https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-01-15/mandatory-covid-19-vaccine-workplace The fact that the Food and Drug Administration sanctioned the vaccinesthrough an emergency use authorization procedureinstead of its usual approval process may also make a mandate trickier. Vaccines for diseases such as polio, measles and whooping cough have been around for decades, and their track records inspire confidence that they’re safe and effective. The same can’t be said of the COVID-19 vaccine — at least, not yet. Fear is a powerful motivator, and the belief that the COVID-19 shots were developed too quickly and haven’t been through enough safety testing “leads to people coming up with more inventive ways to legally challenge a requirement to get a vaccine,” Grossenbacher said. Even in cases in which a vaccine mandate can be legally enforced, there may be ethical reasons not to, said Ruth Faden, founder of the Johns Hopkins Berman Institute of Bioethics. For example, a long history of unequal care and outright abuse from medical and public health professionals has given Black, brown and Native communities good reason to be suspicious of a vaccination campaign, Faden said. She calls it “justified distrust.” Indeed, a survey by the Public Policy Institute of California found that 69% of Black adults in the state would definitely or probably skip the vaccine, along with 43% of Latinos. (By contrast, 35% of white respondents and 30% of Asian Americans shared that view.) At the same time, others may have social, cultural or political reasons for not wanting to get vaccinated. For example, the Kaiser Family Foundation poll found that across the country, 42% of Republicans are vaccine hesitant, compared with 12% of Democrats and 31% of people who described themselves as independents. “Do we want to distinguish between people who we think have a good reason to not want to be vaccinated and those who don’t?” Faden said. “That’s an ethical conundrum and a political nightmare.” Another factor to consider is that although the two vaccines authorized so far are at least 94% effective in reducing the risk of developing COVID-19, whether they also reduce the risk of transmitting the coronavirus to others has not yet been tested. In some scenarios, that lack of evidence may weaken the ethical imperative for requiring it. After all, if a vaccinated teacher can still infect his students, and a vaccinated restaurant worker can spread the virus to her customers, does that diminish the rationale for requiring them to get the shot? “You have to have a good reason to give people about why it is ethically right for them to subject themselves to a vaccine they don’t want to get,” Ogbogu said. Data on how effective the vaccines are at stopping the spread of the virus should be coming in the next few months, Faden said. Until then, employers might encourage their workers to get vaccinated but stop short of requiring it, she said. Ogbogu added that workers who have managed to avoid an infection so far — such as intensive care unit nurses who have been fastidious in using personal protective equipment and following other safety measures — may rightly feel they don’t need a vaccine to keep themselves and others safe. In that case, he said, there is little ethical reason to mandate a vaccine they don’t trust.
