互联网主权只有中国在提?你要不要再去了解了解? Data localization builds upon the concept of data sovereigntythat regulates certain data types by the laws applicable to the data subjects or processors. While data sovereignty may require that records about a nation's citizens or residents follow its personal or financial data processing laws, data localization goes a step further in requiring that initial collection, processing, and storage first occur within the national boundaries. In some cases, data about a nation's citizens or residents must also be deleted from foreign systems before being removed from systems in the data subject's nation. The EU's General Data Protection Regulation contains extensive regulation of data flow and storage, including restrictions on exporting personal data outside of the EU. 有任务在身? 我还觉得你这种基本情况都没搞明白的在故意带节奏呢。。。
互联网主权只有中国在提?你要不要再去了解了解? Data localization builds upon the concept of data sovereigntythat regulates certain data types by the laws applicable to the data subjects or processors. While data sovereignty may require that records about a nation's citizens or residents follow its personal or financial data processing laws, data localization goes a step further in requiring that initial collection, processing, and storage first occur within the national boundaries. In some cases, data about a nation's citizens or residents must also be deleted from foreign systems before being removed from systems in the data subject's nation. The EU's General Data Protection Regulation contains extensive regulation of data flow and storage, including restrictions on exporting personal data outside of the EU. 有任务在身? 我还觉得你这种基本情况都没搞明白的在故意带节奏呢。。。
Namama 发表于 2021-01-13 18:16
Emmanuel Macron, France’s president, has been similarly blunt. “The battle we’re fighting is one of sovereignty,” he said. A report for the European Parliament even argued that the EU Digital Services Act should establish a “European firewall,similar to what has happened in China in the past 20 years”. Such proposals reflect an emerging European view that greater state control of the digital economy is neededto nurture and protect local technology companies. Specifically, the state must handicap foreign companies and use regulation and funding to promote friendly, compliant local competitors.
互联网主权只有中国在提?你要不要再去了解了解? Data localization builds upon the concept of data sovereigntythat regulates certain data types by the laws applicable to the data subjects or processors. While data sovereignty may require that records about a nation's citizens or residents follow its personal or financial data processing laws, data localization goes a step further in requiring that initial collection, processing, and storage first occur within the national boundaries. In some cases, data about a nation's citizens or residents must also be deleted from foreign systems before being removed from systems in the data subject's nation. The EU's General Data Protection Regulation contains extensive regulation of data flow and storage, including restrictions on exporting personal data outside of the EU. 有任务在身? 我还觉得你这种基本情况都没搞明白的在故意带节奏呢。。。
自己去读读最新的欧盟policy paper https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2020/648784/IPOL_STU(2020)648784_EN.pdf https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/digital-services-act-package A European Firewall, A European Cloud The paper also calls for a European “digital cloud” “The EU should include an action plan for a digital cloud – a European Internet – in the DSA”, the policy paper suggests to the Parliament. “This European Cloud would foster a European digital ecosystem based on data and innovation. It would drive competition and set standards. “Foreign web services could become part of such a digital ecosystem but must adhere to the rules and standards of the EU – such as democratic values, data protection, data accessibility, transparency and user-friendliness. “Technologically”, the policy paper says vaguely, “it would require a top-level infrastructure, high-speed 5G or a 6G data network and a firewall. “Like the Chinese firewall, this European internet would block off services that condone or support unlawful conduct from third party countries.” 互联网主权是大势所趋。。 特别是在这次见识了IT大厂封杀川普过程中展现的强大影响力以后,互联网主权概念更是会被加快执行。。
