这才是正常的科学家做的事情，不受意识形态捆绑和影响。 key msg: 传播有各种可能的途径。 Redfield 说的是一种可能 但大部分的专家认为病毒在武汉传播一段时间，然后在12月底最终爆发。 "However, the alternative explanation, which most public health individuals go by, is that this virus was actually circulating in China, likely in Wuhan, for a month or more before they were clinically recognized at the end of December of 2019," Fauci said. 2分钟的video在下面 NY post : Fauci rejects ex-CDC director’s claim that COVID-19 came from Wuhan lab。 https://nypost.com/2021/03/26/fauci-refutes-ex-cdc-directors-claim-that-covid-came-from-lab/ 有个小细节让人心寒- 他们是怎么引用的“The alternative explanation … is that this virus was actually circulating in China, likely in Wuhan, for a month or more before they were clinically recognized at the end of December 2019,” Fauci explained. 现在舆论已经对海外华人不利了，不要推波助澜。当反华成为political correct的时候，现在已经有迹象，对于大家都不是好事。 那个发 CDC前任老板Robert Redfield认为病毒源自武汉实验室 的人，为什么看到其他不支持观点的更中立的言论就不发。 大家自己心中都有数。
Fauci addresses Redfield''''''''''''''''s comments that virus ''''''''''''''''escaped'''''''''''''''' from Wuhan lab Sat, March 27, 2021 Dr. Anthony Fauci, a top adviser to the Biden administration on the coronavirus pandemic, addressed comments that former Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Robert Redfield made on Friday. Video Transcript ANTHONY FAUCI: OK, so when you think about the possibilities of how this virus appeared in the human population, obviously, there are a number of theories. The issue that would have someone think it''''''''''''''''s possible to have escaped from a lab would mean that it essentially entered the outside human population already well-adapted to humans, suggesting that it was adapted in the lab. However, the alternative explanation, which most public health individuals go by, is that this virus was actually circulating in China, likely in Wuhan, for a month or more before they were clinically recognized at the end of December of 2019. If that were the case, the virus clearly could have adapted itself to a greater efficiency of transmissibility over that period of time, up to and at the time it was recognized. So Dr. Redfield was mentioning that he was giving an opinion as to a possibility. But again, there are other alternatives, others that most people hold by. ROCHELLE WALLENSKY: And we are looking forward to a WHO report that should be coming out soon that examines the origin of this pandemic and of SARS-CoV-2 in humans. And we''''''''''''''''ll look forward to reviewing that.
看了一下CNN 要搞的所谓6个医生的调查 ，5个都是明显Trump政府的干将，这么好甩锅trump前政府抗疫不利的机会，他们能说出什么话可以预测。 为什么没有其他独立机构的专家和医生? 这样Dr Fanci 这种中立的科学的声音就变成了少数的生意。 对， 就像NYPost 干的 “The alternative explanation … is that this virus was actually circulating in China, likely in Wuhan, for a month or more before they were clinically recognized at the end of December 2019,” Fauci explained. 现在对CNN 越来越反感了，屁股决定脑袋的事情越来越多。 Autopsy of a pandemic: 6 doctors at the center of the US Covid-19 response By Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN Chief Medical Correspondent https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/26/health/covid-war-doctors-sanjay-gupta/index.html Dr. Deborah Birx, left, Dr. Robert Kadlec, Dr. Anthony Fauci, Dr. Robert Redfield, Dr. Stephen Hahn and Dr. Brett Giroir spoke with Dr. Sanjay Gupta for "COVID WAR: The Pandemic Doctors Speak Out," which airs at 9 p.m. Sunday, March 28, on CNN. Dr. Deborah Birx, Deborah Leah Birx is an American physician and diplomat who served as the White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator under President Donald Trump from 2020 to 2021. Dr. Robert Kadlec was nominated by President Donald Trump to become Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response (ASPR), an office within Health and Human Servi Assistant Secretary of Health and Human Services for Preparedness and Response In office August 18, 2017 – January 20, 2021 Dr. Anthony Fauci Dr. Robert Redfield, - trump CDC 时期一把手 Dr. Stephen Hahn Stephen Michael Hahn is an American physician who served as the Commissioner of Food and Drugs from 2019 to 2021 Dr. Brett Giroir He last served as the 16th Assistant Secretary for Health under the Trump administration from February 15, 2018 to January 19, 2021.