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反应停欧洲上市，美国FDA阻止上市。
40年代。
现在的好像倒过来了 fda先批 欧洲再跟进
搞错了，那是欧洲批准的药，美国FDA不批，后来欧洲出事了，FDA从此声名大振！你搞反了。
美国医药公司很多到最后一刻不批准的，FDA真的在捍卫世界人民的健康，如果不夸张的说。
🛋️ 沙发板凳
哪哪都有你这个id，别人我不知道，说你wm，冤枉你了吗
你就是冤枉他了，为啥在美国一个自由的国度就不能对疫苗有异议哪？
中国人更关心美国人的健康，美国主流媒体真应该感到羞愧。
疫苗是神圣不可侵犯的东西阿
呵呵，美国人自己都不关心自己死活，酸什么啊
请贴清楚重点，specific lot，和批次直接相关，不是泛指所有moderna vaccine
批次和生产，运输，物流得细节可能都有关系
33万支 几乎是加州这个进来batch的全部了
这你放心吧，国内投资人投资的时候已经算好可能的风险和收益了！
自从faa和波音站一起以后 我就不信fda了 fda也是被华尔街绑架了 moderna被用来拉股票
这年头 说句不反智的 质疑下疫苗试验设计 说说疫苗副作用就是五毛 我也是很无语的
别介意。不是你的错。
这个跟中国很不一样，中国报道美国疫苗，基本没有一个好消息，尤其是连29%的反疫苗文科生的博客文章都传的如火如荼，这就很不正常了。
我估计是这么个心理：一是希望看到欧美深陷病毒泥潭搞得半死不活。 二是本来希望靠中国疫苗要挟一把全世界（跟当初口罩一样)扮演救世主角色,现在看希望落空，本来牛皮吹得震天响结果自己的疫苗数据有遮遮掩掩不好看，于是恼羞成怒，发动大量外宣拿放大镜找欧美疫苗负面新闻。
你说的话没有一句靠得住的。
29%的怎么变成文科生博客了？？
Moderna这次被叫停和之前的不良反应不同，是在打疫苗后的观察期（30分钟？）内出现严重过敏反应
那个博客你看懂了吗？
太反智了。。太不了解美国是怎么运营的
你拿出FDA 配合华尔街炒作 Merdona疫苗的证据。
到处造谣，说马上给小孩子打。拿出证据来。
其他废话少说。
最后还是要看哪个国家先开始浪，双非贴封条的不算哟
看到了吗 children are the next frontier
For clinic trials! 故意断章取义，不是蠢就是坏，或者又蠢又坏。
天呢，这个人真是刷新底线
哈哈狗屁股，没错，我记得这个id
我也记得这个id。常常有莫名的极端言论 ， 比如出国的人都有让中国亡国的心。
那么大Clinical trials两个词看不见？
那就要怀疑trial data为什么可以和真的开打后的data差那么多了啊
过敏反应应该不需要重新打吧。如果没过敏也就这么过去了。 他们第二针打的也多半不是这个批次的疫苗。
说的是某个批次，更具体说是某个site的异常，基本逻辑要清楚好吗？
没文化真可怕。你就不能先做好功课再喷吗？
你有文化 你吧功课贴上来看看啊
最多就是mRNA降解了，不应该导致更多过敏的吧？
逻辑：本来开打以后的过敏率就保持在trial期间的十倍左右，也都没有造成疫苗的接种被喊停
这个批次到底什么情况我不清楚，只知道被喊停了
读不懂英文就不要翻，你是不是搞不清楚这句话的重点？？？clinical trials！！！16岁以下现在都没有批准能打好吗？
别人有没有我不清楚，可以肯定的是，你没有还要装。
"过敏率就保持在trial期间的十倍左右". source???
现在美国的疫苗有什么特别值得报道的好消息吗？在日新增和日死亡显著下降之前，似乎也不太会有什么好消息吧。现在这时候没有消息就是最好的消息了。
你英文看不懂？那是接下来要小孩clinical trial。除非你把你家toddler送去药试，你天天瞎担心个啥呀。小孩最后要不要打，要看trial的效果。
卫生部门数据显示，该批次疫苗代号为"41L20A"，超过287间医疗机构、获分发共33万剂该批次的莫德纳疫苗，大部份供应给医护人员。当局指，在其中一间小区疫苗接种诊所，24小时内出现10宗接种疫苗后出现过敏反应的案例，与每10万名接种者有一人过敏的正常数字比较，出现过敏的机会异常地高。
卫生部门没有公布该诊所的地点及名称，而诊所在关闭数小时后，亦再次重新营运，提供另一批次的Moderna疫苗。目前，该批次疫苗没有发现过敏反应个案。
州政府正调查事件，包括诊所有否出错。加州流行病学家Erica Pan建议，应该暂停发放41L20A批次疫苗。她表示，即使目前疫苗供不应求，仍然希望先使用其他疫苗，待当局调查完毕，再重新考虑使用Moderna的41L20A批次。
Moderna发表声明指，了解在圣地亚哥（San Diego）一个接种中心，连续有多名接种者出现过敏反应，公司正与加州公共卫生部门合作，调查事件原因。目前，Moderna没有发现在其他接种中心使用同一批次疫苗时，出现类似事件。
excuse me？何必自欺欺人呢 clinical trail难道不是为了接下来大批孩子接种服务的？不然trail了玩吗？
trial not trail
ughhhh....
又不会拿枪顶脑门逼你打疫苗，怕啥？
更何况，你号称老公得过新冠，那么很大可能你娃已经有了抗体，别怕。
https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2644974&posterid=414496
再怕，只能回中国了。
希望小孩不会强制打
美国有强制打疫苗这么一说么？
看来对美国社会文化很不了解，
在美国得了新冠要出去浪，都没有办法强制隔离
clinical trial的结果要评估。为啥你连研究对小孩打疫苗是否有效也不支持？如果效果不好，自然审批通不过。如果效果好，批准了，也没有人会强迫你家孩子打。还是这句话，你瞎担心个啥？
为了拉股票 fda怎么样都会批的 你是真心不了解美国还是假的
但是现在要复课的呼声还是挺高的
当然希望你说的能成真咯 fingers crossed
那个missid不冤枉 各种帖子都有它 适合屏蔽
你一直说FDA为了拉股票才批准疫苗，请你拿出证据。
你这样瞎担心觉得美国会强制小孩打疫苗的人, 竟然觉得我不了解美国?