Emmanuel Macron, France’s president, has been similarly blunt. “The battle we’re fighting is one of sovereignty,” he said. A report for the European Parliament even argued that the EU Digital Services Act should establish a “European firewall,similar to what has happened in China in the past 20 years”. Such proposals reflect an emerging European view that greater state control of the digital economy is neededto nurture and protect local technology companies. Specifically, the state must handicap foreign companies and use regulation and funding to promote friendly, compliant local competitors. Namama 发表于 2021-01-13 18:30
自己去读读最新的欧盟policy paper https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2020/648784/IPOL_STU(2020)648784_EN.pdf https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/digital-services-act-package A European Firewall, A European Cloud The paper also calls for a European “digital cloud” “The EU should include an action plan for a digital cloud – a European Internet – in the DSA”, the policy paper suggests to the Parliament. “This European Cloud would foster a European digital ecosystem based on data and innovation. It would drive competition and set standards. “Foreign web services could become part of such a digital ecosystem but must adhere to the rules and standards of the EU – such as democratic values, data protection, data accessibility, transparency and user-friendliness. “Technologically”, the policy paper says vaguely, “it would require a top-level infrastructure, high-speed 5G or a 6G data network and a firewall. “Like the Chinese firewall, this European internet would block off services that condone or support unlawful conduct from third party countries.” 互联网主权是大势所趋。。 特别是在这次见识了IT大厂封杀川普过程中展现的强大影响力以后,互联网主权概念更是会被加快执行。。
Namama 发表于 2021-01-13 18:45
again,你还是在混淆(不知道是不是故意的)国家为帮助国内企业竞争力而增加regulation barrier vs 管控互联网(尤其是言论管控)的概念。 两码事。
again,你还是在混淆(不知道是不是故意的)国家为帮助国内企业竞争力而增加regulation barrier vs 管控互联网(尤其是言论管控)的概念。 两码事。
hellensiao 发表于 2021-01-13 18:57
领导人发言,具体的Policy Paper都给你了。。。 白纸黑字写得明明白白,还有啥好继续洗地的。。 哪怕就是按照你自己上面贴的,那个中文的互联网主权定义: 对内,网络主权指的是国家独立自主地发展、监督、管理本国互联网事务; “Foreign web services could become part of such a digital ecosystem but must adhere to the rules and standards of the EU 对外,网络主权指的是防止本国互联网受到外部入侵和攻击。 “Like the Chinese firewall, this European internet would block off services that condone or support unlawful conduct from third party countries.” 这难道不是在维护互联网主权??
领导人发言,具体的Policy Paper都给你了。。。 白纸黑字写得明明白白,还有啥好继续洗地的。。 哪怕就是按照你自己上面贴的,那个中文的互联网主权定义: 对内,网络主权指的是国家独立自主地发展、监督、管理本国互联网事务; “Foreign web services could become part of such a digital ecosystem but must adhere to the rules and standards of the EU 对外,网络主权指的是防止本国互联网受到外部入侵和攻击。 “Like the Chinese firewall, this European internet would block off services that condone or support unlawful conduct from third party countries.” 这难道不是在维护互联网主权??
我用的难道是假手机?
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互联网主权只有中国在提?你要不要再去了解了解?
Data localization builds upon the concept of data sovereignty that regulates certain data types by the laws applicable to the data subjects or processors. While data sovereignty may require that records about a nation's citizens or residents follow its personal or financial data processing laws, data localization goes a step further in requiring that initial collection, processing, and storage first occur within the national boundaries. In some cases, data about a nation's citizens or residents must also be deleted from foreign systems before being removed from systems in the data subject's nation.
The EU's General Data Protection Regulation contains extensive regulation of data flow and storage, including restrictions on exporting personal data outside of the EU.
有任务在身? 我还觉得你这种基本情况都没搞明白的在故意带节奏呢。。。
川总折腾中国的手法,逼得中国要搞半导体产业全产业链,软件生态自主化
老左折腾川总的手段,把离不开老左大科技公司的国家吓尿了一裤子
几年MAGA下来,我大帝国的墙角砖头松了好几块
Emmanuel Macron, France’s president, has been similarly blunt. “The battle we’re fighting is one of sovereignty,” he said. A report for the European Parliament even argued that the EU Digital Services Act should establish a “European firewall, similar to what has happened in China in the past 20 years”. Such proposals reflect an emerging European view that greater state control of the digital economy is needed to nurture and protect local technology companies. Specifically, the state must handicap foreign companies and use regulation and funding to promote friendly, compliant local competitors.
