有人科普了,华人就是高手多: 辉瑞自己的声明都承认技术是BioNTech的, trademarks也是BioNTech, 自己不过是supporting role. The BNT162 program is based on BioNTech’s proprietary mRNA technology and supported by Pfizer’s global vaccine development and manufacturing capabilities. The BNT162 vaccine candidates are undergoing clinical studies and are not currently approved for distribution anywhere in the world. BioNTech is the market authorization holder worldwide and will hold all trademarks for the potential product. Both collaborators are committed to developing these novel vaccines with pre-clinical and clinical data at the forefront of all their decision-making. https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-agreement-us-government-600
based on Financial Times In early January, Ugur Sahin, a Turkish-born immunology professor, gathered the board of the German biotech company he co-founded and said he wanted to devote the small firm’s resources to tackling a new virus that had emerged in China. Pfizer and BioNTech were already working on a flu vaccine together when the Covid-19 pandemic began at the start of the year. In mid-March, the pair agreed a deal to work together on a vaccine, with BioNTech contributing the vaccine technology, and Pfizer deploying its capacity to run large clinical trials and scale up manufacturing.
based on Financial Times In early January, Ugur Sahin, a Turkish-born immunology professor, gathered the board of the German biotech company he co-founded and said he wanted to devote the small firm’s resources to tackling a new virus that had emerged in China. Pfizer and BioNTech were already working on a flu vaccine together when the Covid-19 pandemic began at the start of the year. In mid-March, the pair agreed a deal to work together on a vaccine, with BioNTech contributing the vaccine technology, and Pfizer deploying its capacity to run large clinical trials and scale up manufacturing. bigjohn123456 发表于 2020-11-10 11:07
谢谢!! 所以是BioNTech contributing the vaccine technology, and Pfizer deploying its capacity to run large clinical trials and scale up manufacturing. 查了wiki, Ugur确实是四岁的时候土耳其移民到德国,看来各种移民都会出杰出人才 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U%C4%9Fur_%C5%9Eahin
谢谢!! 所以是BioNTech contributing the vaccine technology, and Pfizer deploying its capacity to run large clinical trials and scale up manufacturing. 查了wiki, Ugur确实是四岁的时候土耳其移民到德国,看来各种移民都会出杰出人才 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U%C4%9Fur_%C5%9Eahin miaomiao01 发表于 2020-11-10 11:10
谢谢!! 所以是BioNTech contributing the vaccine technology, and Pfizer deploying its capacity to run large clinical trials and scale up manufacturing. 查了wiki, Ugur确实是四岁的时候土耳其移民到德国,看来各种移民都会出杰出人才 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U%C4%9Fur_%C5%9Eahin miaomiao01 发表于 2020-11-10 11:10
辉瑞自己的声明都承认技术是BioNTech的, trademarks也是BioNTech, 自己不过是supporting role. The BNT162 program is based on BioNTech’s proprietary mRNA technology and supported by Pfizer’s global vaccine development and manufacturing capabilities. The BNT162 vaccine candidates are undergoing clinical studies and are not currently approved for distribution anywhere in the world. BioNTech is the market authorization holder worldwide and will hold all trademarks for the potential product. Both collaborators are committed to developing these novel vaccines with pre-clinical and clinical data at the forefront of all their decision-making. https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-agreement-us-government-600
辉瑞自己的声明都承认技术是BioNTech的, trademarks也是BioNTech, 自己不过是supporting role. The BNT162 program is based on BioNTech’s proprietary mRNA technology and supported by Pfizer’s global vaccine development and manufacturing capabilities. The BNT162 vaccine candidates are undergoing clinical studies and are not currently approved for distribution anywhere in the world. BioNTech is the market authorization holder worldwide and will hold all trademarks for the potential product. Both collaborators are committed to developing these novel vaccines with pre-clinical and clinical data at the forefront of all their decision-making. https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-agreement-us-government-600 Pompom 发表于 2020-11-10 11:31