看了一下CNN 要搞的所谓6个医生的调查 ，5个都是明显Trump政府的干将，这么好甩锅trump前政府抗疫不利的机会，他们能说出什么话可以预测。 为什么没有其他独立机构的专家和医生? 这样Dr Fanci 这种中立的科学的声音就变成了少数的生意。 对， 就像NYPost 干的 “The alternative explanation … is that this virus was actually circulating in China, likely in Wuhan, for a month or more before they were clinically recognized at the end of December 2019,” Fauci explained. 现在对CNN 越来越反感了，屁股决定脑袋的事情越来越多。 请允许我爆一下粗口，垃圾 CNN，垃圾媒体，XXXX！
Autopsy of a pandemic: 6 doctors at the center of the US Covid-19 response By Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN Chief Medical Correspondent https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/26/health/covid-war-doctors-sanjay-gupta/index.html Dr. Deborah Birx, left, Dr. Robert Kadlec, Dr. Anthony Fauci, Dr. Robert Redfield, Dr. Stephen Hahn and Dr. Brett Giroir spoke with Dr. Sanjay Gupta for "COVID WAR: The Pandemic Doctors Speak Out," which airs at 9 p.m. Sunday, March 28, on CNN. Dr. Deborah Birx, Deborah Leah Birx is an American physician and diplomat who served as the White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator under President Donald Trump from 2020 to 2021. Dr. Robert Kadlec was nominated by President Donald Trump to become Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response (ASPR), an office within Health and Human Servi Assistant Secretary of Health and Human Services for Preparedness and Response In office August 18, 2017 – January 20, 2021 Dr. Anthony Fauci Dr. Robert Redfield, - trump CDC 时期一把手 Dr. Stephen Hahn Stephen Michael Hahn is an American physician who served as the Commissioner of Food and Drugs from 2019 to 2021 Dr. Brett Giroir He last served as the 16th Assistant Secretary for Health under the Trump administration from February 15, 2018 to January 19, 2021.
"However, the alternative explanation, which most public health individuals go by, is that this virus was actually circulating in China, likely in Wuhan, for a month or more before they were clinically recognized at the end of December of 2019," 这个并不是 alternative explanation啊。病毒在武汉传播一段时间我们知道。问题是是什么源头导致在武汉传播？ 福奇说的这个事和病毒来源属于时间前后关系，并不是alternative path. 放这个烟幕弹这是收了TG钱了吧。
回复 35楼carminefern的帖子 我解释什么了？ facts都在那边，大家都是成年人。我这是给大家提供便利。你不理解算了。 另外，Fauci 自己说的 “however, most ”，since you are very fluent in English, you should know what he means. I was just quoting him. 第三段关于CNN的是后面的补充帖子，刚好看到CNN那边的报告，是不是和现在媒体普遍做政治正确的事情有关联？我对CNN不满，恨其不争，言辞有些激烈，下次会注意。
这才是正常的科学家做的事情，不受意识形态捆绑和影响。 key msg: 传播有各种可能的途径。 Redfield 说的是一种可能 但大部分的专家认为病毒在武汉传播一段时间，然后在12月底最终爆发。 "However, the alternative explanation, which most public health individuals go by, is that this virus was actually circulating in China, likely in Wuhan, for a month or more before they were clinically recognized at the end of December of 2019," Fauci said. 2分钟的video在下面 NY post : Fauci rejects ex-CDC director’s claim that COVID-19 came from Wuhan lab。 https://nypost.com/2021/03/26/fauci-refutes-ex-cdc-directors-claim-that-covid-came-from-lab/ 有个小细节让人心寒- 他们是怎么引用的“The alternative explanation … is that this virus was actually circulating in China, likely in Wuhan, for a month or more before they were clinically recognized at the end of December 2019,” Fauci explained. 现在舆论已经对海外华人不利了，不要推波助澜。当反华成为political correct的时候，现在已经有迹象，对于大家都不是好事。 那个发 CDC前任老板Robert Redfield认为病毒源自武汉实验室 的人，为什么看到其他不支持观点的更中立的言论就不发。 大家自己心中都有数。
Fauci addresses Redfield''''''''''''''''s comments that virus ''''''''''''''''escaped'''''''''''''''' from Wuhan lab Sat, March 27, 2021 Dr. Anthony Fauci, a top adviser to the Biden administration on the coronavirus pandemic, addressed comments that former Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Robert Redfield made on Friday. Video Transcript ANTHONY FAUCI: OK, so when you think about the possibilities of how this virus appeared in the human population, obviously, there are a number of theories. The issue that would have someone think it''''''''''''''''s possible to have escaped from a lab would mean that it essentially entered the outside human population already well-adapted to humans, suggesting that it was adapted in the lab. However, the alternative explanation, which most public health individuals go by, is that this virus was actually circulating in China, likely in Wuhan, for a month or more before they were clinically recognized at the end of December of 2019. If that were the case, the virus clearly could have adapted itself to a greater efficiency of transmissibility over that period of time, up to and at the time it was recognized. So Dr. Redfield was mentioning that he was giving an opinion as to a possibility. But again, there are other alternatives, others that most people hold by. ROCHELLE WALLENSKY: And we are looking forward to a WHO report that should be coming out soon that examines the origin of this pandemic and of SARS-CoV-2 in humans. And we''''''''''''''''ll look forward to reviewing that.