你自己贴的都是data sovereignty好不好,不是internet sovereignty. gdpr就是规范数据隐私的,不是互联网管控。给你贴一个互联网主权/网络主权的百度解释: https://baike.baidu.com/item/网络主权 网络主权,就是一国国家主权在网络空间中的自然延伸和表现。 对内,网络主权指的是国家独立自主地发展、监督、管理本国互联网事务;对外,网络主权指的是防止本国互联网受到外部入侵和攻击。
你跟你贴的英文对照一下看是不是说的两码事?
你拿internet sovereignty / network sovereignty google一下看看是不是都是说的中国俄罗斯相关的?
这个支持。Time to break up big tech.
这个是真的,国内现在不管是软件硬件都在极力去美国化。实在不行才用美国的,然后还要立项安排研究国产化。远期肯定对美国科技产品输出中国有影响。
自己去读读最新的欧盟policy paper https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2020/648784/IPOL_STU(2020)648784_EN.pdf https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/digital-services-act-package
A European Firewall, A European Cloud The paper also calls for a European “digital cloud” “The EU should include an action plan for a digital cloud – a European Internet – in the DSA”, the policy paper suggests to the Parliament. “This European Cloud would foster a European digital ecosystem based on data and innovation. It would drive competition and set standards. “Foreign web services could become part of such a digital ecosystem but must adhere to the rules and standards of the EU – such as democratic values, data protection, data accessibility, transparency and user-friendliness. “Technologically”, the policy paper says vaguely, “it would require a top-level infrastructure, high-speed 5G or a 6G data network and a firewall. “Like the Chinese firewall, this European internet would block off services that condone or support unlawful conduct from third party countries.”
互联网主权是大势所趋。。 特别是在这次见识了IT大厂封杀川普过程中展现的强大影响力以后,互联网主权概念更是会被加快执行。。
不要断章取义。我替你把原文链接贴上: https://www.ft.com/content/9edea4f5-5f34-4e17-89cd-f9b9ba698103
原文说的是欧洲为了保护和支持本地的科技企业所以要建立对美国科技公司的barrier to entry。这个更多的是国家帮助建立regulation barrier来帮助本国企业与外国企业竞争,在资本主义国家之间自古就有,跟中国为管控互联网言论正名而提出的互联网主权根本不是一个性质的东西。
again,你还是在混淆(不知道是不是故意的)国家为帮助国内企业竞争力而增加regulation barrier vs 管控互联网(尤其是言论管控)的概念。
两码事。
领导人发言,具体的Policy Paper都给你了。。。 白纸黑字写得明明白白,还有啥好继续洗地的。。
哪怕就是按照你自己上面贴的,那个中文的互联网主权定义: 对内,网络主权指的是国家独立自主地发展、监督、管理本国互联网事务; “Foreign web services could become part of such a digital ecosystem but must adhere to the rules and standards of the EU
对外,网络主权指的是防止本国互联网受到外部入侵和攻击。 “Like the Chinese firewall, this European internet would block off services that condone or support unlawful conduct from third party countries.”
这难道不是在维护互联网主权??
西方美国商业巨擎也是有国家支持的。要不然他们的经济战也打不下去。 wto也是有区别对待原则。 rule of game 不能只有一方来定。
App上有但点了也不作数
15年前就开始了,硬件基本都是“买”和“搬”。很多都是民主党和奥巴马政府输送美帝国家利益。
2009年核高基,就是半导体。但半产业化上x86都是阉割版。 2013年,马云成功完成了小型机数据库去ioe化。
美帝再等五年,就全被copy成功了。Trump封杀的时机,是利益最大化后封杀的时机。
接下来就看民主党和拜登政府,能不能继续O8的卖国方式了。
呵呵😄
那还是沾了开源软件 open source 的光,所以以为软件没什么了不起的。如果没有外国的 Windows,linux, android, 你中国搞一个试试?