快来看看,有人来科普了。 辉瑞自己的声明都承认技术是BioNTech的, trademarks也是BioNTech, 自己不过是supporting role. The BNT162 program is based on BioNTech’s proprietary mRNA technology and supported by Pfizer’s global vaccine development and manufacturing capabilities. The BNT162 vaccine candidates are undergoing clinical studies and are not currently approved for distribution anywhere in the world. BioNTech is the market authorization holder worldwide and will hold all trademarks for the potential product. Both collaborators are committed to developing these novel vaccines with pre-clinical and clinical data at the forefront of all their decision-making. https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-agreement-us-government-600
快来看看,有人来科普了。 辉瑞自己的声明都承认技术是BioNTech的, trademarks也是BioNTech, 自己不过是supporting role. The BNT162 program is based on BioNTech’s proprietary mRNA technology and supported by Pfizer’s global vaccine development and manufacturing capabilities. The BNT162 vaccine candidates are undergoing clinical studies and are not currently approved for distribution anywhere in the world. BioNTech is the market authorization holder worldwide and will hold all trademarks for the potential product. Both collaborators are committed to developing these novel vaccines with pre-clinical and clinical data at the forefront of all their decision-making. https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-agreement-us-government-600 miaomiao01 发表于 2020-11-10 11:33
辉瑞自己的声明都承认技术是BioNTech的, trademarks也是BioNTech, 自己不过是supporting role. The BNT162 program is based on BioNTech’s proprietary mRNA technology and supported by Pfizer’s global vaccine development and manufacturing capabilities. The BNT162 vaccine candidates are undergoing clinical studies and are not currently approved for distribution anywhere in the world. BioNTech is the market authorization holder worldwide and will hold all trademarks for the potential product. Both collaborators are committed to developing these novel vaccines with pre-clinical and clinical data at the forefront of all their decision-making. https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-agreement-us-government-600 Pompom 发表于 2020-11-10 11:31
一个药从实验室到产品,其实需要多方的合作。实验室的proof of concept是根本,像大楼的地基。但真正到产品,还需要生产流程的研发,后期的完善。很多时候,生产不出来,或者不能大规模生产,也不行。比如个性化细胞治疗的产品,和抗体药物那么贵。临床试验的设计也很重要。很多药物失败在三期,和设计也有关系。越到后面,越是烧钱。而且还要和各国的监管部门密切合作。大公司的优势就在后期了,有钱,有有process develop经验,GMP生产经验,GMP生产场地,临床设计经验,有申报新药的丰富经验。如果没有大公司的合作,这个疫苗不会这么快。当然也可以找代工生产的,比如Moderna 找了Lonza,见仁见智吧。所以这是双赢。Biontech也开始要自己生产,通过购买公司,辉瑞的前期生产经验会很有帮助的。
别听她胡扯,利润是辉瑞和biontech平分的。 欧盟的疫苗会在德国生产,主要由Biontech负责。 The US drugmaker Pfizer and the German biotech firm BioNTech stand to bring in nearly $13bn (£9.8bn) in global sales from their coronavirus vaccine next year, which will be evenly split between the two companies, according to analysts at the US investment bank Morgan Stanley.
那么如果没有德国BioNTech,辉瑞和别的公司合作能不能做出这个疫苗呢? 如果没有辉瑞,德国BioNTeck和别的大药企合作能不能做出这个疫苗呢?如果这个疫苗的主导研发者能够获个奖就好了,也不知道是德国人呢,美国人呢还是共同获奖。
最后,不管这个疫苗的最终主导研发是谁,希望全世界尽快恢复正常!
有人科普了,华人就是高手多:
辉瑞自己的声明都承认技术是BioNTech的, trademarks也是BioNTech, 自己不过是supporting role.
The BNT162 program is based on BioNTech’s proprietary mRNA technology and supported by Pfizer’s global vaccine development and manufacturing capabilities. The BNT162 vaccine candidates are undergoing clinical studies and are not currently approved for distribution anywhere in the world. BioNTech is the market authorization holder worldwide and will hold all trademarks for the potential product. Both collaborators are committed to developing these novel vaccines with pre-clinical and clinical data at the forefront of all their decision-making.
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-agreement-us-government-600
那么中国到底参加研发了吗?如果参加了那确实该提,没参加提了干嘛,再多点人来科普真相就好了。
中国没参加,只是代理商
真是这样的话,德国媒体不提不是很正常嘛
烧伤超人阿宝 辉瑞公布保护率90%的这款疫苗,其实是德国生物科技研发的。 这款mRNA疫苗,技术路线很先进,但是此前从来没有一款此类疫苗成功过,风险还是不小的。 所以,德国生物科技,面向全球寻找合作伙伴。 中国复星科技先出手,把中国区的权益签走了。 然后辉瑞来了,把中国区外的合作权益签走了。 当时网上一度传言:美德合作开发疫苗,但把中国排除在外,就是这事儿。 所以,这个疫苗中国是可以敞开用的
欧洲的市场归bio,北美的市场归辉瑞.
