The programs described in the article help 50 million people at an estimated cost of 1 percent of economic output, and the slant of this article is whether the programs are affordable or sustainable. And it fails to actually explore that question. It does however, point out problems and inequities. Is this simply US-centric journalistic bias, or part of a media austerity initiative? Because here in the USA, anytime someone proposes spending to help the poor, all we hear is that it's unaffordable (while lavishing tax breaks and subsidies on the wealthy and the corporations they own). 145 RecommendShare
CM CaliforniaDec. 31, 2020 Despite the skeptical tone of this article, it does reveal a gap in Times' reporting of China: it often ignores a large portion of government's effort that benefit Chinese people in order to not appear to be apologist for an authoritarian government. By doing so, the journal ignores some large parts of daily life in China. A case in point is the Chines anti-poverty program. This rare reporting is actually quite incomplete about the scope of the program: nearly every government offices, every state-owned enterprises and many private companies are involved. Nearly every city resident in recent years has been called upon to purchase products from poorest area of the country. Young managers in government agencies, state-owned enterprises viewed going to the poorest part of country as anti-poverty leaders as their tickets for fast career advancement. These highly educated young people usually commit themselves for up to 5 years working with poor villagers to find local products that might have appeals to urban consumers. So, providing a cow to a farmer is indeed just a tip of an iceberg. A deeper reporting would show that an authoritarian system can mobilize a society in ways difficult to imagine in a democratic system for good as well as for bad. How confident should we be that an authoritarian system is inherently not sustainable while our own liberal democratic system is always stable, especially now that a sitting president is trying to overturn the result of an election? 2 Replies131 RecommendShare Flagwaldo commented January 1 W waldo CanadaJan. 1 Kudos to the Chinese for doing this and shame on the media trying to belittle it. 124 RecommendShare FlagNancy commented January 1 N Nancy Great NeckJan. 1 Please, please, enough of such "reporting." This is not reporting, but simply finding a way to bash and smash China for what is truly wonderful. The development of China is truly wonderful and should serve as an example through the developing world. We should take delight in the thoroughly benign development of China. 117 RecommendShare FlagYC commented December 31, 2020 Y YC BaltimoreDec. 31, 2020 But al least China is trying to help the poor. What is our government doing? Nothing. 104 RecommendShare FlagJosh commented December 31, 2020 J Josh UtahDec. 31, 2020 The American population is definitely misinformed about China, largely due to reports from media like this one. Politicians then take advantage about these misinformation, especially during elections, and pretend to promise toughness in dealing with "communist" China (in many cases, without much knowledge and justification, but merely demagogues and lazy racism). Countries should learn from China. For past 40 years, China have had lift a direly poor country into the NO.1 economy. You cannot do that by pretending doing things only to remain in power. 97 RecommendShare FlagJim Greenwood commented December 31, 2020 J Jim Greenwood VTDec. 31, 2020 My thoughts reflect many others'. Why the negative tone? Our government gave the rich $2 Trillion in tax breaks, and your journalist is making a big whoop over $700 Billion, in a country with about four times the population of the US. This does not seem to be an opinion piece, but it does not seem to be journalism, either I think it shows poor judgment, and reflects poorly on the NYT's values. 1 Reply96 RecommendShare FlagTony Manicotti commented December 31, 2020 T Tony Manicotti Utqiagvik (Barrow) AlaskaDec. 31, 2020 I was raised in a small regional city in northwest Iran in the early 1970s and witnessed first hand the rapid modernization / Westernization of Tehran and other larger cities with the prosperity brought by oil production and trade with Western countries. Everyone had a television no matter how poor they were bombarding them with commercials showing how quickly conditions were improving for city dwellers while the rest of us were left behind. I wasn't aware at the time but learned later that fostered extreme anger and frustration in those left behind by the prosperity for so many in the cities we only saw on our television screens. The economic disparity between the majority of population left behind by this economic prosperity and Westernization is what created the backlash that turned Iran from a one man dictatorship enforced through terror by the Shah to a theocratic dictatorship which was bad and in many ways worse than the Shah. That same economic disparity in China is probably what is driving the central government to try improving conditions in rural areas to avoid the same backlash. That same economic disparity in the United States in a large part explains Trump's success. 3 Replies86 RecommendShare FlagJames commented December 31, 2020 J James Los AngelesDec. 31, 2020 Which society is more brainwashed? 1) the one which must be lifted from poverty to remain content with its government, or 2) the one that happily swallows the excuse that there is "not enough money" to fund social welfare whilst billionaires get massive tax cuts, murder countless numbers with opioids, and rape children without serious consequences? 