“有人真的见过上帝吗”这问题有点犯故事里人的错误，用有限的人的想象去理解无限的世界。这不是一个yes or no 的问题，我认为Karl Jung回答的最好： “Can I prove that God exists? No. Do I know that God exists? Yes.” 这里knowing不等于甚至不需要proving
“有人真的见过上帝吗”这问题有点犯故事里人的错误，用有限的人的想象去理解无限的世界。这不是一个yes or no 的问题，我认为Karl Jung回答的最好： “Can I prove that God exists? No. Do I know that God exists? Yes.” 这里knowing不等于甚至不需要proving pilingjushi 发表于 2021-04-22 10:58
这是个哲学问题，就是说世界上是否存在绝对的真善美，我相信存在 （so God exists as God is truth, goodness and beauty)，如果你说真善美不存在或只是相对存在，那是观点不同 pilingjushi 发表于 2021-04-22 10:50
<那是观点不同> Q Hillary Clinton has a new bumper sticker that is appropriate whether Democrat or Republican. It says, "Run, Hillary, Run". Democrats put it in the back...Republicans put it in the front. UQ
<那是观点不同> Q Hillary Clinton has a new bumper sticker that is appropriate whether Democrat or Republican. It says, "Run, Hillary, Run". Democrats put it in the back...Republicans put it in the front. UQ EvenOdd 发表于 2021-04-22 11:20
Democrats want Hillary to run and Republicans want to run her over?
<那是观点不同> Q Hillary Clinton has a new bumper sticker that is appropriate whether Democrat or Republican. It says, "Run, Hillary, Run". Democrats put it in the back...Republicans put it in the front. UQ EvenOdd 发表于 2021-04-22 11:20
<那是观点不同> Q European heaven: Where cooks are French, mechanics are German, police are English, lovers are Italian and everything is organized by the Swiss. European hell: Where cooks are English, mechanics are French, police are Germans, lovers are Swiss and everything is organized by the Italians. UQ
<那是观点不同> Q European heaven: Where cooks are French, mechanics are German, police are English, lovers are Italian and everything is organized by the Swiss. European hell: Where cooks are English, mechanics are French, police are Germans, lovers are Swiss and everything is organized by the Italians. UQ EvenOdd 发表于 2021-04-22 11:33
Another good story but I wonder if u got my story (u don’t have to if u don’t wanna to, I guess, my friend)
<我有个毛病：做错了什么事特爱后悔自责甚至觉得自己不可救药，这个故事告诉我人不虚心或太玩固更可怕。连“上帝”（不管你信的啥甚至啥都不信）都肯定和你想象中的不一样，人何必看任何人或事带着成见。 成见固执是自傲的表现。GET RID OF YOUR PRIDE. 这是人必须要走出的一步，不然连上帝都救不了你，这是不是更可怕，“不可救药”地可怕。> Perhaps wars or conflicts for forcing others on changes should not be initiated by God believers. As believers, I think, should wait confidently for God"s timing and way for any changes God wants/prefers.
My religion is Stoicism, believing God is the Universe/Nature, Natural Law (Spirituality), and all things (inc. Jesus) and beyond (inc. mysteries), as explained and searched by science and rationality. 我的宗教是斯多葛主义，相信上帝是宇宙/自然，自然法则（灵性), 以及万物（包括耶稣）和超越一切（包括奥秘），正如科学和理性所解释和探讨的那样。 Q PROBLEMS IN STOICISM (Long) P. 158: "Moreover the logos in man being the same logos which is the governing force of the universe, the knowledge of man and his duties cannot be complete until it comprises the universe and man's place in it. To put this in another way, as right reason is identical with God, a man will never make sufficient progress until he has conceived a right idea of God. This is what the Stoics mean by 'physis (nature)' and what they must mean by their common definition of the End for Man, i.e. to live in harmony with nature." UQ Q STOICISM IN EARLY CHRISTIANITY (Rasimus, etc) P. 24: "Seneca himself had also stated that ... For "although a man hear what limit he should observe in sacrifice ... he will never make sufficient progress until he has conceived a right idea of God."" UQ
