看Google全球员工开始组建工会,版上的码工考虑加入类似的工会吗?

公用马甲4
楼主 (北美华人网)
谷歌的员工只是开始建Alphabet Workers Union(AWU)工会,看新闻说发展势头还是挺快的。
那未来如果有North America Digital Workers Union(北美数字劳工工会)这种组织的话,大家会考虑加入吗?
liucoan
这工会能管资本家滥让员工加班的情况吗?
Hesterhql
资本家最怕工会了 当然加入啦
liucoan
资本家最怕工会了 当然加入啦
Hesterhql 发表于 2021-01-25 11:26

码工加入工会的,真不怕老板给穿小鞋吗?
花衣裳
非要把这些高科技公司作成那些车厂吗
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seven11
码工工会看来是一定会出现的。传统行业工会盛行就是因为就业门槛低,为了保护工人不被循环利用而出现的东西。现在码工白菜化了,出现工会也是大势所趋,特别是老年码工应该欢迎工会。
liucoan
非要把这些高科技公司作成那些车厂吗
花衣裳 发表于 2021-01-25 11:31

听上去不好听,但实际上码工们在职场遇到的问题,和车间工人遇到的也没本质区别。
liucoan
码工工会看来是一定会出现的。传统行业工会盛行就是因为就业门槛低,为了保护工人不被循环利用而出现的东西。现在码工白菜化了,出现工会也是大势所趋,特别是老年码工应该欢迎工会。
seven11 发表于 2021-01-25 11:34

这次谷歌的有些员工站出来挑战管理层,主要是好些都是技术大拿,谷歌开了,随便可以找个好工作。
但一整出动静来,谷歌也不敢轻易下手。现在加拿大和欧洲的谷歌员工都开始跟进了。
happy3001
以后更要去国外招聘员工了。资本国际化的今天靠工会跟资本家对抗,难。
manduka
996中国IT业有工会吗
Gooood
工会就是为了避免内卷 如果我是老板 不喜欢 但是如果我是打工的 为啥不入
liucoan
以后更要去国外招聘员工了。资本国际化的今天靠工会跟资本家对抗,难。
happy3001 发表于 2021-01-25 11:40

这也正是码工组建工会的一个原因啊。再不保护自己的饭碗,以后全被抢走了。否则未来40多岁的码工,和40多岁的码头工人一样下场啊。
brightier
Amazon最近在反对工会用mail in ballot投票。选总统都可以为什么工会不能用? 希望google工会能把mail in ballot明确写在章程里
audrey_fairy
Amazon最近在反对工会用mail in ballot投票。选总统都可以为什么工会不能用? 希望google工会能把mail in ballot明确写在章程里
brightier 发表于 2021-01-25 11:53

谷歌的工会具体投什么票啊?
audrey_fairy
Exclusive: Google workers across the globe announce international union alliance to hold Alphabet accountable Alpha Global includes workers from 10 countries, including the United States and Germany
Google workers across the world are coming together to form a global union alliance. The newly formed coalition, called Alpha Global, is comprised of 13 different unions representing workers in 10 countries, including the United States, United Kingdom, and Switzerland.
The announcement comes weeks after workers in the US and Canada launched the Alphabet Workers Union (AWU), a minority union affiliated with the Communications Workers of America. AWU grew from 230 members to more than 700 within a week after it launched.
Alpha Global is affiliated with the UNI Global Union, a federation of labor unions representing 20 million people worldwide, including workers at Amazon.
“We know that organizing for justice at a global company like Alphabet does not stop at national boundaries,” said Parul Koul, executive chair of the Alphabet Workers Union and a Google software engineer, in a statement. “That is why it is so important to unite with workers in other countries. In a world where inequality is tearing apart, our societies and corporations are hoarding more influence than ever, reclaiming our power through our unions has never been more important.”
Minority unions like AWU get their power by building worker solidarity. The structure allows AWU to include Google contractors as well as full-time employees, but it also means the union isn’t currently recognized by the National Labor Relations Board, and can’t force Google management to negotiate.
Similarly, Alpha Global will gain power by uniting Google workers in different countries. The coalition won’t have a legally binding agreement with the company, at least to start. Down the road, it may try to pressure Google to sign a neutrality agreement — a contract that forces Google to support attempts to unionize — although it’s doubtful the company would agree to such terms.
Signing a neutrality agreement also might not be necessary for Alpha Global to force change. In 2020, UNI Global Union helped to organize the Make Amazon Pay campaign, an international Black Friday strike that garnered support from more than 400 lawmakers. The federation does not have a legal agreement in place with Amazon — it’s gained power by uniting workers across the globe.
“The problems at Alphabet — and created by Alphabet — are not limited to any one country, and must be addressed on a global level,” says UNI general secretary Christy Hoffman. “The movement launched by tech workers at Google and beyond is inspiring. They are using their collective muscle to not only transform their conditions of employment but also to address social issues caused by increasing concentration of corporate power.”
Now that it is public, Alpha Global will elect a steering committee, which could include workers from Google as well as union organizers.
Alpha Global organizers say they plan to tackle national issues, like the treatment of content moderators in certain countries, as well as international concerns, like workers being forced to sign nondisclosure agreements. In total, the alliance includes unions from the United States, Switzerland, Ireland, the United Kingdom, Italy, Germany, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, and Belgium.
“The power of these global tech companies is such that they’re in every part of our lives,” says Fionnuala Ní Bhrógáin, an organizer with the Communications Workers’ Union in Ireland. “If they’re acting in this way nearly entirely unchecked by governments then there is no hold on what they can do. That power needs to be checked, and it’s only through collective action that workers are able to do that.”
Alpha Global is yet another sign that the fight to unionize tech workers is accelerating. If it’s successful, it could provide a template for workers at other tech giants — to find solidarity not just within a single country, but at offices and warehouses around the globe.
lovejake
那基本这个公司就要开始走下坡路了
mymyah
码工加入工会的,真不怕老板给穿小鞋吗?
liucoan 发表于 2021-01-25 11:29