那不成，每天的任务就是要恶心死大家！让那些敢出国的人看看！走到天涯海角，也能恶心死你们！
真是素质及其底下的一批5毛在华人上搅浑水，张口就来FDA和股市勾结，你大概不知道药厂clinical trail自己研发药的成功率吧。说实话有你们这批人在外宣口就是美华对强国日益反感的基本原因。
你发这么多贴来表明中国比美国好，都不及一张单程机票来的有说服力。
还有满口仁义道德，但是说的话就是把海华往火上烤的赵蠡贱华大妈一众人！
流感疫苗我们这里不打daycare不收的
不知道这个ID什么来历。我抹了一下，被他举报。
会不会外宣是反华人士反串的，因为效果太好了……
这要什么证据 fib关键点位出新闻 消息面配合技术面
我存在不存在 你都希望亡国的不是 搞笑 不要把责任堆在别人身上
原来这就是你的所谓的证据。领教了
你顶多两毛
公司也可以强制员工打吧
牛逼，动不动就亡国，我们这些小老百姓能有这么大能量？
是中國媒體更關心美國人不健康
re 而且miss它为啥说fib 明明fbi
本来都不觉得你是五毛的，现在开始相信了
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-01-15/mandatory-covid-19-vaccine-workplace
The fact that the Food and Drug Administration sanctioned the vaccinesthrough an emergency use authorization procedure instead of its usual approval process may also make a mandate trickier.
Vaccines for diseases such as polio, measles and whooping cough have been around for decades, and their track records inspire confidence that they’re safe and effective. The same can’t be said of the COVID-19 vaccine — at least, not yet.
Fear is a powerful motivator, and the belief that the COVID-19 shots were developed too quickly and haven’t been through enough safety testing “leads to people coming up with more inventive ways to legally challenge a requirement to get a vaccine,” Grossenbacher said.
Even in cases in which a vaccine mandate can be legally enforced, there may be ethical reasons not to, said Ruth Faden, founder of the Johns Hopkins Berman Institute of Bioethics.
For example, a long history of unequal care and outright abuse from medical and public health professionals has given Black, brown and Native communities good reason to be suspicious of a vaccination campaign, Faden said. She calls it “justified distrust.”
Indeed, a survey by the Public Policy Institute of California found that 69% of Black adults in the state would definitely or probably skip the vaccine, along with 43% of Latinos. (By contrast, 35% of white respondents and 30% of Asian Americans shared that view.)
At the same time, others may have social, cultural or political reasons for not wanting to get vaccinated. For example, the Kaiser Family Foundation poll found that across the country, 42% of Republicans are vaccine hesitant, compared with 12% of Democrats and 31% of people who described themselves as independents.
“Do we want to distinguish between people who we think have a good reason to not want to be vaccinated and those who don’t?” Faden said. “That’s an ethical conundrum and a political nightmare.”
Another factor to consider is that although the two vaccines authorized so far are at least 94% effective in reducing the risk of developing COVID-19, whether they also reduce the risk of transmitting the coronavirus to others has not yet been tested. In some scenarios, that lack of evidence may weaken the ethical imperative for requiring it.
After all, if a vaccinated teacher can still infect his students, and a vaccinated restaurant worker can spread the virus to her customers, does that diminish the rationale for requiring them to get the shot?
“You have to have a good reason to give people about why it is ethically right for them to subject themselves to a vaccine they don’t want to get,” Ogbogu said.
Data on how effective the vaccines are at stopping the spread of the virus should be coming in the next few months, Faden said. Until then, employers might encourage their workers to get vaccinated but stop short of requiring it, she said.
Ogbogu added that workers who have managed to avoid an infection so far — such as intensive care unit nurses who have been fastidious in using personal protective equipment and following other safety measures — may rightly feel they don’t need a vaccine to keep themselves and others safe. In that case, he said, there is little ethical reason to mandate a vaccine they don’t trust.
美国可以homeschool 的。daycare更不是人人都上。daycare这么多病毒，要上daycare的话，打疫苗肯定是利大于弊，当然是已经证明安全性的疫苗。
你这么心急一再发无病呻吟的黑帖，连一个简单的英文字Trial 都搞不清楚。不要如此性急！
你以为美国FDA是中国药监局呢？还股市呢，股市关FDA屁事！