My religion is Stoicism, believing God is the Universe/Nature, Natural Law (Spirituality), and all things (inc. Jesus) and beyond (inc. mysteries), as explained and searched by science and rationality. 我的宗教是斯多葛主义，相信上帝是宇宙/自然，自然法则（灵性), 以及万物（包括耶稣）和超越一切（包括奥秘），正如科学和理性所解释和探讨的那样。 Q PROBLEMS IN STOICISM (Long) P. 158: "Moreover the logos in man being the same logos which is the governing force of the universe, the knowledge of man and his duties cannot be complete until it comprises the universe and man's place in it. To put this in another way, as right reason is identical with God, a man will never make sufficient progress until he has conceived a right idea of God. This is what the Stoics mean by 'physis (nature)' and what they must mean by their common definition of the End for Man, i.e. to live in harmony with nature." UQ Q STOICISM IN EARLY CHRISTIANITY (Rasimus, etc) P. 24: "Seneca himself had also stated that ... For "although a man hear what limit he should observe in sacrifice ... he will never make sufficient progress until he has conceived a right idea of God."" UQ EvenOdd 发表于 2021-04-22 13:05
Ah stoicism, living in America I’m naturally more familiar w Christianity, I am sympathetic to the Catholic tradition- Thomas Aquinas “God is the unmoved mover”, I disagree strongly with evangelicals and fundamentalists, I think this story mocks these kinds of Christians, if u look from a religious angle
<我有个毛病：做错了什么事特爱后悔自责甚至觉得自己不可救药，这个故事告诉我人不虚心或太玩固更可怕。连“上帝”（不管你信的啥甚至啥都不信）都肯定和你想象中的不一样，人何必看任何人或事带着成见。 成见固执是自傲的表现。GET RID OF YOUR PRIDE. 这是人必须要走出的一步，不然连上帝都救不了你，这是不是更可怕，“不可救药”地可怕。> Perhaps wars or conflicts for forcing others on changes should not be initiated by God believers. As believers, I think, should wait confidently for God"s timing and way for any changes God wants/prefers. EvenOdd 发表于 2021-04-22 12:51
Agree most believers have that kind of problems. In fact I think this story attacks that kind of religious believers including some Christians
************** 某地发大水，大家都被劝赶快撤离，一个人说什么都不走。他说“我信上帝，我不走，我相信上帝会救我的”。
第二天水快淹到他家了，有人开车来喊他要给他接走，他说“我不走，我相信上帝，我只等上帝来救我。”
第三天水进家了，他只能躲到二楼。这时有人开着条船喊要接他走，他还是说“我不走，我相信上帝一定会来救我的！”
第四天水更高了，他只能躲上屋顶。这时有人开着直升机喊要接他走，他仍然说“我不走，我相信上帝一定会来救我.....”
结果他给淹死了。死后见到上帝他很委屈地问“万能的主啊，我生前那末信你，为什么大水来了您没救我让我白白地给淹死了呢？”
上帝回答：“谁说我没救你，是你不可救药！大水到来之前我先派人又派了车劝你接你，你都不听，水来了又派了船和飞机救你，你都无动于衷。你说你是不是不可救药？”
********* 我有个毛病：做错了什么事特爱后悔自责甚至觉得自己不可救药，这个故事告诉我人不虚心或太玩固更可怕。连“上帝”（不管你信的啥甚至啥都不信）都肯定和你想象中的不一样，人何必带着任何框框看人或事。
成见固执是自傲的表现。GET RID OF YOUR PRIDE. 这是人必须要走出的一步，不然连上帝都救不了你，这是不是更可怕，“不可救药”地可怕。
汤姆和一个牧师打高尔夫球，打到第10洞时，汤姆一杆击空，他十分不高兴地咕哝：“他妈的，我打错了。”牧师严肃地告诉他在球场上不能讲粗话；打到第11洞时，汤姆又击空了，他又气哼哼地说：“他妈的，又打错了！”牧师非常严厉地说，如果他再讲粗话，他就会请上帝用雷劈死他！打到第12洞时，汤姆仍然打空了，他气争败坏地喊：“他妈的，还是打错了！”这时，随着一道闪电，响起一声惊雷。雷过后，牧师倒在地上，从云中传来一个懊恼的声音：“他妈的，我打错了。”
上帝的仆人说到：“这些表代表着人的生命，世界上每一个人都有一块着样的表，如果他的外遇多，他的表走得就快，没有外遇表走得就慢。”
希拉克听完后向四周看了看又说道：“为何没看见我丈夫克林顿的表？”上帝的仆人说：“你丈夫的表被上帝拿到办公室当电风扇去了！
这个好笑，不过有一点嘲笑上帝的意思，我的故事是嘲笑人的，是个嘲讽一些信教的人的带有宗教色彩的故事
这故事有些年头了。
哈哈😄哈，只是克林顿的老婆叫Hillary, 中文好像是希拉里、喜莱利之类的
上帝“亲自”？那你们教堂的人解释的不对了
是的，我那天觉得自己好无可救药，听了这个故事明白了只要人能听进良言，生活多惨多糟都有救
这是个哲学问题，就是说世界上是否存在绝对的真善美，我相信存在 （so God exists as God is truth, goodness and beauty)，如果你说真善美不存在或只是相对存在，那是观点不同
“有人真的见过上帝吗”这问题有点犯故事里人的错误，用有限的人的想象去理解无限的世界。这不是一个yes or no 的问题，我认为Karl Jung回答的最好： “Can I prove that God exists? No. Do I know that God exists? Yes.” 这里knowing不等于甚至不需要proving
逻辑真奇怪。我说没人见过上帝也没跟上帝对话过，所以这个故事明明是人编的。你来一个我不相信真善美 “这个故事不是真的”= “真善美不是真的” ？ ？？ 这个故事=真善美？
我说故事是假的，没说上帝是假的 你脑补太多了，打住吧
我是学文的，可能逻辑性不强...但是所有的故事包括这个故事都是人编的，so your point?
