周一(12/28/2020),以色列老人注射辉瑞疫苗后两小时死于心脏衰竭,但官方否认死于疫苗;日本国参议员因新肺炎死亡,

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minqidev
楼主 (北美华人网)
Man''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''s fatal heart attack likely unlinked to vaccine he took hours before - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)
A 75-year-old man from Beit She’an died of a heart attack about two hours after being vaccinated against the novel coronavirus on Monday morning, the Health Ministry reported. The man had preexisting conditions and had suffered from heart attacks in the past, it said.
Health Ministry director-general Chezy Levy has launched an investigation into the incident. “We share in the grief of the family,” he said in a statement.
According to reports, the man was inoculated at around 8:30 a.m. at a Clalit Health Services clinic. He stayed at the facility, as is customary, for a short period of time to ensure he had no side effects. When he felt well, the clinic released him.
The initial findings do not show a link between the man’s death and his vaccination, Levy said.
When Pfizer presented its safety data to the US Food and Drug Administration in early December, it was found that two trial participants had died after receiving the vaccine. One of the deceased was immunocompromised, meaning the person’s immune defenses were low.
In response to the report of those deaths, Israel’s Midaat Association said when vaccines are administered to at-risk populations, “there may be unfortunate cases. One should not infer from this about the safety of the vaccine, but welcome the transparency required from the pharma companies in the drug approval process.”
In large trials of tens of thousands of people, death can occur without any connection to the trial, but companies such as Pfizer are required to report those deaths, Midaat said at the time. “According to the published data, six of the participants in the experiment died, two of whom received the vaccine and four of the control group,” said Dr. Uri Lerner, Midaat’s scientific director. “After an in-depth examination, no connection was found between the experiment and the cause of death.”
Conspiracy theories surrounding side effects and claimed dangers of the newly released coronavirus vaccines have spread rapidly throughout social media. The main side effects reported in the trials of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were pain, swelling and redness at the site of injection and chills, tiredness and headaches. But these effects usually only lasted a few hours or days at most.
Any potential longer-term side effects are still unverified, as the vaccines are still new. However, the majority of health officials have said they believe the vaccines will cause no long-term harm. In Israel, more than 80% of medical personnel are expected to be inoculated. As of Monday evening, Israel had vaccinated 500,000 citizens with the first dose of the coronavirus vaccine. According to Health Minister Yuli Edelstein, 99,000 people were vaccinated on Sunday. Currently, Israel is vaccinating medical personnel, people over the age of 60 and those with chronic illnesses. It hopes to begin vaccinating teachers and school staff later this week or next. The IDF vaccination campaign kicked off on Monday. Israel hopes to vaccinate as many as 150,000 people per day, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Saturday night. If successful, 2.25 million Israelis will be vaccinated within a month and a half. 
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frankingcn2
这样的应该是有别的病症吧,就算不注射疫苗如果不幸感染新冠也够呛了。
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Duoremi
——-The man had preexisting conditions and had suffered from heart attacks in the past, it said.
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mindstorm
Man''''''''s fatal heart attack likely unlinked to vaccine he took hours before - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)
A 75-year-old man from Beit She’an died of a heart attack about two hours after being vaccinated against the novel coronavirus on Monday morning, the Health Ministry reported. The man had preexisting conditions and had suffered from heart attacks in the past, it said.
Health Ministry director-general Chezy Levy has launched an investigation into the incident. “We share in the grief of the family,” he said in a statement.
According to reports, the man was inoculated at around 8:30 a.m. at a Clalit Health Services clinic. He stayed at the facility, as is customary, for a short period of time to ensure he had no side effects. When he felt well, the clinic released him.
The initial findings do not show a link between the man’s death and his vaccination, Levy said.
When Pfizer presented its safety data to the US Food and Drug Administration in early December, it was found that two trial participants had died after receiving the vaccine. One of the deceased was immunocompromised, meaning the person’s immune defenses were low.
In response to the report of those deaths, Israel’s Midaat Association said when vaccines are administered to at-risk populations, “there may be unfortunate cases. One should not infer from this about the safety of the vaccine, but welcome the transparency required from the pharma companies in the drug approval process.”
In large trials of tens of thousands of people, death can occur without any connection to the trial, but companies such as Pfizer are required to report those deaths, Midaat said at the time. “According to the published data, six of the participants in the experiment died, two of whom received the vaccine and four of the control group,” said Dr. Uri Lerner, Midaat’s scientific director. “After an in-depth examination, no connection was found between the experiment and the cause of death.”
Conspiracy theories surrounding side effects and claimed dangers of the newly released coronavirus vaccines have spread rapidly throughout social media. The main side effects reported in the trials of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were pain, swelling and redness at the site of injection and chills, tiredness and headaches. But these effects usually only lasted a few hours or days at most.
Any potential longer-term side effects are still unverified, as the vaccines are still new. However, the majority of health officials have said they believe the vaccines will cause no long-term harm. In Israel, more than 80% of medical personnel are expected to be inoculated. As of Monday evening, Israel had vaccinated 500,000 citizens with the first dose of the coronavirus vaccine. According to Health Minister Yuli Edelstein, 99,000 people were vaccinated on Sunday. Currently, Israel is vaccinating medical personnel, people over the age of 60 and those with chronic illnesses. It hopes to begin vaccinating teachers and school staff later this week or next. The IDF vaccination campaign kicked off on Monday. Israel hopes to vaccinate as many as 150,000 people per day, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Saturday night. If successful, 2.25 million Israelis will be vaccinated within a month and a half. 