84 RecommendShare FlagNancy commented January 1 N Nancy Great NeckJan. 1 The development of China has been a miracle, a hard-wrought miracle, that deserves only to stand as a model for other developing countries. I am thrilled with the success of the Chinese anti-poverty programs. 78 RecommendShare FlagJenny1991 commented December 31, 2020 J Jenny1991 LondonDec. 31, 2020Times Pick Your observation is very insightful. Yes, the CCP has many flaws/problems and corruption is widespread within the government, but it has done a lot to improve the lives of the people. This is why many Chinese people still support the CCP—an evil force in the eyes of many westerners. 78 RecommendShare FlagMichael commented December 31, 2020 M Michael London UKDec. 31, 2020 As so often with antipoverty programs the proper question is not can we afford it but can we afford NOT to do it ? And the correct answer is no, we cannot afford not to do it. 77 RecommendShare FlagBelasco commented December 31, 2020 B Belasco Reichenbach FallsDec. 31, 2020 "That approach has relied on massive, possibly unsustainable subsidies to create jobs and build better housing." "Possibly unsustainable." It's funny how reflexively in this country get people get excited when monies are allegedly "wasted" on poverty alleviation programs but sit on their hands while literally trillions are wasted in bloated military budgets on warfare and weapons. The Chinese build infrastructure roads and schools etc... not just in China but around the world rather than missiles that sit in silos or weapons that ideally grow rust waiting for the opportunity to kill. The Chinese have chosen butter over guns and clearly if the last 40 years is any evidence have chosen wisely. The US with its endless forever wars over the same period did not. The time for talking the democracy promotion game while not really helping the people has passed. If this is indeed an "existential systems competition" the US better get its priorities straight. 72 RecommendShare FlagLuke Liem commented December 31, 2020 L Luke Liem San DiegoDec. 31, 2020 At least China is making poverty alleviation a key pillar for regime survival and doing something about it. Here in the USA, we would not do a thing for our poor because that would be against our Free Market principle. 72 RecommendShare FlagEdison commented January 1 E Edison LondonJan. 1 If Covid has shown us anything, it is that governments around the world are all capable of mishandling the virus, indeed one may argue that China handled the virus comparatively well, compared to Sweden, US, the UK, etc. Why, then, should China be held responsible for a naturally occurring virus that happened to originate there which it handled just as well/badly as any government can be expected to? 68 RecommendShare FlagYulia Berkowitz commented December 31, 2020 Y Yulia Berkowitz NYCDec. 31, 2020 I applaud the NYT for admitting the obvious (to those of us who read other world press often in a different language): in a very short time (historically) China has done what America has not in its 200+ year history: virtually eliminated extreme poverty. Without invading anyone and / or ripping anyone off, China has uplifted literally tens of MILLIONS of her citizens. I hate the Communist regime, but acknowledge that without it, such a fit would be near impossible. Give credit where credit is due. 2 Replies66 RecommendShare FlagPal commented December 31, 2020 P Pal AZDec. 31, 2020 China spends money to help the poor, and we spend money for tax cuts for billionaires and on wars around the world. 63 RecommendShare FlagDr. Conde commented January 1 Dr. Conde Medford, MA.Jan. 1Times Pick I think the uber-political, heavy-handed way the program is managed under a President-for-life, like seemingly everything done by the Chinese government, creates almost as many problems as they are trying to solve. They are provincial in their approach to others. On the other hand, just the fact that the Chinese are using their incredible wealth and resources to lift the poor and to eradicate structural poverty makes this century theirs just as the Marshall Plan and the GI Bill made the last century ours. Because morally and economically, the Chinese are right. You create stable wealth for your entire nation when you focus resources on righting income inequality, and not when you exacerbate it as we have done under Republicans. And then you can use that wealth to deal with others on an equal or arrogant footing and thus, keep your people safe. 59 RecommendShare Flagbrendan fitzsimons commented December 31, 2020 B brendan fitzsimons IrelandDec. 31, 2020 Imagine that...costly subsidies to the poorest with the stated aim of lifting them out of poverty by subsidization! Would never happen in a "free" country.... 57 RecommendShare FlagTK Sung commented December 31, 2020 T TK Sung SFDec. 31, 2020 We spend $20 billion to subsidize 2 million farmers every year, not counting the billions Trump spent to prop up his base. That comes out to be $10k per farmer per year. $700 billion spent on 50 million Chinese farmers over 5 years come out to be about $2700. I'd say Chinese taxpayers are getting a little more for their money. And they could sustain, or even expand, it by taxing their coastal riches who throw their money on foreign luxury goods and real estates like there is no tomorrow. 54 RecommendShare FlagKen cooper commented December 31, 2020 K Ken cooper Albuquerque, NMDec. 31, 2020 In China, they should thank their lucky stars that they don't have a Mitch McConnell equivalent in their government. 50 RecommendShare Flag READ MORE Access more of The Times by creating a free account or logging in. Access more for free.