老板是谁?你的manager吗?他们也是雇员。至于真正的老板,怕是根本不可能认识你的老板吧
anye
谷歌的员工只是开始建Alphabet Workers Union(AWU)工会,看新闻说发展势头还是挺快的。
那未来如果有North America Digital Workers Union(北美数字劳工工会)这种组织的话,大家会考虑加入吗?
公用马甲4 发表于 2021-01-25 11:18

你知道要交钱的么?呵呵
vsfan
I think managers are excluded, only ICs can join?
lokiii
即使在google, 大部分人也是反工会的. 一个几万的人大厂怎么可能被几百个人代表了
Pompom
为啥只有码工建工会, 其他白领工作,金融,咨询,法律,药厂之类的都没有? 这类工作也外包了很多岗位
xml
哈哈肯定搞不起来,可以打赌
fino819
工会一成立,Google的pay 将比照有工会的汽车厂。
squirrel40
肯定加入啊。对于个人,收益远大于支出啊
fitzroy
加拿大30%加入公会,我每年公会会员费交1000多, 比美国法国10%高, 和英国,意大利30%左右差不多 比瑞典丹麦挪威70%低不少
anye
肯定加入啊。对于个人,收益远大于支出啊
squirrel40 发表于 2021-01-25 15:08

"Of the roughly 227 workers who have so far signed on to support the union, they have all committed to set aside 1% of the yearly compensation to go toward union dues. Those dues will be used to help compensate folks for lost wages in the event of a strike. The bulk of the workers who have signed on are mostly based in offices in the San Francisco Bay Area and one in Cambridge."
You will be absolutely an moron to join such cult for a course that essentially goes "be careful what you wish for".
fino819
"Of the roughly 227 workers who have so far signed on to support the union, they have all committed to set aside 1% of the yearly compensation to go toward union dues. Those dues will be used to help compensate folks for lost wages in the event of a strike. The bulk of the workers who have signed on are mostly based in offices in the San Francisco Bay Area and one in Cambridge."
You will be absolutely an moron to join such cult for a course that essentially goes "be careful what you wish for".
anye 发表于 2021-01-25 15:25

Google会关闭加州Office,在德州再招人开一个的😂😂
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wacxg
Google会关闭加州Office,在德州再招人开一个的😂😂
fino819 发表于 2021-01-25 15:26

walmart 就这样,哪里建工会,宁可关闭这个店。以后google可以国外建立更多办公场所,湾区的慢慢关闭嘛,看看谁倒霉。美国工会如同中国党支部,不觉得有什么积极意义。除非政府员工,资本家干嘛惯毛病。
Johnwang2000
工作就会慢慢移走,工会就是美国工作减少的原因之一
花衣裳
现在的竞争是全球化的,工会会大大降低公司的竞争力,最后公司倒了对谁都没有好处。工人需要保护那就完善劳动法,不需要工会这种会发展成毒瘤的机构。
fino819
以后remote工作了。Google真不需要在美国这么多人。可以全世界招人,美国只留director级别的就好了。
c
charyyu
工会表面上是调和公司和员工的矛盾,实际上是加深矛盾。
trymeagain
亚马逊最应该建工会。
manduka
walmart 就这样,哪里建工会,宁可关闭这个店。以后google可以国外建立更多办公场所,湾区的慢慢关闭嘛,看看谁倒霉。美国工会如同中国党支部,不觉得有什么积极意义。除非政府员工,资本家干嘛惯毛病。
wacxg 发表于 2021-01-25 15:34

agree
manduka
工会会大大降低公司的竞争力,最后公司倒了对谁都没有好处。
including CCP
lokiii
现在的竞争是全球化的,工会会大大降低公司的竞争力,最后公司倒了对谁都没有好处。工人需要保护那就完善劳动法,不需要工会这种会发展成毒瘤的机构。
花衣裳 发表于 2021-01-25 15:52

exactly.
google内部讨论基本大多数人都是反对工会的, 觉得就那几百个人瞎折腾拒绝被这几百人个代表. 也外面煞有介事的讨论得这么火热, 还什么因为工会关闭湾区的site关闭美国的site外包, 纯粹搞笑.
yanhren
google不愿意的话直接封了工会领导人的电子邮箱就行了,twitter封了账号,facebook封了群组就好了,多大点事!
几个打工的真以为自己能闹起多大波浪一样。
hive
工会真是拖后腿的一个组织,见过工会会员滥用工会跟manager和hr搞事的
momosun
码工加入工会的,真不怕老板给穿小鞋吗?
liucoan 发表于 2021-01-25 11:29

