家了(印象中超过60%人口至少接种了一针)，还是挡不住印度变种。现在的关键是，如果接种疫苗后感染了印度变种，那么重症率是多少。如果能明显降低重症率，那么疫苗就是有效的，否则疫苗打了白打。 以色列卫生官的最新说法是：A top health official said Wednesday that it was not clear that COVID-19 vaccines offer protection against the Indian variant, and cited this concern as a key reason why Israel must ban travel to countries with high coronavirus infection rates. 所以，大家还是不能掉以轻心，口罩和个人卫生防护不能少，先扛过了这波印度变种再说。
Israel has identified 41 cases of the Indian COVID-19 variant, including five children as well as other cases not linked to returnees from abroad, indicating community spread, the Health Ministry said Thursday. Four of the 41 people have been fully vaccinated. 说明疫苗不错呀，有效率90%左右，当然样本太小，还要再看。
Israel has identified 41 cases of the Indian COVID-19 variant, including five children as well as other cases not linked to returnees from abroad, indicating community spread, the Health Ministry said Thursday. Four of the 41 people have been fully vaccinated. 说明疫苗不错呀，有效率90%左右，当然样本太小，还要再看。 nj_guy 发表于 2021-05-02 18:53
新闻不是说只有4 out of 41得 and 这41个是打过疫苗的。你这数学和英语都是外星人教的吗？
题目取得惊悚，看一下原来的新闻。人家根本没有说。其实人家还不知道有没有用。楼主就自己下结论了。 A top health official said Wednesday that it was not clear that COVID-19 vaccines offer protection against the Indian variant, and cited this concern as a key reason why Israel must ban travel to countries with high coronavirus infection rates.
Israel has identified 41 cases of the Indian COVID-19 variant, including five children as well as other cases not linked to returnees from abroad, indicating community spread, the Health Ministry said Thursday. Four of the 41 people have been fully vaccinated. 说明疫苗不错呀，有效率90%左右，当然样本太小，还要再看。 nj_guy 发表于 2021-05-02 18:53
https://www.timesofisrael.com/children-from-5-schools-among-israels-41-cases-of-indian-covid-strain/ Israel has identified 41 cases of the Indian COVID-19 variant, including five children as well as other cases not linked to returnees from abroad, indicating community spread, the Health Ministry said Thursday. Four of the 41 people have been fully vaccinated. According to the ministry’s statement, 24 cases of the mutated strain were found among people who returned recently from abroad, including 21 foreign residents. But 17 of those infected hadn’t been abroad, and some of them had no obvious links to someone who did, indicating that the variant is spreading undetected.
以色列是接种疫苗最普及的国家了(印象中超过60%人口至少接种了一针)，还是挡不住印度变种。现在的关键是，如果接种疫苗后感染了印度变种，那么重症率是多少。如果能明显降低重症率，那么疫苗就是有效的，否则疫苗打了白打。 以色列卫生官的最新说法是：A top health official said Wednesday that it was not clear that COVID-19 vaccines offer protection against the Indian variant, and cited this concern as a key reason why Israel must ban travel to countries with high coronavirus infection rates. 所以，大家还是不能掉以轻心，口罩和个人卫生防护不能少，先扛过了这波印度变种再说。
https://www.timesofisrael.com/children-from-5-schools-among-israels-41-cases-of-indian-covid-strain/ Israel has identified 41 cases of the Indian COVID-19 variant, including five children as well as other cases not linked to returnees from abroad, indicating community spread, the Health Ministry said Thursday. Four of the 41 people have been fully vaccinated. According to the ministry’s statement, 24 cases of the mutated strain were found among people who returned recently from abroad, including 21 foreign residents. But 17 of those infected hadn’t been abroad, and some of them had no obvious links to someone who did, indicating that the variant is spreading undetected.
以色列是接种疫苗最普及的国家了(印象中超过60%人口至少接种了一针)，还是挡不住印度变种。现在的关键是，如果接种疫苗后感染了印度变种，那么重症率是多少。如果能明显降低重症率，那么疫苗就是有效的，否则疫苗打了白打。 以色列卫生官的最新说法是：A top health official said Wednesday that it was not clear that COVID-19 vaccines offer protection against the Indian variant, and cited this concern as a key reason why Israel must ban travel to countries with high coronavirus infection rates. 所以，大家还是不能掉以轻心，口罩和个人卫生防护不能少，先扛过了这波印度变种再说。
Israel has identified 41 cases of the Indian COVID-19 variant, including five children as well as other cases not linked to returnees from abroad, indicating community spread, the Health Ministry said Thursday. Four of the 41 people have been fully vaccinated.
According to the ministry’s statement, 24 cases of the mutated strain were found among people who returned recently from abroad, including 21 foreign residents. But 17 of those infected hadn’t been abroad, and some of them had no obvious links to someone who did, indicating that the variant is spreading undetected.
以色列是接种疫苗最普及的国家了(印象中超过60%人口至少接种了一针)，还是挡不住印度变种。现在的关键是，如果接种疫苗后感染了印度变种，那么重症率是多少。如果能明显降低重症率，那么疫苗就是有效的，否则疫苗打了白打。
以色列卫生官的最新说法是：A top health official said Wednesday that it was not clear that COVID-19 vaccines offer protection against the Indian variant, and cited this concern as a key reason why Israel must ban travel to countries with high coronavirus infection rates.