正确。软件的开源。 芯片设计的来源,也让华为可以吹一吹,外交部发言人直接说世界一流。
这就是胡说八道了,amazon等big tech行为就是自我太膨胀了,把自己当审判官了。
trump其实各项政策和所作所为,都是为了美帝的利益。美国优先。
你这开始狡辩了。那就没意思了。大家都会看我们上面摘录的中文英文,不多说了。
你其实心里知道gdpr是干什么的,欧洲一直跟美国的tech对着干是为了什么。真是为了管控互联网言论?
有啥支持?拿出来说说?
我没有否认啊,说的是本来社交软件就不是没有国界的,而欧盟之前一直也在想法设法各种sue FB这种社交媒体。
但是没有Trump这事,也不至于把美国的遮羞布揭下来。所以他不是给人递刀子是啥
别想当然了。亚马逊的云不如阿里云。世界上没几个云能承受的住中国购物节那种短时疯狂的流量,只有阿里云能做到。
呵呵。。没词了就说别人狡辩? 欧盟是否在全力推进互联网主权,真是傻子都看得见。。 上面那个互联网主权的定义是你自己给出的吧?不管是其中对内部分,还是对外部分,欧盟现在是否都在做? 你一开始还不承认欧盟想建国家级防火墙,现在官方policy paper 白纸黑字都给你看了,还想说啥?
算了,我看你的思维都混乱了,我来帮你梳理一下。。
你纠结的无非就是欧盟是为了所谓的内部言论管理而推进互联网主权,还是为了扶持自身IT产业而推进互联网主权,还是这次见识川普下场后纯粹为了国家安全而推进互联网主权,又或是不愿意被美国IT企业继续收割或其它什么原因被刺激到了而推进。。
你扯半天,无非就是在扯这个没人能证明的“动机”, 但政策这种东西论迹不论心是基本常识,更别说欧盟那么庞大的政体,那么多政客参与其中,哪来的单一动机?每个国家每个政客都有各自考量, 哪怕就是言论监控,别忘了,欧洲也发生过多起恐怖袭击,没少死人。但对恐怖份子言论监控和追查,欧盟自己无能为力,完全依赖美国企业,你觉得欧盟政客会乐意? 所以到最后大概率就是各种动机都有点。。。也就是所谓的大势所趋。。。
从最终结果看,互联网主权的概念无可争议的在迅速崛起,欧盟正在大力推动欧盟互联网的建设,其中也包括了国家级防火墙概念
明明big tech 自我膨胀,这也能怪到Trump身上?
你红色的字再多,也盖不住你的概念混淆举的例子和道理虚弱啊。你先是拿gdpr里的data sovereighty 来说欧洲也推行互联网主权,被我指出都不是一个词根本就是两回事;然后又断章取义的摘出一片被反驳的欧洲建立各种regulation barrier阻击美国科技公司的文章,被我指出还是在混淆概念。
有理不在红字多。你声嘶力竭的扯着欧洲政策大旗,各种扣着“基本常识”的帽子,盖不住人家根本就不是说的一回事。还无可争议,我看是强词夺理故意浑水摸鱼。
呵呵。。
GDPR只是欧盟在建设互联网主权的一个组成部分,更完整的政策不是已经给你了吗?
”互联网主权这个概念只有中国在提。其他的都是注重在用户隐私和数据安全方面。完全不一样的概念不要偷换。我不相信越来越多的国家会建立国家级防火墙,中国的盟友伊朗朝鲜俄罗斯除外;“
这是你说的吧?被事实打脸了吧?欧盟有没有提互联网主权的概念?欧盟有没有在尝试建立自己的国家级防火墙?