确实,假如biontech能找到其他大药企合作,多半也会出一种有效疫苗。但是,辉瑞如果选了另外一家做mRNA疫苗的公司合作,也会出一种有效的疫苗。
做mRNA疫苗的小公司很多,而bioNTech以前没上市过任何疫苗,说实话,对于无数小公司来说,缺的不是技术,缺的是机会,是大公司合作给的机会。 没有辉瑞,你听说过bioNtech吗? 它和无数其他mRNA小公司有区别吗?
所以连欧盟出的新闻,都会同时提辉瑞和bioNTech。
ps, mRNA技术最早是源于美国的
欧盟新闻是同时提,很多其他新闻也同时提,不过国内新闻重点都在辉瑞上:
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_1556
功劳大小当然要分,诺贝尔奖都要分,上面欧盟新闻链接是BioNTech在前,很多其他新闻都是辉瑞在前
mRNA好像是法国人拿的诺贝尔奖把,你指的是什么技术?求科普
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Monod
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Jacob
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizer
创始人有两个,一个是德裔美国人,另一个是德国人。我觉得生在美国就算美国人了吧,不然美国人就只有印第安人算了
In early January, Ugur Sahin, a Turkish-born immunology professor, gathered the board of the German biotech company he co-founded and said he wanted to devote the small firm’s resources to tackling a new virus that had emerged in China.
Pfizer and BioNTech were already working on a flu vaccine together when the Covid-19 pandemic began at the start of the year. In mid-March, the pair agreed a deal to work together on a vaccine, with BioNTech contributing the vaccine technology, and Pfizer deploying its capacity to run large clinical trials and scale up manufacturing.
biontech是好歹也是纳斯达克上市公司。 怎么就成了小公司?
在纳斯达克过去十年内上市的所有生物科技公司中biontech融资量能排到到前三, 不过因为是欧洲公司普通美国人没听说过。 但投资人可不傻,biontech上市一年股价翻了4倍多。
但是大药企凭借以前的专利,还是每年能赚大量的钱。他们用这些钱去投资和并购很多小biotech公司,这些公司的员工还有动力去搞研发,因为一旦研发成功,被收购或者IPO都会轻易一夜暴富。
所以现在在这个行业就是大药企出钱,小biotech出力,然后大家合伙抬轿子赚钱。没有大药企的钱,小biotech也没钱去搞trial,生产和市场化。没有小biotech的研发,大药企只能坐吃等死。
pf....... 开头的单词
典型的德语词汇
哈哈哈
谢谢!!
所以是BioNTech contributing the vaccine technology, and Pfizer deploying its capacity to run large clinical trials and scale up manufacturing.
查了wiki, Ugur确实是四岁的时候土耳其移民到德国,看来各种移民都会出杰出人才
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U%C4%9Fur_%C5%9Eahin
普通美国人看不起也没听过很多东西,大家怎么开心怎么来,不强求。 不光是美国,其他很多国家这种情况也很普遍,我觉得可能是自然现象,有利于心理健康快乐
BioNTech SE ( NASDAQ:BNTX) 是德国一家生物技术公司,致力于开发和生产针对特定患者的治疗严重疾病的有效免疫疗法[1]。
2008年,公司成立[1]。
2019年9月,BioNTech与比尔及梅琳达·盖茨基金会签署了协议[2]。
股票代号NASDAQ:BNTXISINUS09075V1026
成立2008年,
代表人物
Uğur Şahin (CEO) Sean Marett (CBO, CCO) Sierk Poetting (CFO, COO) Ryan Richardson (CSO) Özlem Türeci (CMO))
德国这里 土耳其人是最大的少数民族群体啊
很多德国演员 都是 土耳其血统啊
谢谢科普
翻了4倍是从3月份辉瑞开始和bio合作开始的。
这个人不仅仅 是 CEO .
还是大学教授啊, 医学, 物理 都懂啊!!!
谢谢! 学习了
为啥 这里的大妈 当时不买点 他家的 股票啊??
疫苗利润,辉瑞可以拿走九成。你说这是谁的疫苗?
这里的大妈 应该当时 拿 100 万 欧元他家的股票
现在 400 万欧元.
然后可以在旧金山 和 伦敦 买套公寓啊!!
相关不等于因果,搞不好和别的大药企合作要翻6倍
那当然,乔布斯教主还是叙利亚人呢
中国人看得起叙利亚人么?
辉瑞 财大气粗啊. 老公司啊.