你能直接汇报给sundar么?还是你和Larry page说得上话?到时候你manger要是工会的你不是,你怕不怕被穿小鞋?
Biden
为啥只有码工建工会, 其他白领工作,金融,咨询,法律,药厂之类的都没有? 这类工作也外包了很多岗位
Pompom 发表于 2021-01-25 14:34


德国各行各业都有工会组织啊.
walmart 就这样,哪里建工会,宁可关闭这个店。以后google可以国外建立更多办公场所,湾区的慢慢关闭嘛,看看谁倒霉。美国工会如同中国党支部,不觉得有什么积极意义。除非政府员工,资本家干嘛惯毛病。
wacxg 发表于 2021-01-25 15:34

政府很多员工又懒又笨,就是因为有工会照着,照样横着走。前一阵老川发EO要把政府员工解雇程序简化,被骂了个半死。那份EO的生效期在他卸任之后,不知道程序上来说算不算数,没听说拜登把它废了。
fitzroy
现在一些华人还是100年前排华时那种心态,没有任何一点长进。
总是替资本家着想,皇上不急急太监。 爱尔兰工人要缩短工作时间,华人说我愿意周末干活,爱尔兰工人为增加工资罢工,华人告密,然后自告奋勇,最后酿成100年排华。
瑞典,挪威,丹麦,都是70%工会,仍然是世界最富裕国家。
一些华人只会像中餐馆那样996恶性竞争,最长工时,最低收入,还被人鄙视。
huaren015
为啥只有码工建工会, 其他白领工作,金融,咨询,法律,药厂之类的都没有? 这类工作也外包了很多岗位
Pompom 发表于 2021-01-25 14:34

医生有工会。所以医学院毕业出来不能执业。希望码工工会不要变身卡码工职业机会的机构,将信息学位都变废了。
huaren015
现在的竞争是全球化的,工会会大大降低公司的竞争力,最后公司倒了对谁都没有好处。工人需要保护那就完善劳动法,不需要工会这种会发展成毒瘤的机构。
花衣裳 发表于 2021-01-25 15:52

re
ego
参加工会的都是non exempt的hourly paid的员工吧,马工码婆都是non exempt,不太了解工会怎么保护权益。
Lavender_tutu
bingo
badgerbadger
听上去不好听,但实际上码工们在职场遇到的问题,和车间工人遇到的也没本质区别。
liucoan 发表于 2021-01-25 11:37

同意lol 说得好像车场工人和码农有啥区别一样,车场工人在当时也是pay得超好,而且也是需要技术的。各行各业互相鄙视来鄙视去有意思吗,还不是资本家的螺丝钉。
789
这也正是码工组建工会的一个原因啊。再不保护自己的饭碗,以后全被抢走了。否则未来40多岁的码工,和40多岁的码头工人一样下场啊。
liucoan 发表于 2021-01-25 11:43

问题是通用汽车的公会为了保护自己饭碗而最后砸了自己饭碗。
张国荣
Google 不是养老公司吗?为啥他们需要工会?
tiffany2013
那基本这个公司就要开始走下坡路了
lovejake 发表于 2021-01-25 12:49

这些公司应该严于律己,不能光用理性主义大道理要求共和党。他们应该开始AA把领导层码农比例调整。
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wacxg
现在一些华人还是100年前排华时那种心态,没有任何一点长进。
总是替资本家着想,皇上不急急太监。 爱尔兰工人要缩短工作时间,华人说我愿意周末干活,爱尔兰工人为增加工资罢工,华人告密,然后自告奋勇,最后酿成100年排华。
瑞典,挪威,丹麦,都是70%工会,仍然是世界最富裕国家。
一些华人只会像中餐馆那样996恶性竞争,最长工时,最低收入,还被人鄙视。
fitzroy 发表于 2021-01-25 22:18

这几个国家有什么新兴大公司?有多少好的工作机会?无非靠着人少资源丰富。美国不是工会大国,很多行业都是薪水最高的国家。码工薪水还不够高?还需要工会提高收入?那你看看你说的那几个强国码工什么收入。
xiabibi
现在一些华人还是100年前排华时那种心态,没有任何一点长进。
总是替资本家着想,皇上不急急太监。 爱尔兰工人要缩短工作时间,华人说我愿意周末干活,爱尔兰工人为增加工资罢工,华人告密,然后自告奋勇,最后酿成100年排华。
瑞典,挪威,丹麦,都是70%工会,仍然是世界最富裕国家。
一些华人只会像中餐馆那样996恶性竞争,最长工时,最低收入,还被人鄙视。
fitzroy 发表于 2021-01-25 22:18

不能同意更多