纽约地铁暴力案

changheruhailiu
楼主 (北美华人网)
隔壁楼讨论亚裔小哥在纽约地铁被暴力袭击的事,大家义愤填膺,感情非常丰富。这里讲个近40年前发生的类似案件。长话短说,1984年一个白男,没有合法枪证,在地铁上被4个AA袭击,据说是想抢他携带的电子产品。他已经被打倒在地,他拔枪射击,一个终生残废。最后白男仅仅因为非法持枪坐了8个月的牢。被打成残废的赢了民事诉讼,要白男赔偿4千3百万,但是白男一分钱都没给。
这件事里,白男犯的最大的错误就是没有跟律师沟通就直接和警察或者记者谈话。教训是对付禽兽下手一定要狠,然后记住宪法第五修正案,闭嘴!有什么事情只能先和自己的律师谈。

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_New_York_City_Subway_shooting
On December 22, 1984, four teens, Barry Allen, Troy Canty, Darrell Cabey, and James Ramseur, were shot and wounded by Bernhard Goetz on a New York City Subway train in Manhattan.[1][2][3][4] Goetz surrendered to police nine days later and was charged with attempted murderassaultreckless endangerment, and several firearms offenses. Initially Goetz was viewed by most as a victim and by some as a vigilante, and he received widespread public recognition and support. A grand jury refused to indict Goetz on the more serious charges, voting indictments only for criminal gun possession. However, public opinion about Goetz wavered due to statements and alleged damaging details of the incident that later were released by the prosecution.[5] Goetz was then re-indicted by a second grand jury on more serious charges. At a later jury trial he was found guilty of one count of carrying an unlicensed firearm, for which he served eight months of a one-year sentence. In 1996, Cabey, who had been left paraplegic and brain damaged as a result of his injuries, obtained a civil judgment of $43 million against Goetz,[6] though to date[when?] Cabey has yet to receive this money from Goetz. The incident sparked a nationwide debate on crime in major cities, the legal limits of self-defense based on Cabey being shot once or twice, and the extent to which the citizenry could rely on the police to secure their safety.[3] Goetz, dubbed the "Subway Vigilante" by the New York press, came to symbolize New Yorkers'' frustrations with the high crime rates of the 1980s. He was both praised and vilified in the media and public opinion. The incident has been cited as a contributing factor to the groundswell movement against urban crime and disorder,[7] and successful National Rifle Association campaigns to loosen restrictions for concealed carrying of firearms.[8]
triogem
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那时候带枪容易,现在不行了。
changheruhailiu
他非法带枪,申请了枪证,没批准。
hijklmn
赔偿4300万???这法官是按什么标准来评估的???对不起,跑题了。。。
changheruhailiu
赔偿4300万???这法官是按什么标准来评估的???对不起,跑题了。。。
hijklmn 发表于 2021-03-29 17:20

民事案件是1996年判的,离枪击事件已经过去了12年。对方的律师专门找了有色人种的陪审团,这个人自己也口不遮掩,说错了很多话。
A month after the shootings, Cabey's lawyers William Kunstler and Ron Kuby filed a civil suit against Goetz.[69] The civil case was tried in 1996, over eleven years later, in the Bronx, with race as the dominant theme.[70] During jury selection, Kuby asked the mostly non-white prospective jurors whether they had ever been discriminated against. Goetz admitted to previous use of racial language and to smoking PCP-laced marijuana during the 1980s.[71] Kuby portrayed Goetz as a racist aggressor; Goetz's defense was that when surrounded he reacted in fear of being again robbed and beaten. Newspaper columnist Jimmy Breslin testified that in a 1985 interview, Cabey denied his involvement in an attempted robbery, but said that Canty, Allen, and Ramseur intended to rob Goetz.[51] William Kunstler died during the trial. The jury found that Goetz had acted recklessly and had deliberately inflicted emotional distress on Cabey. Jurors stated that Goetz shooting Cabey twice was a key factor in their decision.[72] The jury awarded Cabey $43 million – $18 million for pain and suffering and $25 million in punitive damages.[72] Goetz subsequently filed for bankruptcy, saying that legal expenses had left him almost penniless. A judge of the United States Bankruptcy Court ruled that the $43 million jury award could not be discharged by the bankruptcy.[73] Asked in 2004 whether he was making payments on the judgment, Goetz responded "I don't think I've paid a penny on that", and referred any questions on the subject to his attorney.[74]
SAT
Bernie Goetz自卫那年头纽约治安尤其乱,他手毙歹徒是很大快人心的。一度有很多纽约人给自己车上贴Bumper sticker: 'I'm with Bernie. He Goetz 'em'. 但是纽约有史以来公检法系统对私人拥枪和自卫的敌视,导致他法庭上小输刑事,大输民事。
二十一
说明被打了千万自己躺平,还能有一线生机,否则还手会很不划算,就算侥幸活下来也会被判刑的,没人会同情支持。
changheruhailiu
说明被打了千万自己躺平,还能有一线生机,否则还手会很不划算,就算侥幸活下来也会被判刑的,没人会同情支持。
二十一 发表于 2021-03-29 19:46

不是,这个Bernie乱说话,自己把自己陷进去了。公民和陪审团是很支持他的,他开枪打了4个人,有个人已经躺地上装死,他跟上去检查看是装的,又补了一枪。
他在纽约买不到枪,去佛罗里达买了一把小左轮,点38口径,只能装五发子弹。这个太弱了,这么近的距离一个人都打不死。
现在防身最流行的是9毫米JHP(开花弹),半自动手枪(Sig Sauer P365, Springfield Hellcat, Smith & Wesson Shield, Glock 43x). 威力和装弹量都比当年大多了。