这个德国公司 才 10 多年, 是个新型公司吧.
不过看来 里面人才济济啊!!
现在设计疫苗不难。难的是成功做完临床试验和后期大规模生产。
啊对 有这个印象 他们比较aggressive
反倒是Turkish Turkish要比Turkish German要温和
利润我不知道,我就等着颁奖,看看辉瑞哪个人去拿奖,我觉这次疫苗真的成功的话,主导研发人真的应该获奖,贡献太大了
美国和德国合作就是厉害啊, 双赢啊!!
建议 美国和德国合并吧??
2 个国家 合并 为 一个经济体,
大家双赢啊!!
把美国工人 全部送到 德国职业培训培训吧?
当年来德国的都是比较穷的土人啊!!
给德国工厂当工人啊.
有钱的土人当年谁来啊?
如果颁奖,那肯定发给德国的那个公司,因为创意和原型是他们搞出来的。
中文的东西, 大家不觉得乱七八糟, 乌烟瘴气吗?
特别是微信转的那些东西............ 完全不能看
设计疫苗不难。。。。 早知道不难大家都该去做,哎,不知道现在晚不晚
能不能给个 奖章啊.
这个发明创造 给世界经济 和 和平 带来了很大很大的希望啊.
再不研究出来, 经济完蛋, 社会都要动荡, 说不定战争啊
哎
同样,辉瑞如果和别的公司合作,别的公司也可能翻6倍。
世界上到底是大公司多还是小公司多?更别说辉瑞这种数一数二的巨头了
分析的有道理!谢谢
这可是业内人说的,不是我说的。
美国的市场也大啊!!
美国是个统一的大市场啊.
欧洲这里 只有德国 人口多点, 其他都是分散的市场.
美国 4 亿人口, 是西方国家里最大的市场啊!!
我觉得 欧盟和美国联合起来, 是中共的恶梦 和 最不想看到的.
难道是按公司多少来判断啊。。。
就看到时候颁奖发给谁 :-)
那他赶紧啊,现在可能还不晚
辉瑞自己的声明都承认技术是BioNTech的, trademarks也是BioNTech, 自己不过是supporting role.
The BNT162 program is based on BioNTech’s proprietary mRNA technology and supported by Pfizer’s global vaccine development and manufacturing capabilities. The BNT162 vaccine candidates are undergoing clinical studies and are not currently approved for distribution anywhere in the world. BioNTech is the market authorization holder worldwide and will hold all trademarks for the potential product. Both collaborators are committed to developing these novel vaccines with pre-clinical and clinical data at the forefront of all their decision-making.
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-agreement-us-government-600
相对而言。上市不代表什么,纳斯达克上的小biotech至少好几百家。
bioNTech确实不算小,但跟传统大药企相比,还是很小的。简单对比一下JNJ 384B市值,BNTD公布疫苗的事之前,也就15B-20B的市值。如果再往前看,还没跟辉瑞合作的时候,也就5B市值。
谢谢!! 太好了,在华人求科普就是好
快来看看,有人来科普了。
辉瑞自己的声明都承认技术是BioNTech的, trademarks也是BioNTech, 自己不过是supporting role.
The BNT162 program is based on BioNTech’s proprietary mRNA technology and supported by Pfizer’s global vaccine development and manufacturing capabilities. The BNT162 vaccine candidates are undergoing clinical studies and are not currently approved for distribution anywhere in the world. BioNTech is the market authorization holder worldwide and will hold all trademarks for the potential product. Both collaborators are committed to developing these novel vaccines with pre-clinical and clinical data at the forefront of all their decision-making.
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-agreement-us-government-600
可以看出: 辉瑞是靠谱的企业不抢功,至少白纸黑字声明说得非常清楚-跟中国企业很不一样 新闻,可靠的信息来源要找英文的,中文的靠不住。
在国内宣传都说辉瑞,德国都不太提。这还有人叫“美国疫苗”呢
说美国疫苗没问题。因为疫苗的利润九成归辉瑞。当然,这个疫苗的发明和原型都属于德国公司。但是疫苗的所有权大部分已经归辉瑞了。
估计辉瑞不同意这么说,你可以建议他们改网站
FDA估计也不同意这么说
当然了这是辉瑞和FDA,你要想这么说那无所谓
周期长,早先不知道疫情走向啊,也不知道大量投入的研发经费能不能收回来。上次sars,病毒就神奇地停止了传播,也有研发疫苗的,就大多打水漂了。这种大型公众安全问题上,我觉得政府资助启动还是有必要的,不能完全靠商业行为。
中国怎么提德国啊?
