Bloomberg: What Happens When the 1% Go Remote

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psyentistc
楼主 (北美华人网)
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-16/what-happens-when-the-1-move-to-miami-and-austin
"Some residents of pricey cities like New York, L.A. and San Francisco might say good riddance to the uber-rich whom they blame for growing unaffordability and inequality in their cities. But their cities will pay a literal price for their departures. It doesn’t take very many one-percenters changing their address to wreak havoc on cities’ finances."
"A whopping 80% of New York City’s income tax revenue, according to one estimate, comes from the 17% of its residents who earn more than $100,000 per year. If just 5% of those folks decided to move away, it would cost the city almost one billion ($933 million) in lost tax revenue."
"In the long run, cities’ ability to attract new generations of innovative and creative talent will ensure their financial survival. But if policies don’t change, their budgets will suffer in the meantime, and their least-advantaged people and neighborhoods will bear the brunt of it as budget cuts and austerity measures eliminate key services."
"As more Americans, especially the 1%, have flexibility about where they work, city and state governments will need to develop new revenue models that account for the locations of both the people and their businesses. When an advantaged class can live thousands of miles away from where they work and own assets, it deprives cities of a vital source of revenue."
"When it comes to choosing where we live, it is often said we vote with our feet. What some members of the 1% are doing to cities is more like a kick in the teeth."
大衣被禁
10万的还不是关键。关键是纽约的1%交了超过40%的稅。这些人,真的是随时有能力搬家的。
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psyentistc
10万的还不是关键。关键是纽约的1%交了超过40%的稅。这些人,真的是随时有能力搬家的。
大衣被禁 发表于 2020-12-17 13:53

是的。里面有提到
"When the billionaire hedge funder David Tepper left New Jersey for Miami Beach in 2015, he left a crater in New Jersey’s budget that experts estimate was upwards of $100 million annually."
虽然我觉得某些州应该反省一下自己的不business friendly的policy,但是看这篇报道的语气更倾向于把州税的税收要求改的更严格,更aggressive的claim tax。虽然我估计这种policy最终这只会让更多的business搬走。。。
heighly
10万的还不是关键。关键是纽约的1%交了超过40%的稅。这些人,真的是随时有能力搬家的。
大衣被禁 发表于 2020-12-17 13:53

说这种话啥意思呢? 怎么不说这1%赚了90%的钱呢? 交40%还不是照样占便宜。
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psyentistc
说这种话啥意思呢? 怎么不说这1%赚了90%的钱呢? 交40%还不是照样占便宜。
heighly 发表于 2020-12-17 14:01

占便宜的1%搬走了,简直要欢天喜地敲锣打鼓呐 lol
heighly
占便宜的1%搬走了,简直要欢天喜地敲锣打鼓呐 lol

psyentistc 发表于 2020-12-17 14:09

那你只能怪税法太落后跟不上时代发展,让这1%随随便便就可以钻漏洞占便宜了。
transient
是的。里面有提到
"When the billionaire hedge funder David Tepper left New Jersey for Miami Beach in 2015, he left a crater in New Jersey’s budget that experts estimate was upwards of $100 million annually."
虽然我觉得某些州应该反省一下自己的不business friendly的policy,但是看这篇报道的语气更倾向于把州税的税收要求改的更严格,更aggressive的claim tax。虽然我估计这种policy最终这只会让更多的business搬走。。。
psyentistc 发表于 2020-12-17 13:57

前一阵听说Tepper又(要)搬回来了???
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psyentistc
那你只能怪税法太落后跟不上时代发展,让这1%随随便便就可以钻漏洞占便宜了。
heighly 发表于 2020-12-17 14:17

是啊,这就是那篇报道的论调。
但是今天可以自己搬走,明天也可以搬走他们的business。今年一些公司已经开始布局了。
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isabel
VAT...在哪里挣钱就在哪里交税
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psyentistc
前一阵听说Tepper又(要)搬回来了???
transient 发表于 2020-12-17 14:20

是的,Tepper搬回来了。但是今年疫情加速了remote work的变革,trend已经很明显了,businesses vote with their feet if the business environment continues to be hostile。
大衣被禁
前一阵听说Tepper又(要)搬回来了???
transient 发表于 2020-12-17 14:20

Tepper那个是因为他要跟一个新泽西resident 结婚,又不好意思跟对方说你来佛州住两年,变成resident 再结婚,所以左右都是要交税,他就搬回新泽西了。
大衣被禁
是的。里面有提到
"When the billionaire hedge funder David Tepper left New Jersey for Miami Beach in 2015, he left a crater in New Jersey’s budget that experts estimate was upwards of $100 million annually."
虽然我觉得某些州应该反省一下自己的不business friendly的policy,但是看这篇报道的语气更倾向于把州税的税收要求改的更严格,更aggressive的claim tax。虽然我估计这种policy最终这只会让更多的business搬走。。。
psyentistc 发表于 2020-12-17 13:57

是啊。我觉得加税,特别是州税总的来说,是一种杀鸡取卵的短视的方式。 加所得税,人家搬家。 加property tax, 地产就贬值。 加business tax,企业就搬家。 加wealth tax,有钱人就搬家。 加stock exercise tax, 证交所就搬家。 高税地方主要还是要增加性价比,把文化娱乐餐饮学校生活环境交通便利商业synergy搞上去了,才有tax base不逃。 我觉得现在纽约和新泽西都走错路了。稅加上去了,鸡杀光了,马上就没蛋吃了。
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psyentistc
是啊。我觉得加税,特别是州税总的来说,是一种杀鸡取卵的短视的方式。 加所得税,人家搬家。 加property tax, 地产就贬值。 加business tax,企业就搬家。 加wealth tax,有钱人就搬家。 加stock exercise tax, 证交所就搬家。 高税地方主要还是要增加性价比,把文化娱乐餐饮学校生活环境交通便利商业synergy搞上去了,才有tax base不逃。 我觉得现在纽约和新泽西都走错路了。稅加上去了,鸡杀光了,马上就没蛋吃了。
大衣被禁 发表于 2020-12-17 15:51

有点Atlas Shrugged in action的感觉。。。