minqidev 发表于 2020-12-29 00:48

年老,病人如果有条件的隔离居家的话,先等等再打比较安全。
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CleverBeaver
年老,病人如果有条件的隔离居家的话,先等等再打比较安全。
mindstorm 发表于 2020-12-29 01:19

+1
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mindstorm
——-The man had preexisting conditions and had suffered from heart attacks in the past, it said.
Duoremi 发表于 2020-12-29 01:18

个例不说明啥。但如果再有多例有心脏病的死亡,估计就要禁病人打Pfizer 疫苗了。
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minqidev
个例不说明啥。但如果再有多例有心脏病的死亡,估计就要禁病人打Pfizer 疫苗了。
mindstorm 发表于 2020-12-29 01:22

如此类比的是,当时巴西的疫苗,有个人车祸自杀死亡,可是全世界关注啊,特别是弯弯媒体,直接说太危险。
木瓜瓜
这是个体差异+preexisting condition. 属于可接受范围,即便是疫苗引发的。等有类似情况10 例在以国,再来说不迟。
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minqidev
这是个体差异+preexisting condition. 属于可接受范围,即便是疫苗引发的。等有类似情况10 例在以国,再来说不迟。
木瓜瓜 发表于 2020-12-29 01:29

对,你这个态度是对的,疫苗都有一定风险的,这个需要自己掂量。能保住大部分就行。 可能以后就是要求,之前有心脏病的,年龄大的注意以下。
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CleverBeaver
感谢勇者们
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tinyrice
莱克多巴蛙的媒体哪去了
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Phantasialand
省省吧,这些孤例改变不了辉瑞疫苗全球一剂难求的局面,天朝官老爷还等着打呢。
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lavahx
这要是中国疫苗造成的,轻松评论过10页
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bbalyssa
这要是中国疫苗造成的,轻松评论过10页
lavahx 发表于 2020-12-29 07:49

中国疫苗100%安全 你听说过有过敏/死亡发生的吗 都开始让家长报名给孩子打了 辉瑞疫苗根本比不了
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cathytree
很有可能是太紧张造成的。和那个晕过去的差不多。
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bigjohn123456
这要是中国疫苗造成的,轻松评论过10页
lavahx 发表于 2020-12-29 07:49

