参议员亲笔之 那一日 国会惊魂记

梅干茶泡饭
楼主 (北美华人网)
不讨论政治观点对错
下面质问这些议员对打砸抢小商贩如何如何对
睁大眼睛看清楚这个作者和提到的两个参议员都是共和党!
三个对小business非常friendly的温和议员。其中这作者还说过''''''''I do not believe systemic racism is a problem in the state of Maine''''''''!
可见这些阴阳怪气的回复对打砸抢抱怨是小半,洗地才是真。
https://bangordailynews.com/2021/01/11/opinion/contributors/democracy-prevailed-over-the-rioters-who-sieged-the-capitol/ ......
My first thought was that the Iranians had followed through on their threat to strike the Capitol, but a police officer took over the podium and explained that violent demonstrators had breached the entire perimeter of the Capitol and were inside. Several of us pointed out that the doors to the press gallery were unlocked right above us. That tells you how overwhelmed and unprepared the Capitol Police were, although many, many of them were very courageous.
We were told to stay put in the chamber, which did not seem wise to me, because the rioters’ purpose was to disrupt the counting of the electoral vote, so they were clearly headed our way. Sen. Todd Young of Indiana, who had served in the Marines, moved over near Sen. Lisa Murkowski and me. Only later did I learn that he was positioning himself to repel the rioters and defend us.
Some time passed, and we were informed that we would be put on buses, which, it seemed to me, would make us sitting ducks had it been carried out. Finally, we were ushered out of the chamber and taken through the tunnels under the Capitol, with the police urging us to “hurry, hurry!” (Unfortunately, I had chosen to wear high heels that day so it was hard to run.)
We then spent many hours in a “secure location” in the complex, watching on television in disbelief as the rioters broke windows, scaled the scaffolding put in place for the inauguration and, most disconcerting, roamed around the Senate Chamber, with one thug sitting where the vice president had been presiding and others rummaging through our desks.
I was worried about my staff, but was told that the rioters were focused on the Capitol and not on the Senate office buildings where they were locked down. I kept in touch with them, nevertheless, and of course with my husband Tom Daffron, who relayed messages to the rest of my family.
I called and texted my closest contact at the White House to urge that the president immediately tell the rioters to stop their violence and go home. But President Donald Trump completely undercut that message by repeating his grievances and telling the rioters that he knew how they felt. This was terrible, especially since he incited them in the first place. We were brought some salads, sandwiches and water, but no one was allowed to leave. ...... The rest of the night I spent at Murkowski’s home because I was worried about finding a parking space that late and about the violent extremists knowing where I live, given the threats and security problems I have encountered during the past two years. The police drove us to Murkowski’s home, where her husband had built us a nice fire and had glasses of wine awaiting us.
读完了之后感想 1 若不是知道当时情况多么紧急,都要被警察想用大巴把参议员一起拉走的馊主意逗笑了 = = 2 最后的两个洛克菲勒共和党参议员姐俩关系还是挺好的,难怪可以默契轮流投票 3 这关头能站出来保护女士是真绅士 4 少穿高跟鞋
ronyning
AOC今天推特怒吼:你们偷电脑就算了。还偷走我的高跟鞋。我回去看录像了,那个谁,就是你偷的。
beth
算了吧 BLM riot 时候比这厉害多了 也没见他们这么发心得
perfectpan
算了吧 BLM riot 时候比这厉害多了 也没见他们这么发心得
beth 发表于 2021-01-11 18:19

没错
看看那个时候多少无辜老百姓商铺被烧被砸,他们咋不说话?
beth
被打死的那个 起码为国服务过 是老兵。 被跪死那个, 明明是个瘾君子, 还用武器威胁过孕妇, 结果葬礼被放了国旗。
joeblackgod
算了吧 BLM riot 时候比这厉害多了 也没见他们这么发心得
beth 发表于 2021-01-11 18:19

BLM riot冲击国会了吗? 你可能不明白,这个国家是总统和这些联邦级别的议员一起治理的,他们collective的权力甚至可以说隐约超过总统,毕竟他们可以弹劾总统,但是总统不能解散国会。 川普这一波把所有的同盟都惹火了:没人选议员是来上战场的,而且对手还是自己这边的总统给煽动来的。这种总统不收拾,他们这议员就不用干了。
whatever.
算了吧 BLM riot 时候比这厉害多了 也没见他们这么发心得
beth 发表于 2021-01-11 18:19

