有人研究过saving bond么?

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momosun
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看板上有人提过I bond,研究了下发现还有另一种EE bond,都是国债,没有default risk,每人每年每种bond可以买一万块。指望这个财务自由是没戏了。
I bond是每年pay inflation。现在inflation是1.6%,比online savings 0.5%好
另一种EE bond更有趣,20年保证翻倍,3.5%的复合回报。但代价是提前赎回基本只能拿本金加一点点利息(0.1%每年)现在10年国债利率才1%,能拿满20年3.5% tax defer还是很吸引人,而且利息可以抵州税,要交联邦税。就是拿20年,要当retirement fund用了。

陈允恩
哪里去买呢?那天去银行,就看到前面的人在一张一张存saving bond,害得我等了一个小时。那个人存了80多张。我就好奇问他,这是啥,被告知,是saving bond. 然后他告诉我,买的时候面值100,现在160多美金。坐等高人来解答。
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anythingelse
同等高人解答。
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momosun
哪里去买呢?那天去银行,就看到前面的人在一张一张存saving bond,害得我等了一个小时。那个人存了80多张。我就好奇问他,这是啥,被告知,是saving bond. 然后他告诉我,买的时候面值100,现在160多美金。坐等高人来解答。
陈允恩 发表于 2021-01-02 08:33

现在好像只能在treasury direct的网上买
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Lcynthia500
看板上有人提过I bond,研究了下发现还有另一种EE bond,都是国债,没有default risk,每人每年每种bond可以买一万块。指望这个财务自由是没戏了。
I bond是每年pay inflation。现在inflation是1.6%,比online savings 0.5%好
另一种EE bond更有趣,20年保证翻倍,3.5%的复合回报。但代价是提前赎回基本只能拿本金加一点点利息(0.1%每年)现在10年国债利率才1%,能拿满20年3.5% tax defer还是很吸引人,而且利息可以抵州税,要交联邦税。就是拿20年,要当retirement fund用了。


momosun 发表于 2021-01-02 08:08

我们家买过少量ibond,就是在teasury direct网站上买。 这个就是作为应急资金的一部分,虽然流动性稍微差了点。
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yolandos
I used to buy 120K (with 4 SSN and 30K limit) a year i-bond when they allowed purchasing with credit cards. The rational behind the purchase was it yielded higher than CDs if you count in the credit card rebate. At that time, the fixed rate was much higher. I can count many benefits of i-bonds. There are no credit risk, they are 30 year tax deferral and potentially tax free under some circumstances (for example, use for education). The other potential benefit was hedge against inflation (CPI) but in reality, the government controls how CPI is calculated so the data can be massaged.
The fixed rate of i-bond is a constant once you purchased them (I think some of the i-bond issued in 2000s has the fixed rate of over 3%), and the float portion is reset every 6 months based on CPI. It is the best to purchase at the end of a month and sell at the beginning of a month because you get the interest of the whole month. I believe you need to hold i-bond for at least 11 months before you can liquidate and further if you have held it for less than 5 years, you lose the last 3 month of interest. Each bond can have a primary holder. secondary holder as well as beneficiary and whoever''s SSN that cashed out the bond ended up with the accrued interest and tax liability.
At this moment treasury direct limits purchase electronic i-bond to 10K per ssn. I typically pay extra on my tax return so when they refund the money, you can specify to be refunded in I-bond (max 5K).
All above came from the top of my head so double check with treasury direct for the latest.
EE-bond you buy at a discount so you get $100 bond for less than $100. I-bond you buy at par and interest accrues monthly.
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yolandos
哪里去买呢?那天去银行,就看到前面的人在一张一张存saving bond,害得我等了一个小时。那个人存了80多张。我就好奇问他,这是啥,被告知,是saving bond. 然后他告诉我,买的时候面值100,现在160多美金。坐等高人来解答。
陈允恩 发表于 2021-01-02 08:33

That can't be EE bond. EE bond you buy at a discount.
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shuaidou
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想问一下tax refund to ibond怎么操作?
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yolandos
回复 6楼yolandos的帖子
想问一下tax refund to ibond怎么操作?
shuaidou 发表于 2021-01-02 11:09

form 8888. you get paper i-bond. i-bond max denominator is 5K. tax refund is 5K for single and 10K for joint, btw.
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momosun
I used to buy 120K (with 4 SSN and 30K limit) a year i-bond when they allowed purchasing with credit cards. The rational behind the purchase was it yielded higher than CDs if you count in the credit card rebate. At that time, the fixed rate was much higher. I can count many benefits of i-bonds. There are no credit risk, they are 30 year tax deferral and potentially tax free under some circumstances (for example, use for education). The other potential benefit was hedge against inflation (CPI) but in reality, the government controls how CPI is calculated so the data can be massaged.
The fixed rate of i-bond is a constant once you purchased them (I think some of the i-bond issued in 2000s has the fixed rate of over 3%), and the float portion is reset every 6 months based on CPI. It is the best to purchase at the end of a month and sell at the beginning of a month because you get the interest of the whole month. I believe you need to hold i-bond for at least 11 months before you can liquidate and further if you have held it for less than 5 years, you lose the last 3 month of interest. Each bond can have a primary holder. secondary holder as well as beneficiary and whoever''s SSN that cashed out the bond ended up with the accrued interest and tax liability.
At this moment treasury direct limits purchase electronic i-bond to 10K per ssn. I typically pay extra on my tax return so when they refund the money, you can specify to be refunded in I-bond (max 5K).
All above came from the top of my head so double check with treasury direct for the latest.
EE-bond you buy at a discount so you get $100 bond for less than $100. I-bond you buy at par and interest accrues monthly.

yolandos 发表于 2021-01-02 10:47

Thank you very much. That is helpful.
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isukie
I used to buy 120K (with 4 SSN and 30K limit) a year i-bond when they allowed purchasing with credit cards. The rational behind the purchase was it yielded higher than CDs if you count in the credit card rebate. At that time, the fixed rate was much higher. I can count many benefits of i-bonds. There are no credit risk, they are 30 year tax deferral and potentially tax free under some circumstances (for example, use for education). The other potential benefit was hedge against inflation (CPI) but in reality, the government controls how CPI is calculated so the data can be massaged.
The fixed rate of i-bond is a constant once you purchased them (I think some of the i-bond issued in 2000s has the fixed rate of over 3%), and the float portion is reset every 6 months based on CPI. It is the best to purchase at the end of a month and sell at the beginning of a month because you get the interest of the whole month. I believe you need to hold i-bond for at least 11 months before you can liquidate and further if you have held it for less than 5 years, you lose the last 3 month of interest. Each bond can have a primary holder. secondary holder as well as beneficiary and whoever''s SSN that cashed out the bond ended up with the accrued interest and tax liability.
At this moment treasury direct limits purchase electronic i-bond to 10K per ssn. I typically pay extra on my tax return so when they refund the money, you can specify to be refunded in I-bond (max 5K).
All above came from the top of my head so double check with treasury direct for the latest.
EE-bond you buy at a discount so you get $100 bond for less than $100. I-bond you buy at par and interest accrues monthly.

yolandos 发表于 2021-01-02 10:47

退税可以退到ibond呀?我都不知道这个。谢啦
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boom
我在2001年911事件後買了一些ibond,那時候可以用信用卡買,還能賺1% bonus. 現在價值是面值的266%,目前利率4%+ 當時完全沒想持有幾年,時光飛逝,居然已經拿了20年了。
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amythest
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