NY post : Fauci rejects ex-CDC director’s claim that COVID-19 came from Wuhan lab。 https://nypost.com/2021/03/26/fauci-refutes-ex-cdc-directors-claim-that-covid-came-from-lab/ 有个小细节让人心寒- 他们是怎么引用的“The alternative explanation … is that this virus was actually circulating in China, likely in Wuhan, for a month or more before they were clinically recognized at the end of December 2019,” Fauci explained.
现在舆论已经对海外华人不利了，不要推波助澜。当反华成为political correct的时候，现在已经有迹象，对于大家都不是好事。 那个发 CDC前任老板Robert Redfield认为病毒源自武汉实验室 的人，为什么看到其他不支持观点的更中立的言论就不发。 大家自己心中都有数。
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Fauci addresses Redfield''''''''''''''''s comments that virus ''''''''''''''''escaped'''''''''''''''' from Wuhan lab Sat, March 27, 2021
Dr. Anthony Fauci, a top adviser to the Biden administration on the coronavirus pandemic, addressed comments that former Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Robert Redfield made on Friday. Video Transcript ANTHONY FAUCI: OK, so when you think about the possibilities of how this virus appeared in the human population, obviously, there are a number of theories. The issue that would have someone think it''''''''''''''''s possible to have escaped from a lab would mean that it essentially entered the outside human population already well-adapted to humans, suggesting that it was adapted in the lab. However, the alternative explanation, which most public health individuals go by, is that this virus was actually circulating in China, likely in Wuhan, for a month or more before they were clinically recognized at the end of December of 2019. If that were the case, the virus clearly could have adapted itself to a greater efficiency of transmissibility over that period of time, up to and at the time it was recognized. So Dr. Redfield was mentioning that he was giving an opinion as to a possibility. But again, there are other alternatives, others that most people hold by. ROCHELLE WALLENSKY: And we are looking forward to a WHO report that should be coming out soon that examines the origin of this pandemic and of SARS-CoV-2 in humans. And we''''''''''''''''ll look forward to reviewing that.
你自己还不是从中国传播来美国的？
精辟，佩服
还有个洗法， 就是川普政府抗疫失败，死了这么多人， 所以，所以， 党妈干得那些糗事儿，基本上可以全忽略， 仿佛从来不存在， 哈哈哈
Autopsy of a pandemic: 6 doctors at the center of the US Covid-19 response By Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN Chief Medical Correspondent https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/26/health/covid-war-doctors-sanjay-gupta/index.html Dr. Deborah Birx, left, Dr. Robert Kadlec, Dr. Anthony Fauci, Dr. Robert Redfield, Dr. Stephen Hahn and Dr. Brett Giroir spoke with Dr. Sanjay Gupta for "COVID WAR: The Pandemic Doctors Speak Out," which airs at 9 p.m. Sunday, March 28, on CNN.
Dr. Deborah Birx, Deborah Leah Birx is an American physician and diplomat who served as the White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator under President Donald Trump from 2020 to 2021. Dr. Robert Kadlec was nominated by President Donald Trump to become Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response (ASPR), an office within Health and Human Servi Assistant Secretary of Health and Human Services for Preparedness and Response In office August 18, 2017 – January 20, 2021 Dr. Anthony Fauci Dr. Robert Redfield, - trump CDC 时期一把手 Dr. Stephen Hahn Stephen Michael Hahn is an American physician who served as the Commissioner of Food and Drugs from 2019 to 2021 Dr. Brett Giroir He last served as the 16th Assistant Secretary for Health under the Trump administration from February 15, 2018 to January 19, 2021.