事不关己,高高挂起。
joeblackgod
没错
看看那个时候多少无辜老百姓商铺被烧被砸,他们咋不说话?
perfectpan 发表于 2021-01-11 18:20

如果你把商铺和国会大厦放一起比较,那你是真不明白宪法是什么。。。
badgerbadger
嘎 如果Trump信众只是冲击Target,我想这次他也不至于落到被全网封锁的程度吧。
x
xiaoxiongxiaojie
香港示威者冲进立法会打出横幅只有暴政没有暴徒,南希议长大力支持,到这时候就变了。这帮政客们,small business很多几代人的心血毁于一旦,人家招谁惹谁了,peaceful protest死了那么多人也有黑人警察在内2 billion损失,一言不发轻描淡写,自己受了点儿惊吓就成这样了,活该!也难怪,中国要是冲进中南海什么下场?看看六四天安门吧做下参考。
coalpilerd
被打死的那个 起码为国服务过 是老兵。 被跪死那个, 明明是个瘾君子, 还用武器威胁过孕妇, 结果葬礼被放了国旗。
beth 发表于 2021-01-11 18:24

挺不公平的是么。
被打死的那位,要是没听川普那套幺蛾子去了DC,或者即便去了牢记自己是和平示威者,没热血上头跟着砸门的起哄,现在还是个享受着周围人的尊敬的老兵。当时那个场面别说冲的是国会山,就算随便冲一个老百姓的家,被屋主打死也没话可说。人家警察开枪是冲着砸门的开枪,谁还能开枪前还先问你一句是不是老兵是不是为国做过贡献。
x
xiaoxiongxiaojie
Lebanese diplomat Mohamad Safa: “If the United States saw what the United States is doing in the United States, the United States would invade the United States to liberate the United States from the tyranny of the United States.”
世事如棋
Lebanese diplomat Mohamad Safa: “If the United States saw what the United States is doing in the United States, the United States would invade the United States to liberate the United States from the tyranny of the United States.”
xiaoxiongxiaojie 发表于 2021-01-11 18:43

lol
GABA
Lebanese diplomat Mohamad Safa: “If the United States saw what the United States is doing in the United States, the United States would invade the United States to liberate the United States from the tyranny of the United States.”
xiaoxiongxiaojie 发表于 2021-01-11 18:43

哈哈哈。 说得好。
playagame
国会的人事先不知道6号会有川粉去聚集闹事吗?全网都知道啊
joeblackgod
这种文章对川普打击是致命的啊。这些共和党的温和派基本上决定了弹劾的结果。民主党那50票是妥妥的。共和党这边跳17票,他就game over了。
baicai33
国会的人事先不知道6号会有川粉去聚集闹事吗?全网都知道啊
playagame 发表于 2021-01-11 18:59

大家只知道是protest。你早知道要riot了?
playagame
回复 17楼baicai33的帖子
猜也猜得出来
daysun
为啥nyc大选之前就知道把所有窗户board up?
而国会不知道?
如果有商户没有board up,被砸坏了,打电话,警察都不会来。
这次的问题其实是右派以前太守纪律了,要是以前就打砸抢,基本就不会有今天,因为国会就知道提前防守,或者下个跪之类的。
ccs007
Lebanese diplomat Mohamad Safa: “If the United States saw what the United States is doing in the United States, the United States would invade the United States to liberate the United States from the tyranny of the United States.”
xiaoxiongxiaojie 发表于 2021-01-11 18:43

被绕晕了LOL
baicai33
为啥nyc大选之前就知道把所有窗户board up?
而国会不知道?
如果有商户没有board up,被砸坏了,打电话,警察都不会来。
这次的问题其实是右派以前太守纪律了,要是以前就打砸抢,基本就不会有今天,因为国会就知道提前防守,或者下个跪之类的。
daysun 发表于 2021-01-11 19:09

最近几十年没人敢进攻美国国家capitol,经验不足啊。。。
ccs007
这种文章对川普打击是致命的啊。这些共和党的温和派基本上决定了弹劾的结果。民主党那50票是妥妥的。共和党这边跳17票,他就game over了。
joeblackgod 发表于 2021-01-11 19:01

不太可能啊……我还希望TSLA能到2万呢……只是走个形式,压压Trump的政治势力
c
cable
回复 8楼joeblackgod的帖子
Constitution is used to serve people, including small business owners and house of representatives.
teapot
如果你把商铺和国会大厦放一起比较,那你是真不明白宪法是什么。。。
joeblackgod 发表于 2021-01-11 18:37

