https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-claims-facebook-improperly-reserved-jobs-for-h1-b-workers-11607023044?mod=hp_lead_pos3 The Trump administration has sued Facebook Inc., FB -1.62%accusing the social-media company of illegally reserving high-paying jobs for immigrant workers it was sponsoring for permanent residence, rather than searching adequately for available U.S. workers who could fill the positions. In a 17-page complaint filed Thursday, the Justice Department’s civil-rights division said Facebook inadequately advertised at least 2,600 positions between 2018 and 2019 that were filled by immigrants on H-1B high-skill visas when the company was applying to sponsor those workers for permanent residency, known as green cards. Companies sponsoring workers for employment-based green cards are required to show as part of the federal application process that they couldn’t find any qualified American workers to fill the job. POLICY FIGHTS OVER FOREIGN WORKERS Federal Judge Strikes Down Trump’s H-1B Visa Rules on Highly Skilled Foreign Workers (Dec. 1) Tech Startup Say New Pay Rules for H-1B Visas Are Unaffordable (Nov. 1) New Rules for H-1B Visas: What You Need to Know (Oct. 7) Trump Administration Announces Overhaul of H-1B Visa Program (Oct. 6) The suit said Facebook didn’t advertise the reserved positions on its website and required candidates to mail in their applications rather than accepting them online. “And even when U.S. workers do apply, Facebook will not consider them for the advertised positions,” the suit alleges. “Simply put, Facebook reserves these positions for temporary visa holders.” “Facebook has been cooperating with the DOJ in its review of this issue and while we dispute the allegations in the complaint, we cannot comment further on pending litigation,” a company spokesman said. The lawsuit reflects long-running tensions between Silicon Valley and the Trump administration over the use of foreign workers in key technology roles. The Trump administration has viewed the H-1B visa program for foreign professionals—the primary pathway international graduates of U.S. colleges remain in the U.S.—with antagonism, believing that employers are displacing American workers with foreign staffers who demand smaller salaries. Administration officials point to several high-profile incidents in which companies have laid off their in-house information technology staff, opting instead to hire contractors who employ H-1B visa workers primarily from India. From the Archives New ICE Rule on Foreign Students Spurs Confusion YOU MAY ALSO LIKE UP NEXT
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New ICE Rule on Foreign Students Spurs Confusion The Trump administration rescinded guidelines on foreign student visas after the rules prompted a lawsuit from universities. Ahead of the rollback, four students from four countries talked with WSJ in July about the potential impact of the policy on their future. Photo: Maddie Meyer/Getty Images Silicon Valley companies and trade groups have succeeded at striking down recent immigration policies in the courts such as the temporary ban on H-1B visas, restrictions on international students and an Obama administration program called Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, that protects immigrants living in the U.S. since childhood without legal permission. Tech companies like Facebook rely on H-1B visas to plug gaps in their technical workforce, which they say is essential to building the software that powers products like the Facebook news feed. Tech executives have repeatedly said there aren’t enough American students graduating with science and engineering degrees to meet their demand, a problem they say is only worsening as companies’ products grow more complex and reliant on advanced technology like artificial intelligence. The U.S. unemployment rate for people in computer professions was 3.5% in September, essentially unchanged from before the pandemic, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The national unemployment rate that month was 7.9%.
这个调查显示这些大牌公司付H1B的工资比公民低不少： https://www.epi.org/publication/h-1b-visas-and-prevailing-wage-levels/ Not surprisingly, three-fifths of all H-1B jobs were certified at the two lowest prevailing wage levels in 2019. In fiscal 2019, a total of 60% of H-1B positions certified by DOL had been assigned wage levels well below the local median wage for the occupation: 14% were at H-1B Level 1 (the 17th percentile) and 46% were at H-1B Level 2 (34th percentile). Major U.S. firms use the H-1B program to pay low wages. Among the top 30 H-1B employers are major U.S. firms including Amazon, Microsoft, Walmart, Google, Apple, and Facebook. All of them take advantage of program rules in order to legally pay many of their H-1B workers below the local median wage for the jobs they fill.
这个调查显示这些大牌公司付H1B的工资比公民低不少： https://www.epi.org/publication/h-1b-visas-and-prevailing-wage-levels/ Not surprisingly, three-fifths of all H-1B jobs were certified at the two lowest prevailing wage levels in 2019. In fiscal 2019, a total of 60% of H-1B positions certified by DOL had been assigned wage levels well below the local median wage for the occupation: 14% were at H-1B Level 1 (the 17th percentile) and 46% were at H-1B Level 2 (34th percentile). Major U.S. firms use the H-1B program to pay low wages. Among the top 30 H-1B employers are major U.S. firms including Amazon, Microsoft, Walmart, Google, Apple, and Facebook. All of them take advantage of program rules in order to legally pay many of their H-1B workers below the local median wage for the jobs they fill.