每天在这里上蹿下跳的五毛会不会很失望，你们天天说的轮子，其实是这里正常的普通人，是大家普遍的看法。你在这混了这么久还没看明白吗？
猪流感不是从美洲传出去的吗？就算从中国传出去又怎样呢？
在别人眼里，都是
哪里有邪恶，哪里就有ＣＮＮ， 不管是五毛还是轮子，都恨死ＣＮＮ了。
这个并不是 alternative explanation啊。病毒在武汉传播一段时间我们知道。问题是是什么源头导致在武汉传播？
福奇说的这个事和病毒来源属于时间前后关系，并不是alternative path. 放这个烟幕弹这是收了TG钱了吧。
看看您自己昨天的发言，啪啪打脸了还这么乐
FAUCI什么时候变成轮子的？轮子真是能瞎编。
艾滋病疫苗可是美国研究的主攻啊。我建议全世界P3实验室全部公开实验室日志，支持不支持？
Dr. fauci,去年反智我骂过他，但今天这番话作为一科学家求实态度，还是值得尊敬的。
其实无论哪里起源，如何传播的，在没有实证前，政治化毫无用处。全世界应当以求实的态度去研究，去发展新的应对疫苗，技术，甚至配套防御措施， 这些才是真正一个国家首领，一个政府的管理者应当做的事情。
没错，这就是我的观点，大方承认。下回再有这种事，及时控制，做一个负责任的大国，就好了。
如果真要核查实验室，应当全世界所有P3, P4全部封存，全面检查所有日志，库存。当然，如果达成这个协议，我支持从中国开始先查。
看看历史上，认错可不容易。 邹忌讽齐王纳谏，触龙说赵太后，唐太宗纳谏魏征，都不容易。 60/70年代为什么不能说任何老毛的不好，你知道的。
没有这点本事，怎么可能做几朝元老。
现实生活中，做到高位的，基本也是这样的人，没有必要愤怒。但我完全同意你，可惜的是，越是高位的人，越不是这样的人。
不好意思，五毛的锅盖我不想背。对BJ造神无感。 媒体现在为了眼球经济，越来越没下限。你喜欢CNN，不想独立思考, 你自去也是你的自由。
白菜， 我已经问了你几次， 大陆活择器官的这个
哈哈，精辟！ 街头袭击亚裔的红脖子BLM个个表示深以为然也。
我觉得 独运轮、１４５０们应该结队去美国街头集体自掌嘴吧，谢罪！
楼主你发这种帖子之前记住：这论坛里的人都懂英文，而且网络上什么信息都能查得到。 你发的视频也好，媒体文章也好，都跟你那些含糊其辞的解释没啥关系。 福奇只是提了目前科学家当中几种猜测，他自己没有确定任何一种，他否定的只是之前那位专家说的并不是一个确定的claim,而也只是其中一种推测。 另外你要想装出一副理智中立的姿态，就不要第三段就开始夹带私货了好吧？
我解释什么了？ facts都在那边，大家都是成年人。我这是给大家提供便利。你不理解算了。
另外，Fauci 自己说的 “however, most ”，since you are very fluent in English, you should know what he means. I was just quoting him.
第三段关于CNN的是后面的补充帖子，刚好看到CNN那边的报告，是不是和现在媒体普遍做政治正确的事情有关联？我对CNN不满，恨其不争，言辞有些激烈，下次会注意。
好的，我会看一下，把这个问题稍晚一些时间答复一下
理论上存在的0号病人那么容易找到？ 大家公认12月底武汉确认病毒存在之前已经流行一阵子了，更难。 何况新冠现在看来无症状或者症状轻微的远比症状严重必须住院的多得多。也就是说新冠病人第一个引起医院注意之前感染的人应该已经很多了，大部分都自愈或者当感冒抗过去了，根本不会去医院。除非0号病人是一个重症还去了医院并被医院确诊。否则恐怕永远无法确定所谓的0号病人！
你觉得0号病人那么好找，按你的想当然思维，其他国家自然是在武汉确认以后才有0号病人，那么美国欧洲哪个敢说自己铁定知道哪一个是自己国家的0号病人吗？显然不能。 严格的科学意义上来讲，各国都只可能知道自己记录到的第一个被确诊的病人而已。
所以，你的质疑屁的意义都没有！
再补充一点，所谓的销毁最初病毒样本，根本没有这回事。 阴谋论搞多了？货轮上的小孩咋样了？希拉里饿着了没有？
谢谢。对于基于事实的讨论是有益的。对于基于观点而无证据的讨论是鸡同鸭讲，对大家都没有好处。
这个不是理论问题，请看去年1月的BBC报道，中国医生对首例病人的报告，起码这是最早的病人之一。