宪法第一句,we, the people. 没building啥事儿。 老百姓不重要什么重要?!
fitzroy
黄川还是把钱财看的高于人命。 脱不了小市民眼界。
badgerbadger
这次哪怕只有一个议员伤亡了,或者被绑架了,后面的暴动和内战跟BLM这点小打小闹可不是一个级别的。
Haribough
为啥nyc大选之前就知道把所有窗户board up?
而国会不知道?
如果有商户没有board up,被砸坏了,打电话,警察都不会来。
这次的问题其实是右派以前太守纪律了,要是以前就打砸抢,基本就不会有今天,因为国会就知道提前防守,或者下个跪之类的。
daysun 发表于 2021-01-11 19:09

和六月份的BLM protest比起来,这次DC的警察明显准备不足。六月份的时候出动了四千多NG,而这次是国会被攻陷后才从附近州调了一千人过来。具体是什么原因?可能要等几周调查结果出来,看看川普有没有故意阻挠执法。
FTrumptards
算了吧 BLM riot 时候比这厉害多了 也没见他们这么发心得
beth 发表于 2021-01-11 18:19

川粉的无敌公式:
。。。更糟糕。这个特别适用于讲他们心目中红太阳集权倾向的时候。
最典型的答案, 就是你看看, 习包子。。。, 甚至你看看金三胖。。。
FTrumptards
如果你把商铺和国会大厦放一起比较,那你是真不明白宪法是什么。。。
joeblackgod 发表于 2021-01-11 18:37

几百年后没有教科书会说, 你看
“这些商铺是神圣的美国资本主义的代表, 就这么被暴徒渎职了”!
FTrumptards
被打死的那个 起码为国服务过 是老兵。 被跪死那个, 明明是个瘾君子, 还用武器威胁过孕妇, 结果葬礼被放了国旗。
beth 发表于 2021-01-11 18:24

简直胡说八道, geoge floyd 什么时候有国葬了?
川普连这次被打死的警察都拒绝给下半棋待, 他会给佛洛依德国葬?
FTrumptards
BLM riot冲击国会了吗? 你可能不明白,这个国家是总统和这些联邦级别的议员一起治理的,他们collective的权力甚至可以说隐约超过总统,毕竟他们可以弹劾总统,但是总统不能解散国会。 川普这一波把所有的同盟都惹火了:没人选议员是来上战场的,而且对手还是自己这边的总统给煽动来的。这种总统不收拾,他们这议员就不用干了。
joeblackgod 发表于 2021-01-11 18:36

没错, 所以宪法里立法branch 放在第一张,行政branch 放在第二
FTrumptards
香港示威者冲进立法会打出横幅只有暴政没有暴徒,南希议长大力支持,到这时候就变了。这帮政客们,small business很多几代人的心血毁于一旦,人家招谁惹谁了,peaceful protest死了那么多人也有黑人警察在内2 billion损失,一言不发轻描淡写,自己受了点儿惊吓就成这样了,活该!也难怪,中国要是冲进中南海什么下场?看看六四天安门吧做下参考。
xiaoxiongxiaojie 发表于 2021-01-11 18:40

所以这次川粉完全跟五毛是同一口气在嘲笑美国民主的虚伪!
rosesavels
为啥nyc大选之前就知道把所有窗户board up?
而国会不知道?
如果有商户没有board up,被砸坏了,打电话,警察都不会来。
这次的问题其实是右派以前太守纪律了,要是以前就打砸抢,基本就不会有今天,因为国会就知道提前防守,或者下个跪之类的。
daysun 发表于 2021-01-11 19:09

谁知道那些爱国者会这样啊,把爱国者防贼一样防吗?就这么看不起人?
rosesavels
宪法第一句,we, the people. 没building啥事儿。 老百姓不重要什么重要?!
teapot 发表于 2021-01-11 19:26

你以为那些爱国者是为了building而来的?不是为了里面的人?绞刑架zip tie都跟你准备的妥妥的呢
Lavender_tutu
被打死的那个 起码为国服务过 是老兵。 被跪死那个, 明明是个瘾君子, 还用武器威胁过孕妇, 结果葬礼被放了国旗。
beth 发表于 2021-01-11 18:24