你们这些阴阳怪气的人,平时不看新闻么?
中国新冠疫苗打了上百万人但不给老年人打,不用担心老人挂了赖在疫苗头上。


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Chipette
这要是两天还有可能跟疫苗有点关系 才打进去两个小时 mRNA还没开始翻译呢 更不要说免疫系统针对外源蛋白的反应 啥都没开始怎么造成heart attack
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bigjohn123456
辉瑞的疫苗打了几百万人。https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
很多国家老年人优先,那么算1%的60岁以上老人接种也有几万人了。
这几万人,平均寿命还剩下20年,不错了吧。那么接下来平均每天都可以看到接种了mRNA疫苗的老人死亡。
吓人吧??

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sillynut
现在有多少老人注射疫苗了?反应如何?这个需要科学数据分析,个例肯定会出现,需要科学分析报告。
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msqs
年老,病人如果有条件的隔离居家的话,先等等再打比较安全。
mindstorm 发表于 2020-12-29 01:19

我们儿医年纪大,就说不打
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nj_guy
这个人以前有过心脏病,未必一定有联系,不过以前犯过心脏病的最好还是先别打,过一阵子再看。不管怎么讲,70多岁j心脏病,挨两个大耳刮子都有可能要死人,更别说药物反应了。
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Abbots
辉瑞的疫苗打了几百万人。https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
很多国家老年人优先,那么算1%的60岁以上老人接种也有几万人了。
这几万人,平均寿命还剩下20年,不错了吧。那么接下来平均每天都可以看到接种了mRNA疫苗的老人死亡。
吓人吧??


bigjohn123456 发表于 2020-12-29 10:32

对比中国的疫苗,只能60岁以下打。
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bigjohn123456
对比中国的疫苗,只能60岁以下打。

Abbots 发表于 2020-12-29 11:29

所以说西方人就是傻呀。
英国第一个给90岁老太注射Pfizer/BioNTech疫苗,多少双眼睛盯着,而且又没有新闻审查过滤“寻衅滋事”的信息。 要是人家没几天挂了,岂不是黄泥巴掉进裤裆里了?

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bjandas
打了疫苗的老人应该不少了,美国德国以外的国家,目前这种例子很少,是不是说明短期看疫苗还是很安全的?否则不就是天天一堆老人打了疫苗严重不良反应挂了的新闻了?
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underdoc
根据我国卫生部的统计,我国新生儿(0~28天)死亡率为10.7‰,全国每年出生儿童约为1600万名。据此推算,全国每年约有17万名新生儿死亡,即每天约有466名新生儿死亡。按照我国乙肝疫苗免疫程序规定,为了提高防疫效果,乙肝疫苗需在儿童出生后24小时内接种,以全国新生儿乙肝疫苗首针及时(出生后24小时内)接种率75%计算,则每天约有350名新生儿死亡者接种了乙肝疫苗,即全国每天新生儿接种乙肝疫苗可能出现偶合死亡350起。
  而这样的死亡,有很多死亡案例疫苗并没有任何责任。也就是说,就是不注射乙肝疫苗,这些新生儿依旧会死亡。
为屏蔽某人而注册
打了疫苗的老人应该不少了,美国德国以外的国家,目前这种例子很少,是不是说明短期看疫苗还是很安全的?否则不就是天天一堆老人打了疫苗严重不良反应挂了的新闻了?
bjandas 发表于 2020-12-29 13:34

今天英国打第一针的老人打了第二针!
为屏蔽某人而注册
对比中国的疫苗,只能60岁以下打。

Abbots 发表于 2020-12-29 11:29

这是什么操作?最高危的不打低危打?内部知道副作用大?
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woyaoshou
这事要是发生在中国疫苗身上,然后官方辟谣说跟疫苗无关,你看论坛上的一帮狗子们会有多么激愤。
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amandalee
这是什么操作?最高危的不打低危打?内部知道副作用大?