我其实也不知道EPI (Economic Policy Institute），只是Google 提供了这最近的研究结果。你一问，我就去查了一下是不是川粉结果是它是相反，是个偏左的组织，应该属于倾向Biden。 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Policy_Institute The Economic Policy Institute (EPI) is a 501(c)(3)non-profit American think tank based in Washington, D.C., that carries out economic research and analyzes the economic impact of policies and proposals. The EPI describes itself as a non-partisan think tank that "seeks to include the needs of low- and middle-income workers in economic policy discussions".[2] It is affiliated with the labor movement[3][4][5] and is usually described as presenting a left-leaning and pro-union viewpoint on public policy issues.[6][7] The EPI has a sister organization, the EPI Policy Center, which is a 501(c)(4) organization for advocacy and education. The EPI advocates for policies they say are favorable for low- to moderate-income families in the United States.[8] 这个数据和我爸的经历，我的认知，都是一样的 -- 公司用H1B很大的原因是可以合法的付H1B比同行低的工资。不管是FB还是Google, 没有不想省钱的公司。 我爸干H1B的时候也明明知道收入上吃亏了，但这钱他算付身份费了。 但对公司来说，办身份的公式律师反正是salaried, 是个fixed cost，当然会多雇佣便宜的H1B来多省钱.
The Trump administration has sued Facebook Inc., FB -1.62% accusing the social-media company of illegally reserving high-paying jobs for immigrant workers it was sponsoring for permanent residence, rather than searching adequately for available U.S. workers who could fill the positions. In a 17-page complaint filed Thursday, the Justice Department’s civil-rights division said Facebook inadequately advertised at least 2,600 positions between 2018 and 2019 that were filled by immigrants on H-1B high-skill visas when the company was applying to sponsor those workers for permanent residency, known as green cards. Companies sponsoring workers for employment-based green cards are required to show as part of the federal application process that they couldn’t find any qualified American workers to fill the job. POLICY FIGHTS OVER FOREIGN WORKERS Federal Judge Strikes Down Trump’s H-1B Visa Rules on Highly Skilled Foreign Workers (Dec. 1) Tech Startup Say New Pay Rules for H-1B Visas Are Unaffordable (Nov. 1) New Rules for H-1B Visas: What You Need to Know (Oct. 7) Trump Administration Announces Overhaul of H-1B Visa Program (Oct. 6) The suit said Facebook didn’t advertise the reserved positions on its website and required candidates to mail in their applications rather than accepting them online. “And even when U.S. workers do apply, Facebook will not consider them for the advertised positions,” the suit alleges. “Simply put, Facebook reserves these positions for temporary visa holders.” “Facebook has been cooperating with the DOJ in its review of this issue and while we dispute the allegations in the complaint, we cannot comment further on pending litigation,” a company spokesman said. The lawsuit reflects long-running tensions between Silicon Valley and the Trump administration over the use of foreign workers in key technology roles.
The Trump administration has viewed the H-1B visa program for foreign professionals—the primary pathway international graduates of U.S. colleges remain in the U.S.—with antagonism, believing that employers are displacing American workers with foreign staffers who demand smaller salaries. Administration officials point to several high-profile incidents in which companies have laid off their in-house information technology staff, opting instead to hire contractors who employ H-1B visa workers primarily from India. From the Archives New ICE Rule on Foreign Students Spurs Confusion YOU MAY ALSO LIKE
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The U.S. unemployment rate for people in computer professions was 3.5% in September, essentially unchanged from before the pandemic, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The national unemployment rate that month was 7.9%.