老兵就可以为所欲为?国会开会认证下一任总统时可以砸玻璃硬闯? 被跪死的那位虽然不配盖国旗下葬,但我觉得他至少不是自己去作死的。 老兵这次真的不占理。而且愚蠢的行为其实纵容的是高科技公司的霸权,以及民主党的势力。可叹!谁让任性boy脑袋里都是水呢。
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purple11777
暴力都应该为谴责,不管哪一边的。不过blm也烧了不少state,city building,市政厅,警察局,还有不少联邦building。这个性质有区别么?
baicai33
你以为那些爱国者是为了building而来的?不是为了里面的人?绞刑架zip tie都跟你准备的妥妥的呢
rosesavels 发表于 2021-01-11 19:46

他们认为"爱国者“要参观国会山
落地无声
可能有inside job吧,开除了2个国会警员,1位被捕,好几个接受调查
x
xiaoxiongxiaojie
不需要粉谁,美式民主不虚伪吗?哪个党要一党独大都要警惕。美国的两党制穷途末路,两个党的中间派应该成立第三个党,让两边的极端分子闹去。当然,这是不可能的。
小亥
如果你把商铺和国会大厦放一起比较,那你是真不明白宪法是什么。。。
joeblackgod 发表于 2021-01-11 18:37

轮子创粉都一个德行
在他们眼里,别人永远是错的。就他们知道民主。一不顺心,砸砸东西都是合理的
小亥
你不就是想打砸抢?
k
kreaty
香港示威者冲进立法会打出横幅只有暴政没有暴徒,南希议长大力支持,到这时候就变了。这帮政客们,small business很多几代人的心血毁于一旦,人家招谁惹谁了,peaceful protest死了那么多人也有黑人警察在内2 billion损失,一言不发轻描淡写,自己受了点儿惊吓就成这样了,活该!也难怪,中国要是冲进中南海什么下场?看看六四天安门吧做下参考。
xiaoxiongxiaojie 发表于 2021-01-11 18:40

佩洛西就是典型的双标婊~
梅干茶泡饭
暴力都应该为谴责,不管哪一边的。不过blm也烧了不少state,city building,市政厅,警察局,还有不少联邦building。这个性质有区别么?
purple11777 发表于 2021-01-11 19:56

so?这个作者参议员,人家也谴责了,还是给family business拨款建设最积极的参议员之一。你还想咋样?
别忙着给国会山暴乱洗地的了
coalpilerd
so?这个作者参议员,人家也谴责了,还是给family business拨款建设最积极的参议员之一。你还想咋样?
别忙着给国会山暴乱洗地的了
梅干茶泡饭 发表于 2021-01-11 22:38

去放狗搜了一下,这位身为共和党参议员,给ACB投了反对票,太有性格了。
r
rador
所以这次川粉完全跟五毛是同一口气在嘲笑美国民主的虚伪!
FTrumptards 发表于 2021-01-11 19:44

黄川对美国制度和形象的破坏力强过五毛一百倍。五毛们努力几十年没做到的事情,黄川们几个月就做到了
joeblackgod
宪法第一句,we, the people. 没building啥事儿。 老百姓不重要什么重要?!
teapot 发表于 2021-01-11 19:26

宪法三权分立你总该知道吧? 国会大厦不仅代表了立法权,而且可以说是立法权得到实施的关键部分之一,因为几百个议员不可能像总统一样在飞机或者度假村还能正常办公。 这还是在宪法里最重要的权力交接仪式,可以说这次如果控制不住,美国宪政都要没有了。
你说people,是没法作为一个宪法概念的。不然每个侵犯他人人身安全的案件都可以作为违宪了。这不是宪法的原意。
我耐心解释一次,你要是还胡搅蛮缠就互相拉黑吧。
joeblackgod
这次哪怕只有一个议员伤亡了,或者被绑架了,后面的暴动和内战跟BLM这点小打小闹可不是一个级别的。
badgerbadger 发表于 2021-01-11 19:34

说的好,这根本是不可想象的结果。到了那个地步,军方如果救不出来,直接把里面的暴徒全一国烩了都不过分。
joeblackgod
谁知道那些爱国者会这样啊,把爱国者防贼一样防吗?就这么看不起人?
rosesavels 发表于 2021-01-11 19:45

而且这次这些人是现任总统煽动来的。谁都没想到一个现任总统,手按在Bible上宣誓要捍卫宪法的,能煽动他的追随者干出这种事来。
落地无声
去放狗搜了一下,这位身为共和党参议员,给ACB投了反对票,太有性格了。
coalpilerd 发表于 2021-01-11 22:48