为屏蔽某人而注册 发表于 2020-12-29 13:59

我盆友猜测六十以上风险大 然后上面也不太在乎这个族群 如果是高干有关系的能排到那一亿吧
千渔千寻
让领导先打
千渔千寻
回复 13楼lavahx的帖子
国家一换,评论上万

吃鸡蛋
这个人以前有过心脏病,未必一定有联系,不过以前犯过心脏病的最好还是先别打,过一阵子再看。不管怎么讲,70多岁j心脏病,挨两个大耳刮子都有可能要死人,更别说药物反应了。
nj_guy 发表于 2020-12-29 11:21

想起国内的一个纠纷,老头电梯里吸烟,医生邻居跟他理论,老头气急败坏心脏病发作死了
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bigjohn123456
这事要是发生在中国疫苗身上,然后官方辟谣说跟疫苗无关,你看论坛上的一帮狗子们会有多么激愤。
woyaoshou 发表于 2020-12-29 14:08

不需要,中国疫苗注射了1百万人,没有任何官方不良反应数据公布,不信你去找来给我看看。
不公布就行了,这下你体会到新闻审查制度的牛逼了吧?
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Phantasialand
这事要是发生在中国疫苗身上,然后官方辟谣说跟疫苗无关,你看论坛上的一帮狗子们会有多么激愤。
woyaoshou 发表于 2020-12-29 14:08

这不正说明独裁体制让人不信任嘛,辉瑞疫苗公开透明让人能理智判断。
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llp1224
Man''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''s fatal heart attack likely unlinked to vaccine he took hours before - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)
A 75-year-old man from Beit She’an died of a heart attack about two hours after being vaccinated against the novel coronavirus on Monday morning, the Health Ministry reported. The man had preexisting conditions and had suffered from heart attacks in the past, it said.
Health Ministry director-general Chezy Levy has launched an investigation into the incident. “We share in the grief of the family,” he said in a statement.
According to reports, the man was inoculated at around 8:30 a.m. at a Clalit Health Services clinic. He stayed at the facility, as is customary, for a short period of time to ensure he had no side effects. When he felt well, the clinic released him.
The initial findings do not show a link between the man’s death and his vaccination, Levy said.
When Pfizer presented its safety data to the US Food and Drug Administration in early December, it was found that two trial participants had died after receiving the vaccine. One of the deceased was immunocompromised, meaning the person’s immune defenses were low.
In response to the report of those deaths, Israel’s Midaat Association said when vaccines are administered to at-risk populations, “there may be unfortunate cases. One should not infer from this about the safety of the vaccine, but welcome the transparency required from the pharma companies in the drug approval process.”
In large trials of tens of thousands of people, death can occur without any connection to the trial, but companies such as Pfizer are required to report those deaths, Midaat said at the time. “According to the published data, six of the participants in the experiment died, two of whom received the vaccine and four of the control group,” said Dr. Uri Lerner, Midaat’s scientific director. “After an in-depth examination, no connection was found between the experiment and the cause of death.”
Conspiracy theories surrounding side effects and claimed dangers of the newly released coronavirus vaccines have spread rapidly throughout social media. The main side effects reported in the trials of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were pain, swelling and redness at the site of injection and chills, tiredness and headaches. But these effects usually only lasted a few hours or days at most.
Any potential longer-term side effects are still unverified, as the vaccines are still new. However, the majority of health officials have said they believe the vaccines will cause no long-term harm. In Israel, more than 80% of medical personnel are expected to be inoculated. As of Monday evening, Israel had vaccinated 500,000 citizens with the first dose of the coronavirus vaccine. According to Health Minister Yuli Edelstein, 99,000 people were vaccinated on Sunday. Currently, Israel is vaccinating medical personnel, people over the age of 60 and those with chronic illnesses. It hopes to begin vaccinating teachers and school staff later this week or next. The IDF vaccination campaign kicked off on Monday. Israel hopes to vaccinate as many as 150,000 people per day, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Saturday night. If successful, 2.25 million Israelis will be vaccinated within a month and a half. 