“给你贴一个互联网主权/网络主权的百度解释:https://baike.baidu.com/item/网络主权 网络主权,就是一国国家主权在网络空间中的自然延伸和表现。对内,网络主权指的是国家独立自主地发展、监督、管理本国互联网事务;对外,网络主权指的是防止本国互联网受到外部入侵和攻击”
这也是你原话,是用来论证欧盟没有搞互联网主权吧? 结果依然被事实打脸了吧?欧盟官方文件上写的明明白白,不管是对内还是对外,哪怕按照你这定义,欧盟都在毫无疑问的争取互联网主权
继续狡辩死撑有意思吗?整一个思维混乱。。
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2020/648784/IPOL_STU(2020)648784_EN.pdf
以前做什么,还需要法庭来判。但这些媒体,在他们地头真是呼风唤雨。
现在还以为别国私人企业就是纯私人企业的是不是太天真了
依赖各种云为了降低成本,太没危机意识了。
他们这么做就是自信可以影响到法,影响到某一派的政府
Trump 做的大部分是作为国家领导人应该做的想的。
这事自己露出来对美国和美国民众是有好处的。难道你以为只损害别国利益么。
Big tech是顾及当务之急怕有新的反垄断法限制它们的财路。 至少在美国可以横行一阵子。拜登政府怎么会不回报他们这些有功之臣呢。
歐洲
大家都想要弄
都不肯出錢
本来就是,不知道为什么那么多公司为了节省点儿硬件成本和人力成本,就纷纷把数据业务都放到云服务上去!你家公司或个人的数据难道没有价值,不属于隐私级别?你既然选择外放到别家公司,就应该先想清楚可能发生的潜在风险,比如数据泄露和不明原因的掐断服务。我现在这家公司就比较保守,我入职的时候问,为什么我们不用aws或azure的云服务,头儿说,我们的数据是confidental的,不能放到外面去,只能在内部server上跑!!
还有脸书这种删除各人言论的,这本身就带有政治倾向,你凭什么删A不删B?谁有这个judge的权限?谁该对这些言论负责?是要走向实名制了吗?
谷歌和脸书不愿意接受审查,主动退出了中国市场,当然中国马上墙了他们的服务器;微软和苹果同意接受审查,苹果按照要求把服务器也搬到了贵州,获得了在中国市场经营的许可。
FB的扎克伯格舔着脸跑去求审查。。。。还让习大大给他娃起名字。。。。
中国的互联网企业,比如腾讯,在欧洲经营也必须遵守欧盟的法律,欧洲针对互联网的法规比美国要严格得多,在法国甚至有互联网税。
小札是有这个想法,但他的部分员工强烈反对政府审查,后来搁置了。
我们个人的数据和信息也不该放到云上面。我每次拿到新手机,setup时就不同意云备份,宁可麻烦些以后自己备份。
我也是,从来不在cloud上backup
穿越了。
没那么容易
可惜没有垄断 (amz vs. msft vs. google).
露馅儿,中国不想google Facebook 入境真是明智之举,白白挨了那么多骂。
川普封tiktok和wechat是非常正确的,我觉得这种事情是基本常识,却冒出来非常多的反对者。结果不仅没做成,还白白挨了那么多骂……
美国真是太笨了,烂泥扶不上墙!
饭馆老板讨厌同性恋于是不做同性恋生意,这可以么?以前好像有过法案,不让网络服务商歧视内容,其实cable服务商非常讨厌Netflix这种网站的,占了90%以上的流量还不多给钱,完全可以多charge Netflix用户钱的。但法律不容许。
真正的原因就是钱,利益。
英文是什么
是啊。手机照片都连着云,不如花钱买大存储的手机。可惜很多个人信息是没办法不被转的,一旦被有意利用,会有很多麻烦。
同样的。 可是email账户地址还有其他各种信息,控制不了。要用网络,就要承受风险
Cyberpunk,家里没有打游戏的小朋友吧
饭店老板 - 如果同性恋和其他人点一样的menu no 蛋糕店老板 - 可以 因为认为定制蛋糕是创意 高法7比2 你说的网络商叫做“网络中立” 民主党支持 共和党反对 Trump上台之后废掉了网络中立
垄断有很多种形式的
做生意就好好做生意。非要掺和政治就一定要得罪一部分人
错,封华为那种顶多废掉一个大企业,不会导致整个行业的退步。但随便禁言,封人、封掉基础设施那就和极权政府和国家的行为没有什么两样。
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