缅因的另一位独立参议员也非常有意思,上期60分钟节目有他的访问专辑。
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louaci
给国会暴动洗地的就像超速被抓了,大叫为啥别的超速不抓啊。。。密西根共和党议员peter meijer 也写了看到一个新议员犹豫了半天也知道所谓舞弊是鼓动脑残的,但还是怕家人安全受威胁投了反对票。
hualihu
很多人说起美国宪政比他亲爹还庄严 那么你扪心问一问美国这个屎坑国有宪政没有?!
民主党总统大佬搞儿童什么岛的事情 把人抓监狱里弄个名义就灭口。。 谋杀得黑幕太多了。。
咱别说这黑的 特朗普一开始封中国 民主党从加州到纽约不遵守隔离 跑出来跟总统做对。

我作为一个穷老百姓不懂宪政 却知道人做事要一致 要光明正大 美国国会比黑社会还黑 还有脸谈什么宪政?!
现在就是满世界报复灭口杀人 这世界与人类为敌的 也就美国国会了。 看这个架势,白人继续支持川爷 分分钟钟被发送台海送死 你说中国人民招谁惹谁了?
佩罗西才是应该被弹劾进监狱的 不是特朗普
d
dugudugu
发现好多川粉是法盲。
c
cable
缅因的另一位独立参议员也非常有意思,上期60分钟节目有他的访问专辑。
落地无声 发表于 2021-01-12 07:24

he and Bernie Sanders are the independent senators caucuses with the Democrats,
me2me2
不讨论政治观点对错
下面质问这些议员对打砸抢小商贩如何如何对
睁大眼睛看清楚这个作者和提到的两个参议员都是共和党!
三个对小business非常friendly的温和议员。其中这作者还说过''''''''I do not believe systemic racism is a problem in the state of Maine''''''''!
可见这些阴阳怪气的回复对打砸抢抱怨是小半,洗地才是真。
https://bangordailynews.com/2021/01/11/opinion/contributors/democracy-prevailed-over-the-rioters-who-sieged-the-capitol/ ......
My first thought was that the Iranians had followed through on their threat to strike the Capitol, but a police officer took over the podium and explained that violent demonstrators had breached the entire perimeter of the Capitol and were inside. Several of us pointed out that the doors to the press gallery were unlocked right above us. That tells you how overwhelmed and unprepared the Capitol Police were, although many, many of them were very courageous.
We were told to stay put in the chamber, which did not seem wise to me, because the rioters’ purpose was to disrupt the counting of the electoral vote, so they were clearly headed our way. Sen. Todd Young of Indiana, who had served in the Marines, moved over near Sen. Lisa Murkowski and me. Only later did I learn that he was positioning himself to repel the rioters and defend us.
Some time passed, and we were informed that we would be put on buses, which, it seemed to me, would make us sitting ducks had it been carried out. Finally, we were ushered out of the chamber and taken through the tunnels under the Capitol, with the police urging us to “hurry, hurry!” (Unfortunately, I had chosen to wear high heels that day so it was hard to run.)
We then spent many hours in a “secure location” in the complex, watching on television in disbelief as the rioters broke windows, scaled the scaffolding put in place for the inauguration and, most disconcerting, roamed around the Senate Chamber, with one thug sitting where the vice president had been presiding and others rummaging through our desks.
I was worried about my staff, but was told that the rioters were focused on the Capitol and not on the Senate office buildings where they were locked down. I kept in touch with them, nevertheless, and of course with my husband Tom Daffron, who relayed messages to the rest of my family.
I called and texted my closest contact at the White House to urge that the president immediately tell the rioters to stop their violence and go home. But President Donald Trump completely undercut that message by repeating his grievances and telling the rioters that he knew how they felt. This was terrible, especially since he incited them in the first place. We were brought some salads, sandwiches and water, but no one was allowed to leave. ...... The rest of the night I spent at Murkowski’s home because I was worried about finding a parking space that late and about the violent extremists knowing where I live, given the threats and security problems I have encountered during the past two years. The police drove us to Murkowski’s home, where her husband had built us a nice fire and had glasses of wine awaiting us.
读完了之后感想 1 若不是知道当时情况多么紧急,都要被警察想用大巴把参议员一起拉走的馊主意逗笑了 = = 2 最后的两个洛克菲勒共和党参议员姐俩关系还是挺好的,难怪可以默契轮流投票 3 这关头能站出来保护女士是真绅士 4 少穿高跟鞋
梅干茶泡饭 发表于 2021-01-11 18:12

试试想想冲击中南海,就知道为什么国会议员们这么震怒了,毕竟议员们就是人民代表啊
rosesavels
发现好多川粉是法盲。
dugudugu 发表于 2021-01-12 18:17

and proud of it