minqidev 发表于 2020-12-29 00:48

没选择的话只能打啊 希望年轻点体质好点
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robertshen8
刚注射两小时就死于心脏衰竭,说跟疫苗没关系打死我都不会相信,一个新疫苗没有五六年的实验周期是不成熟的,这次各国因为经济原因快速推广疫苗是非常不负责任的,等着看吧,后面还会有越来越多关于疫苗带来的问题
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mindstorm
不需要,中国疫苗注射了1百万人,没有任何官方不良反应数据公布,不信你去找来给我看看。
不公布就行了,这下你体会到新闻审查制度的牛逼了吧?
bigjohn123456 发表于 2020-12-29 17:55

现在自媒体时代 ,能堵住中国每一个人的嘴?能堵住中国,能堵住巴西?想黑中国,还是找点别的吧。
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mindstorm
刚注射两小时就死于心脏衰竭,说跟疫苗没关系打死我都不会相信,一个新疫苗没有五六年的实验周期是不成熟的,这次各国因为经济原因快速推广疫苗是非常不负责任的,等着看吧,后面还会有越来越多关于疫苗带来的问题
robertshen8 发表于 2020-12-29 18:55

这个肯定与疫苗有关。但我以为还是个例,不要担心 。
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mindstorm
如此类比的是,当时巴西的疫苗,有个人车祸自杀死亡,可是全世界关注啊,特别是弯弯媒体,直接说太危险。
minqidev 发表于 2020-12-29 01:27

那些是专业黑中国的,跟疫苗好不好,根本没有关系。目前看,中国疫苗应当没有什么问题,有传统的通病,但象版上天天科普的灭活疫苗不好的,不科普一下MRNA的坏处,就是故意的了。
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CleverBeaver
那些是专业黑中国的,跟疫苗好不好,根本没有关系。目前看,中国疫苗应当没有什么问题,有传统的通病,但象版上天天科普的灭活疫苗不好的,不科普一下MRNA的坏处,就是故意的了。

mindstorm 发表于 2020-12-29 20:14

确实有点biased
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mindstorm
确实有点biased
CleverBeaver 发表于 2020-12-29 20:15

理论上,MRNA疫苗本质应当算是转基因疫苗。
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aiyamayayongle
回复 36楼robertshen8的帖子
这个个例还真不好说,也没有控制组提供参考数据……
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lovery
回复 41楼mindstorm的帖子
又来了。中国基础教育真是堪忧,mRNA 和转基因都能扯在一起。
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mindstorm
回复 41楼mindstorm的帖子
又来了。中国基础教育真是堪忧,mRNA 和转基因都能扯在一起。
lovery 发表于 2020-12-29 20:25

高中没上完的自动一边去。
重组的MRNA是遗传物质,将重组的活性遗传物质转入活的生物体内,并成功表达目的蛋白,这是一次完美完整的转基因过程。
只不过,跟你们这些高中没毕业的认为的不同的是,这不是稳定表达,只是短期表达,不涉及人体本身DNA基因重组
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aiyamayayongle
回复 25楼underdoc的帖子
等一下,现有的新生儿死亡率是在有新生儿注射乙肝疫苗的情况下统计出来的,对吧?那么怎么断定这千分之10.7的死亡率和乙肝疫苗无关?换句话说,怎么断定这些死亡的新生儿不是因为乙肝疫苗而死亡的?
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minqidev
高中没上完的自动一边去。
重组的MRNA是遗传物质,将重组的活性遗传物质转入活的生物体内,并成功表达目的蛋白,这是一次完美完整的转基因过程。
只不过,跟你们这些高中没毕业的认为的不同的是,这不是稳定表达,只是短期表达,不涉及人体本身DNA基因重组
mindstorm 发表于 2020-12-29 20:31

mRNA如果按中文理解,就是转基因技术疫苗。这没什么好说的。 只是,mRNA不会修改和编辑人类的基因。
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mindstorm
回复 25楼underdoc的帖子
等一下,现有的新生儿死亡率是在有新生儿注射乙肝疫苗的情况下统计出来的,对吧?那么怎么断定这千分之10.7的死亡率和乙肝疫苗无关?换句话说,怎么断定这些死亡的新生儿不是因为乙肝疫苗而死亡的?
aiyamayayongle 发表于 2020-12-29 20:33