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W waldo CanadaJan. 1 Kudos to the Chinese for doing this and shame on the media trying to belittle it.
124 RecommendShare Flag Nancy commented January 1
N Nancy Great NeckJan. 1 Please, please, enough of such "reporting." This is not reporting, but simply finding a way to bash and smash China for what is truly wonderful. The development of China is truly wonderful and should serve as an example through the developing world.
We should take delight in the thoroughly benign development of China. 117 RecommendShare Flag YC commented December 31, 2020
Y YC BaltimoreDec. 31, 2020 But al least China is trying to help the poor.
What is our government doing? Nothing. 104 RecommendShare Flag Josh commented December 31, 2020
J Josh UtahDec. 31, 2020 The American population is definitely misinformed about China, largely due to reports from media like this one. Politicians then take advantage about these misinformation, especially during elections, and pretend to promise toughness in dealing with "communist" China (in many cases, without much knowledge and justification, but merely demagogues and lazy racism).
Countries should learn from China. For past 40 years, China have had lift a direly poor country into the NO.1 economy. You cannot do that by pretending doing things only to remain in power. 97 RecommendShare Flag Jim Greenwood commented December 31, 2020
J Jim Greenwood VTDec. 31, 2020 My thoughts reflect many others'. Why the negative tone? Our government gave the rich $2 Trillion in tax breaks, and your journalist is making a big whoop over $700 Billion, in a country with about four times the population of the US. This does not seem to be an opinion piece, but it does not seem to be journalism, either I think it shows poor judgment, and reflects poorly on the NYT's values. 1 Reply96 RecommendShare Flag Tony Manicotti commented December 31, 2020
T Tony Manicotti Utqiagvik (Barrow) AlaskaDec. 31, 2020 I was raised in a small regional city in northwest Iran in the early 1970s and witnessed first hand the rapid modernization / Westernization of Tehran and other larger cities with the prosperity brought by oil production and trade with Western countries. Everyone had a television no matter how poor they were bombarding them with commercials showing how quickly conditions were improving for city dwellers while the rest of us were left behind. I wasn't aware at the time but learned later that fostered extreme anger and frustration in those left behind by the prosperity for so many in the cities we only saw on our television screens. The economic disparity between the majority of population left behind by this economic prosperity and Westernization is what created the backlash that turned Iran from a one man dictatorship enforced through terror by the Shah to a theocratic dictatorship which was bad and in many ways worse than the Shah. That same economic disparity in China is probably what is driving the central government to try improving conditions in rural areas to avoid the same backlash. That same economic disparity in the United States in a large part explains Trump's success. 3 Replies86 RecommendShare Flag James commented December 31, 2020
J James Los AngelesDec. 31, 2020 Which society is more brainwashed?