德国一个这么小的国家, 人口和面子还不到中国的几十分之一.
要是提德国, 中国人的面子呢??
中国占据了全世界最好的土地, 最多的人口,
面子呢?
美国公司 很诚实啊!!!
这才是美国精神啊!!
看看国内媒体, 乱七八糟, 乌烟瘴气的.
无所谓,你想说成谁的疫苗都行。事实是,九成利润归辉瑞。你去看欧洲国家的订单,都是跟辉瑞定购。当然,德国公司如果不同意,辉瑞不能接单。但是没有辉瑞同意,德国那个公司也不可以接单。你关心的是名誉权,那个归德国公司,这个很明确,没什么需要讨论的。我在这个帖子里说的是疫苗的所有权。这就像你写了一首歌,这首歌的署名权当然永远是你的。但是如果你已经将这首歌卖给唱片公司了,那么那首歌的真正拥有者就是那个公司了。就是这么简单的一个事。如果这个疫苗不是辉瑞的,辉瑞怎么会逼着自己的员工去参加三期临床试验?谁都不傻。
辉瑞 这个大企业不错啊!!!
如同苹果公司啊, 企业文化不错.
我不想说是谁的,也轮不到我来说。你想怎么说你随便。我只看fda说是谁的就是谁的,产品包装上印着是谁的就是谁的,现在是BioNTech,以后说不定就变了,药厂之间麦来卖去也挺常见。 至于你说的钱怎么分,首先我不知道,要重新求科普求链接,其次就算是你说的这样,那也和我想讨论的问题完全不是一个话题
btw,BioNTech自己也买厂子,从诺华买的,在德国产,辉瑞的生产提不提供欧洲,提供多少都是问题,要求科普求链接
https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/biontech-buys-novartis-plant-for-covid-19-vaccine-eyes-capacity-up-to-750m-doses
再重申一遍,你爱怎么说是你的自由。我是来求事实链接的。
顶楼主的求真精神,终于搞清楚了。有了这么明确的答案加英文链接还有人在那里神神叨叨自以为是,有毛病。
我昨天看的一个新闻发布会上还提到了这个疫苗的冷链传输要求很高,也是需要研发投入新的设备的,这部分好像也是瑞辉比较有经验,由他们主导,所以从疫苗研发出来到能够真正到处distribution瑞辉确实很关键
瑞辉公司真的不错啊!!
中国缺少这种企业啊!!
哎
典型的例子,为什么民主党搞社会主义行不通。
这个名字好像以前在买买提看到过
就是这么个道理,制药行业准入门槛太高,研发成本巨大,一般的biotech不找partner慢慢做,等做成了patent都要过期所有辛苦都白费。 所以知识产权保护非常重要,同时后期临床试验的进度要全力推进,动辄上万的trial呢
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辉瑞分9成利润是在美国市场,在中国市场,复星还分70%利润呢
辉瑞比复星强点。
这次冷链运输,另一家德国公司会派上大用场,那就是德国邮政下属的DHL
为什么提到Pfizer的多与德国公司?这是看谁最后把疫苗做成了,后期一向是更为重要更吸引眼球的角色,这么说吧,Pfizer在决定做疫苗的时候,手里面的candidate 至少多于5-6种, 他要make decision 哪个疫苗能更安全有效,从生产运输各个角度去协调,这都是决定性的作用. 如果说一定要按劳分功的话,毫无疑问,是Pfizer的功劳大,这根本就不是和德国公司一半一半的关系.
复星想趁机炒作提高一下自己也算合理,毕竟他要在中国市场上卖疫苗呀. 可也不用去贬低中国公司,因为中国也有biotech公司在为covid-19做贡献,也在discovery抗体疗法再去和欧美公司合作development,也有成功的案例.
别听她胡扯,利润是辉瑞和biontech平分的。 欧盟的疫苗会在德国生产,主要由Biontech负责。
The US drugmaker Pfizer and the German biotech firm BioNTech stand to bring in nearly $13bn (£9.8bn) in global sales from their coronavirus vaccine next year, which will be evenly split between the two companies, according to analysts at the US investment bank Morgan Stanley.
也没啥意见就是买了就好好去临床实验,买的疫苗现在才1期不知何时能上市
外行觉得好难过,哎!
像辉瑞这样规模的药企还做啥研发。 这类企业最好的商业模式就是收购,做临床,做生产,做marketing。自己研发绝对不如收购来得方便