这个找出对照数据很容易。肯定不是。
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mindstorm
mRNA如果按中文理解,就是转基因技术疫苗。这没什么好说的。
minqidev 发表于 2020-12-29 20:33

他们一会儿估计会拿刚学会没几天的逆转录酶来说事。. 这种全民接种的大事,全民沉默,包括顶尖科学家,其实很WEIRD.
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minqidev
他们一会儿估计会拿刚学会没几天的逆转录酶来说事。. 这种全民接种的大事,全民沉默,包括顶尖科学家,其实很WEIRD.
mindstorm 发表于 2020-12-29 20:36

国内的高福和终南山,都提到了这次人类第一次使用,mRNA技术的疫苗,技术很先进,但是还是要稍微谨慎点
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Cytochrome
理论上,MRNA疫苗本质应当算是转基因疫苗。
mindstorm 发表于 2020-12-29 20:23

你懂什么叫转基因吗?会用google么?还是用不了?
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mindstorm
国内的高福和终南山,都提到了这次人类第一次使用,mRNA技术的疫苗,技术很先进,但是还是要稍微谨慎点
minqidev 发表于 2020-12-29 20:39

嗯。在美国生活,这个避免不了。欧洲现在感觉是控制最好的。
不过,mRNA打进人体,倒真的是人类一个重大里程碑事件。
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mindstorm
你懂什么叫转基因吗?会用google么?还是用不了?
Cytochrome 发表于 2020-12-29 20:41

理论上,我应当比你懂。你翻开高中课本,打开基因工程那章,好好看看人类怎么第一次实现转基因
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bigjohn123456
那些是专业黑中国的,跟疫苗好不好,根本没有关系。目前看,中国疫苗应当没有什么问题,有传统的通病,但象版上天天科普的灭活疫苗不好的,不科普一下MRNA的坏处,就是故意的了。

mindstorm 发表于 2020-12-29 20:14

牛津灭活疫苗不是马上就要英国被批准了么?估计美国以后也可以批准。有些人喜欢灭活疫苗,多个选择也没坏处。
中国疫苗的问题是对数据遮遮掩掩,巴西应中国要求推迟公布数据好几次了,科兴这还算是最靠谱的,至少敢在国外搞三期试验发布土耳其数据尽管是cherry pick过的,也要点赞。 国内打了上百万人疫苗但不给老人打,媒体又不给报道,国药集团老板出来说些“左右手各一针有效率100%“这种不靠谱的话, 这个行事风格没法让人放心啊。


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mindstorm
牛津灭活疫苗不是马上就要英国被批准了么?估计美国以后也可以批准。有些人喜欢灭活疫苗,多个选择也没坏处。
中国疫苗的问题是对数据遮遮掩掩,巴西应中国要求推迟公布数据好几次了,科兴这还算是最靠谱的,至少敢在国外搞三期试验发布土耳其数据尽管是cherry pick过的,也要点赞。 国内打了上百万人疫苗但不给老人打,媒体又不给报道,国药集团老板出来说些“左右手各一针有效率100%“这种不靠谱的话, 这个行事风格没法让人放心啊。



bigjohn123456 发表于 2020-12-29 20:52

中国疫苗质量即使生产同一流程同一种疫苗,不如国外的好,这是肯定的。其实没可遮掩的。但现在看来,安全好象基本没问题。活性不知道。
集团老板什么的,这种人的言论别看了。国内现在农村的都上网了,高中没毕业的都当老板了,乱说很正常。都到美国了,鉴别听的智商还应当有的。
国内的疫苗没批前不打老人我认为很好,没问题,等结果出来再打吧。现在根本没有感染风险,打了反而增加风险。至于不给报道,自媒体时代 ,如果真死了人,根本压不住。
春风过驴耳
确实有点biased
CleverBeaver 发表于 2020-12-29 20:15