1) the one which must be lifted from poverty to remain content with its government, or
2) the one that happily swallows the excuse that there is "not enough money" to fund social welfare whilst billionaires get massive tax cuts, murder countless numbers with opioids, and rape children without serious consequences? 84 RecommendShare Flag Nancy commented January 1
N Nancy Great NeckJan. 1 The development of China has been a miracle, a hard-wrought miracle, that deserves only to stand as a model for other developing countries. I am thrilled with the success of the Chinese anti-poverty programs. 78 RecommendShare Flag Jenny1991 commented December 31, 2020
J Jenny1991 LondonDec. 31, 2020 Times Pick Your observation is very insightful. Yes, the CCP has many flaws/problems and corruption is widespread within the government, but it has done a lot to improve the lives of the people. This is why many Chinese people still support the CCP—an evil force in the eyes of many westerners. 78 RecommendShare Flag Michael commented December 31, 2020
M Michael London UKDec. 31, 2020 As so often with antipoverty programs the proper question is not can we afford it but can we afford NOT to do it ? And the correct answer is no, we cannot afford not to do it. 77 RecommendShare Flag Belasco commented December 31, 2020
B Belasco Reichenbach FallsDec. 31, 2020 "That approach has relied on massive, possibly unsustainable subsidies to create jobs and build better housing." "Possibly unsustainable." It's funny how reflexively in this country get people get excited when monies are allegedly "wasted" on poverty alleviation programs but sit on their hands while literally trillions are wasted in bloated military budgets on warfare and weapons. The Chinese build infrastructure roads and schools etc... not just in China but around the world rather than missiles that sit in silos or weapons that ideally grow rust waiting for the opportunity to kill. The Chinese have chosen butter over guns and clearly if the last 40 years is any evidence have chosen wisely. The US with its endless forever wars over the same period did not. The time for talking the democracy promotion game while not really helping the people has passed. If this is indeed an "existential systems competition" the US better get its priorities straight. 72 RecommendShare Flag Luke Liem commented December 31, 2020
L Luke Liem San DiegoDec. 31, 2020 At least China is making poverty alleviation a key pillar for regime survival and doing something about it. Here in the USA, we would not do a thing for our poor because that would be against our Free Market principle. 72 RecommendShare Flag Edison commented January 1
E Edison LondonJan. 1 If Covid has shown us anything, it is that governments around the world are all capable of mishandling the virus, indeed one may argue that China handled the virus comparatively well, compared to Sweden, US, the UK, etc. Why, then, should China be held responsible for a naturally occurring virus that happened to originate there which it handled just as well/badly as any government can be expected to? 68 RecommendShare Flag Yulia Berkowitz commented December 31, 2020
Y Yulia Berkowitz NYCDec. 31, 2020 I applaud the NYT for admitting the obvious (to those of us who read other world press often in a different language): in a very short time (historically) China has done what America has not in its 200+ year history: virtually eliminated extreme poverty. Without invading anyone and / or ripping anyone off, China has uplifted literally tens of MILLIONS of her citizens. I hate the Communist regime, but acknowledge that without it, such a fit would be near impossible. Give credit where credit is due. 2 Replies66 RecommendShare Flag Pal commented December 31, 2020
P Pal AZDec. 31, 2020 China spends money to help the poor, and we spend money for tax cuts for billionaires and on wars around the world.
63 RecommendShare Flag Dr. Conde commented January 1
B brendan fitzsimons IrelandDec. 31, 2020 Imagine that...costly subsidies to the poorest with the stated aim of lifting them out of poverty by subsidization!
Would never happen in a "free" country.... 57 RecommendShare Flag TK Sung commented December 31, 2020
T TK Sung SFDec. 31, 2020 We spend $20 billion to subsidize 2 million farmers every year, not counting the billions Trump spent to prop up his base. That comes out to be $10k per farmer per year. $700 billion spent on 50 million Chinese farmers over 5 years come out to be about $2700. I'd say Chinese taxpayers are getting a little more for their money. And they could sustain, or even expand, it by taxing their coastal riches who throw their money on foreign luxury goods and real estates like there is no tomorrow. 54 RecommendShare Flag Ken cooper commented December 31, 2020
K Ken cooper Albuquerque, NMDec. 31, 2020 In China, they should thank their lucky stars that they don't have a Mitch McConnell equivalent in their government.
50 RecommendShare Flag READ MORE Access more of The Times by creating a free account or logging in. Access more for free.
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<YC BaltimoreDec. 31, 2020 But al least China is trying to help the poor.
What is our government doing? Nothing.>
<Luke Liem San DiegoDec. 31, 2020 At least China is making poverty alleviation a key pillar for regime survival and doing something about it. Here in the USA, we would not do a thing for our poor because that would be against our Free Market principle.>
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"湾区的高速两边为什么这么脏？ https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2638761&fid=398"
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帝 還沒發上吧 只肯給油跟米
李克强口中那些人估计和你着急。美国4 到8年换一届政府。中共的也就剩下宣传了
我认为，在将今天的成就与过去的成就进行比较时，应根据已证明的进展，鼓励明天做得更好。
我看过一些照片/文章，展示了新建的各种基础设施。