“中国正在努力遏制新冠病毒肺炎的蔓延，但这场疫情究竟从何而起仍迷雾重重。一名曾参与救治目前公众所知的首例新冠病患的医生对BBC说，这名病患是一名70多岁患病在家的脑梗塞患者。 这是该名早期病患的信息首次获得公开。他被认为于12月1日发病，比武汉官方此前通报的12月8日发病的患者提早了近一周。值得关注的是，他没有华南海鲜市场的暴露史。 武汉华南海鲜市场内的野生动物交易一直被怀疑是导致疫情的罪魁祸首，但这名老人的经历正为该结论带来挑战。一些学者和舆论质疑，病毒是否有潜在的其他源头。”
我说的是已知的零号病人，你在这讨论理论上的零号病人？咱们说的是一会事吗？那个已知的零号病人是个瘫痪在家的老人，他现在怎么样了？他可能在哪里染的病？你党早知道了，就是不说，WHY？？？？？
可笑，你知道啊
刚开始他说这个我也挺反感的，也许病毒不是他所想象的那么厉害。一开始他说只要勤洗手就可以了。
我上一贴说的BBC 报道与你说的应当是同一个人？ 他们后来报告给WHO 了吗？
不是中国传出，哪里传出？就是中国政府的无赖，造成世界范围的亚裔华裔连带遭殃。
你还有智商嘛，明白理论0号和记录0号病人区别嘛。 只有理论0号病人才能确定病毒是从哪儿感染到人类的对吧?你才有机会对你想定罪的人定罪对吧？
不是理论第一个被感染的人，0号被记录到的病人，是1日还是8日有什么区别？你党妈为什么一定要隐瞒1号的那个，如果真的存在的话？
一个0号被记录到的病人，也不见得就是0号被感染的，潜伏期有长短知道不！人类目前的能力只能做到确切知道何时确诊，啥时候发病就已经很主观只有参考价值了，知道何时感染只能推测为从确诊前到已知的最大潜伏期。台湾刚刚确诊 一个入境122天的境外输入病人人，按他们说法潜伏期可以大于122天了，哈哈
我查了了下，20年 的时候被媒体报道出来的最早病人，远不止让你兴奋的1日和8日这两个版本，欧洲甚至都有比这两个日期更早的推测。那个时候不同的研究者根据自己掌握的资料发的不同的版本多如牛毛，不同的媒体采访的不同医生病人流调人员得到的说法更多！
你能据此就断定中国只是隐瞒了1日的那个报道，说少了，难道你是在为你党妈推卸责任么！笑话！
美国去年， 官方的总统CDC专家，媒体关于疫情风险，病毒会随着天气变暖神奇的消失，消毒液强光治病，口罩，治疗药物羟氯喹，轮子的希望，疫苗等等的混乱说法还少么？ 按照你的思路，是在隐瞒混肴什么？是不是 根本就在有计划的想淘汰55万老弱病残穷，并且现在还在阴谋扩大战果？
理论0号这个提法，是你创造的还是哪个学术文献中首次出现的？
这又不是什么科学概念，需要文献支持么！
理论上肯定存在第一个被感染者，即使几个人同时接触了某个动物并感染了其中几个人，理论上这几个人也会有先后，但这个先后就没有传染病研究的价值了。知道了是那一天从那个动物跨越到人类足够了。 对未知传染病，人类绝大多数情况是永远无法确切知道发生在谁身上发生在何时的，这是明摆着的，只能尽量往前溯源，那个极限就是理论0号。 我不是查什么文献这么说的，只是根据科研 的一般习惯临时组织了个词。不可以？
什么“理论0号”看来是你编造出来的，我也可以随意说个“中国0号”， 你应当没有任何科学训练，就是为政治洗地而洗地。谢谢。
你看得懂我说的话不，看懂了也必须腆着脸造谣啊！ 你以为我会是要说服你这样的？ 让你们丢丑足够了。
你为什么要把大陆来的人等同与病毒？比川普还狠
你说人家是五毛，人家就是五毛。你说人家是普通人，人家就是普通人。都是你说了算吗？
没有错，咱们这些从中国来的，大部分的确自带“病毒”，在民主自由的国家，却拥护一个专制独裁的政权，享受着民主自由的好处，却支持反人类的政权统一自由的台湾香港，助纣为虐，不是病毒是什么。
那要是没销毁，可否把序列号公布出来呗。凭什么你一张嘴，就得是金科玉律。
非常有道理，精神病院里的病人都觉得自己是正常人，只有医生不正常
外星球传来的。不过这么洗，只会让人更加反感。错误出了，不敢承认错误，是为了犯下一次错误吗？没点人性
还真不是，周围的朋友对中国有意见，知道有不足的地方，但基本上没这么不带脑子，逢中必反，跪舔的自恨党，还就网上看到这么多奇葩，所以你就少代表普通人了
是那个先说不要戴口罩，又说打了疫苗还要带两层口罩的吗？
真科学！！
说实话，科学这俩字，也就是骗骗没文化的
真是无语了，只能送你二字 傻x