<那是观点不同>
Q Hillary Clinton has a new bumper sticker that is appropriate whether Democrat or Republican. It says, "Run, Hillary, Run". Democrats put it in the back...Republicans put it in the front. UQ
Democrats want Hillary to run and Republicans want to run her over?
<那是观点不同>
Q European heaven: Where cooks are French, mechanics are German, police are English, lovers are Italian and everything is organized by the Swiss.
European hell: Where cooks are English, mechanics are French, police are Germans, lovers are Swiss and everything is organized by the Italians. UQ
Another good story but I wonder if u got my story (u don’t have to if u don’t wanna to, I guess, my friend)
成见固执是自傲的表现。GET RID OF YOUR PRIDE. 这是人必须要走出的一步，不然连上帝都救不了你，这是不是更可怕，“不可救药”地可怕。>
Perhaps wars or conflicts for forcing others on changes should not be initiated by God believers.
As believers, I think, should wait confidently for God"s timing and way for any changes God wants/prefers.
My religion is Stoicism, believing God is the Universe/Nature, Natural Law (Spirituality), and all things (inc. Jesus) and beyond (inc. mysteries), as explained and searched by science and rationality. 我的宗教是斯多葛主义，相信上帝是宇宙/自然，自然法则（灵性), 以及万物（包括耶稣）和超越一切（包括奥秘），正如科学和理性所解释和探讨的那样。
Q PROBLEMS IN STOICISM (Long) P. 158: "Moreover the logos in man being the same logos which is the governing force of the universe, the knowledge of man and his duties cannot be complete until it comprises the universe and man's place in it. To put this in another way, as right reason is identical with God, a man will never make sufficient progress until he has conceived a right idea of God. This is what the Stoics mean by 'physis (nature)' and what they must mean by their common definition of the End for Man, i.e. to live in harmony with nature." UQ
Q STOICISM IN EARLY CHRISTIANITY (Rasimus, etc) P. 24: "Seneca himself had also stated that ... For "although a man hear what limit he should observe in sacrifice ... he will never make sufficient progress until he has conceived a right idea of God."" UQ
Ah stoicism, living in America I’m naturally more familiar w Christianity, I am sympathetic to the Catholic tradition- Thomas Aquinas “God is the unmoved mover”, I disagree strongly with evangelicals and fundamentalists, I think this story mocks these kinds of Christians, if u look from a religious angle
Agree most believers have that kind of problems. In fact I think this story attacks that kind of religious believers including some Christians
刚想说 知道这些故事的是不是暴露年龄了 哈哈哈
Q
一、文化主旨 道家文化——遵循规律的文化
道家遵循自然规律，提倡无为而治，顺其自然，是一种尊重自然，尊重规律的文化。 二、做人标准 道家文化——领悟道法，淡泊名利
“道”是道家文化的核心，道家创始人老子认为道是世界本源，天地万物都有道而生，同时道也是存在于万物之中的普遍法则。两个互相矛盾的对立面以及对立面的相互转化都是由道完成的，只有领悟了“道”，才能更好的顺应自然。另外，“以其不争，故天下莫能与之争。”也是利用了转化思想完成的，淡泊名利，不争也是争。
三、人生观 道家文化——顺其自然、自我完善
道家的顺其自然观念就是要掌握道的法度，与自然和谐相处。这绝非简单容易之事，想要掌握道的规律就需要多思考观察和学习，自我完善。 四、世界观
道家文化——大自然是人类赖以生存的环境，重视自然界规律
道家顺其自然和无为而治的思想很大一部分就是仰仗着自然界自身所拥有的一套平衡系统，所以要重视自然界的各种规律。 五、价值观 道家文化——以自身的完善促进社会的和谐
道家在治国思想上的无为而治是一个较为理想化的治国方式，所以这就对人民的素质提出了很大的要求，注重自身的完善，才能更好的促进社会的和谐。 六、哲学倾向 道家文化——出世哲学
道家的很多思想都是偏理想化的生活，超脱凡尘俗世，不计较得失，顺其自然，淡泊名利，这些都是能让心灵沉静的思想。 七、物质食粮对精神食粮的比喻 道家文化——副食，不吃没滋味
道家文化适合取里面一些观念遵循，要完全掌握道家文化十分困难，顺其自然对于改善自己的心态有很大的好处，能有效增添生活中的幸福指数。 UQ https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2677625&fid=398