所以，大家还是不能掉以轻心，口罩和个人卫生防护不能少，先扛过了这波印度变种再说。
以色列接种率57.7%。说明打疫苗还是有用的。41个感染里面只有4个人，有效率还是相当高的。
这说明辉瑞疫苗对印度变种的防御能力和三期结果相似， 也有90% 以上。 这是好消息
真是好消息。
只想说辉瑞只是生产，疫苗研发是BioNTech做的
你连什么是研发都不知道，还瞎扯淡。
clinical trial 也是辉瑞做的，专利里面很多也是upenn的，药品从研发到量产没有那么简单
最后疫情还没控制，就想着卸磨杀驴，这是又蠢又坏
标题有点误导。这个只能说打了疫苗不保证一定不感染。但不打疫苗感染的机率高多了。一般打了疫苗的人会放下警惕，但即使这样，这个事件说明疫苗对印度变种还是有作用的。
41例里面有24例是海外回国，应该排除。 真正community spread是5例儿童，4例成人接种疫苗，和8例成人未接种疫苗
政府买单吗！一个T够不够？哪个国家要买，赶紧点。哪个配方这么值钱过？我就真觉得有人拿这个弱智的理由来忽悠大众，背后必有阴谋！
希望如此吧。不过sample pool太小，统计意义不大。 跟踪几周的数据就能知道大概了。
擦，这个比例吓死人啊
呃，这么算的话，疫苗最多有50%的保护，前排的人白激动了。
真的是，楼里好多回复不知道是看不懂英文还是不会做算术
对照组基数一样吗？以色列打过疫苗的比没打的多。
如果不是有意曲解，就是只能看到自己想看到的东西
你没读英文吗？这24个从海外来的人里，有21个是外国人（foreign resident）。
应该把24人排除
为什么要排除这24例感染的?这些人从海外回来了多久了？是在海外感染的还是在以色列感染的？
我知道的基本都是打了疫苗才去坐飞机的
同意，pool还是太小
说明疫苗不错呀，有效率90%左右，当然样本太小，还要再看。
说50%或90%都有失偏颇。 这公布的小数据也就大概看看疫苗有没有保护，得不出百分数的。除非知道一定数目人打了疫苗有多少感染了，相似数目没打疫苗有多少感染了，而且是疫苗组和对照有相似的感染风险才去比。
你不能这么算，因为以色列成年人里面接种和没接种疫苗的比例不是1：1，现在以色列成年人的接种率都超过80%了。不过这个outbreak规模太小，其实意义不大
你 这个数学。。。即使排除了24 例，还有17例，4：13，也有百分之70 的有效率。当然我觉得根本不用排除那24个。 现在样本太少，没法得出结论。
这17个case 里有5个儿童，他们跟大人的环境和感染途径可能不一样，放在一起比不fair。另外，你注意到只有4个是“FULLY vaccinated “? 理论上只有打完第二针而且2周以后才算fully。这17个人里有多少PARTIAL的也没有说。总之，样本太少，信息不全，结论也没法说。
新闻不是说只有4 out of 41得 and 这41个是打过疫苗的。你这数学和英语都是外星人教的吗？
miaka你的英语还需要提高啊。
Four of the 41 people have been fully vaccinated.
RE. 41人里只有4个打过疫苗，怎么就得出疫苗不管用的结论的?即使不是变种，普通COVID-19，也有可能打完疫苗还感染，是不是也可以得出疫苗无效的结论呢？真的很无语。拜托有些人，不要动不动就散播焦虑好吗？
明白人
你英语好你来说说那个层主怎么得出90%有效的。
计算这么清楚，真不知道为什么版上还有这么多人不懂
因为这个计算避重就轻 根本不提无症状感染
我读的很清楚呀。 我说，原文没说这24人都是国外来的没打过疫苗的，不能是本地打过疫苗的人出门旅游又回来了么？我说错了么？ 另外，不管是这21个外国人，还是3个本地人，原文并没有说他们打没打过疫苗，为什么在计算有效率的时候，要把他们排除在外，认定4个打过疫苗的，都是没有旅行经历的17人中的？外国人就没有疫苗可打么？生活中，是不是打过疫苗的更有可能出门旅行？
还关心感染的孩子是轻症还是重症。
这标题非常misleading,和新闻说的不一样
感觉是老天要收人 变着办法收 哎
你这咋算的？？？
这又是怎么算出来的？神奇啊
最讨厌这种标题党 在这瞎制造恐慌！
They just ignore the valued info and criticize whatever they want....
8/20和4/80是中20和80是怎么来的，从哪里得来的总人数应该是100人？
以色列20% 没打疫苗， 80% 打疫苗的算法吧。 100 估计代表100% 不是100 人。
想明白了！
海外回国的为什么要排除？没有说这4个打了疫苗的感染者不是海外回国的吧？
https://m.economictimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/pharmaceuticals/existing-vaccines-effective-against-new-virus-variant/amp_articleshow/82360525.cms
已经做了研究了，辉瑞疫苗对印度变种一样有效。 别盼了，以色列和美国，都没有另外一波了
只打了1针的呢?
谢谢信息～
标题是吸引眼球用的；同样的新闻在楼主发之前已经发过了
这人的数学解释能力不强文科生看不懂。我给你个提醒。你就先按20%没打疫苗，80%打了那么8个没打疫苗的相当多少个打了疫苗的pool？ 8/0.2=40。 40*0.8=32。 这32个人中就4个得了。所以是87.5%。
如果换成4个打疫苗占80%做标准，那pool就是5个。5个人中一个没打疫苗应该得病，但中奖的有8个人。所以不打疫苗是7/8倍。
这段应该是说有41个人得病，41个得病的人中有4个人打了疫苗。按你的理解有几人得病？得病的人中有几人得了打过疫苗？