经济不好资源不够，民主党还准备引进非法移民和难民，不拿h1b开刀怎么好意思呢
谁在川粉智馕团教教大统领这么骂人：就你也配姓赵
一点逻辑没有！交钱上学和工作挣工资也能类比？
诺贝尔奖凭啥发给非瑞典人?lol
震惊了。
工资难道是白给的，不用劳动啊
川粉的孩子凭什么不上川普大学？？
就是，而且她们上的都是大妈最瞧不上的左B洗脑大学，太对不起基本盘选民了吧。
中国政府和Trump政府都搞nationalism，这很明显，讲理的人都反对。但同时要看像FB的这些公司真是为了diversity吗？ 其实我想大部分人都知道是因为H1B人便宜，少给他们工资多给他们任务。公司主要不是在乎diversity而是在乎钱。我爸当时H1B的时候拿的工资远远比老美同事的低还需要做更多的研究，但为了身份没办法。
因此我提倡定法律规定要H1B的收入和福利和美国人一样。 这样公司只会在（1)H1B的人真的比本地人优秀，（2）本地技术人员真不够，而不是因为便宜才雇佣。 （3）这也对H1B的人公平。
只反非法移民，不反合法。
以前排合法移民，说是低薪低技能移民；现在又塞皮打滚，你怎么能把高薪职位给外国高技术劳工？
要说公平，要求大选查id才是对公民们公平
辩证地看，这是搞烙印的好时机啊。
老印高管，就是毫无廉耻的，把高薪工作留给烙印自己人。
呵呵
我说的公平是对才华的公平。 才华的价值不应该由是不是公民而评论。 我爸做出的研究比美国同事多，但为何因为他当时是H1B就该拿低的工资？ 不管是男是女，是白是黄，在一个地方同样的才华和贡献应该有同样的价值。
当然，美国在世界上来说还是对才华公很平的。我爸妈拿到公民身份后就没吃过亏。 我和妻子也没被歧视，还因为成绩和工作努力很快都被提拔到管理级别了。
这叫什么闭关锁国？ 版面上不是经常讨论， 烙印经理+三姐HR，一个组基本都是招烙印H1B，美国人中国人什么人根本不考虑。
顶这个
说实在的川粉没见过一个有逻辑和讲道理的，一个都没有。
无语，自己没培养出会干的人啊，可不就只能找移民吗？这么看来，美帝应该是下坡路了
FB的H1B都不是便宜的工种，一般都是名校毕业，就跟华尔街的矿工不是华人就是法国俄罗斯罗马尼亚人，这些人的智商和能力应该都是精英中的翘楚，我真觉得是市场上就没有大面积美国人有办法做这些工作，不然怎么能轮到非美国人
这个调查显示这些大牌公司付H1B的工资比公民低不少：
https://www.epi.org/publication/h-1b-visas-and-prevailing-wage-levels/
Not surprisingly, three-fifths of all H-1B jobs were certified at the two lowest prevailing wage levels in 2019. In fiscal 2019, a total of 60% of H-1B positions certified by DOL had been assigned wage levels well below the local median wage for the occupation: 14% were at H-1B Level 1 (the 17th percentile) and 46% were at H-1B Level 2 (34th percentile).
Major U.S. firms use the H-1B program to pay low wages. Among the top 30 H-1B employers are major U.S. firms including Amazon, Microsoft, Walmart, Google, Apple, and Facebook. All of them take advantage of program rules in order to legally pay many of their H-1B workers below the local median wage for the jobs they fill.
在同一个公司里面，H1B一般都是初级职位，工资低一点是正常的。公司干了8，9年的资深马公怎么可能还拿H1B干活呢？
应该调查的是对于一个公司同等职位招的类似背景的人，比如fresh master 或者fresh phd，HR系统会不会根据美国人还是外国人开出不同的base salary 如果一个decent的公司这么干肯定被告。
我其实也不知道EPI (Economic Policy Institute），只是Google 提供了这最近的研究结果。你一问，我就去查了一下是不是川粉结果是它是相反，是个偏左的组织，应该属于倾向Biden。
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Policy_Institute
The Economic Policy Institute (EPI) is a 501(c)(3) non-profit American think tank based in Washington, D.C., that carries out economic research and analyzes the economic impact of policies and proposals. The EPI describes itself as a non-partisan think tank that "seeks to include the needs of low- and middle-income workers in economic policy discussions".[2] It is affiliated with the labor movement[3][4][5] and is usually described as presenting a left-leaning and pro-union viewpoint on public policy issues.[6][7] The EPI has a sister organization, the EPI Policy Center, which is a 501(c)(4) organization for advocacy and education. The EPI advocates for policies they say are favorable for low- to moderate-income families in the United States.[8]
这个数据和我爸的经历，我的认知，都是一样的 -- 公司用H1B很大的原因是可以合法的付H1B比同行低的工资。不管是FB还是Google, 没有不想省钱的公司。 我爸干H1B的时候也明明知道收入上吃亏了，但这钱他算付身份费了。 但对公司来说，办身份的公式律师反正是salaried, 是个fixed cost，当然会多雇佣便宜的H1B来多省钱.