感同身受。
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minqidev
回复 54楼的帖子
高福接受采访是说,国内没有完成做三期的条件,因为得病的人太少了。
即使国内做了三期,也只能验证安全性。
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tigerpi314
中国疫苗100%安全 你听说过有过敏/死亡发生的吗 都开始让家长报名给孩子打了 辉瑞疫苗根本比不了
bbalyssa 发表于 2020-12-29 09:04

这意思是打了中国疫苗以后人都不过敏不死了么
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tigerpi314
这要是中国疫苗造成的,轻松评论过10页
lavahx 发表于 2020-12-29 07:49

这种纯粹是hypothetical 的话为什么要说出来讨论呢……
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mindstorm
这种纯粹是hypothetical 的话为什么要说出来讨论呢……
tigerpi314 发表于 2020-12-29 21:17

其实他说的也是事实吧。sigh.
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robertshen8
这种纯粹是hypothetical 的话为什么要说出来讨论呢……
tigerpi314 发表于 2020-12-29 21:17

上次巴西那个说中国疫苗出事的帖子,你看版上的一些人兴奋的,很快就十几页了
桑陌
嗯。在美国生活,这个避免不了。欧洲现在感觉是控制最好的。
不过,mRNA打进人体,倒真的是人类一个重大里程碑事件。
mindstorm 发表于 2020-12-29 20:42

这么自己左右互搏有意思吗?
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bjandas
应该对比一下没有打疫苗的60岁老人的死亡率和打了疫苗的死亡率,再把有基础病的和没有基础病的人分开对比。不管怎样,就算新冠以前,每天也有一堆60多岁的老人死于心脏病。
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weiyixia
中国疫苗100%安全 你听说过有过敏/死亡发生的吗 都开始让家长报名给孩子打了 辉瑞疫苗根本比不了
bbalyssa 发表于 2020-12-29 09:04

为什么老是说什么100%安全。是说能100%预防中度和重度的新冠肺炎病例。有效性为86%,
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mindstorm
这么自己左右互搏有意思吗?
桑陌 发表于 2020-12-29 23:02

你们是从来不思考还是对事实过敏?任何事情都不是100%好或者坏,自己思考一下对你们要求太高了?
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umvue
这要是中国疫苗造成的,轻松评论过10页
lavahx 发表于 2020-12-29 07:49

天朝的疫苗只能给60以下的人打,所以一定比mRNA疫苗安全
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ontrip
中国疫苗100%安全 你听说过有过敏/死亡发生的吗 都开始让家长报名给孩子打了 辉瑞疫苗根本比不了
bbalyssa 发表于 2020-12-29 09:04

这位mm开玩笑吧,你知道疫苗怎么work的吧?打个流感疫苗都可能有过敏反应,100%没有不良反应,打的是生理盐水吧……
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capehope
回复 44楼的帖子
确定你说的是转基因吗?还是蛋白质转录(Transcription)?或者是更宽泛的genetic engineering 遗传工程?转基因特指改变有机体 DNA的情况吧?A genetically modified organism contains DNA that has been altered using genetic engineering.
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robertshen8
这位mm开玩笑吧,你知道疫苗怎么work的吧?打个流感疫苗都可能有过敏反应,100%没有不良反应,打的是生理盐水吧……
ontrip 发表于 2020-12-30 00:44

新闻说的是没有严重不良反应,到你们这里就变成没有不良反应了