加拿大当然花钱在科技上，特别是自由党上台后把依赖能源政策转向依赖高科技。 事实相反，加拿大基础科学更容易搞到政府funding，美国更注重来钱容易出结果的，对基础科学并不重视。不少科学家从美国移民加拿大，to name a few 1.人工智能大拿，深度学习教父Hinton 教授从英国移民美国，正因为美国太浮躁，政府财主不愿支持这种看不到结果研究，Hinton在多伦多大学获得政府资助。 2.围棋人工智能AlphaGo孵化器，Richard Sutton教授，生于俄亥俄，斯坦福毕业，加拿大政府给他钱，他在阿尔伯塔大学设立研究室，后来alphaGo里的核心人物都是从他实验室里吹来的。 3.今年诺贝尔医学生理学奖获奖者Dr. Michael Houghton是英国人，先移民美国，但是加拿大政府给他资金研究病毒，获得诺贝尔奖。
加拿大当然花钱在科技上，特别是自由党上台后把依赖能源政策转向依赖高科技。 事实相反，加拿大基础科学更容易搞到政府funding，美国更注重来钱容易出结果的，对基础科学并不重视。不少科学家从美国移民加拿大，to name a few 1.人工智能大拿，深度学习教父Hinton 教授从英国移民美国，正因为美国太浮躁，政府财主不愿支持这种看不到结果研究，Hinton在多伦多大学获得政府资助。 2.围棋人工智能AlphaGo孵化器，Richard Sutton教授，生于俄亥俄，斯坦福毕业，加拿大政府给他钱，他在阿尔伯塔大学设立研究室，后来alphaGo里的核心人物都是从他实验室里吹来的。 3.今年诺贝尔医学生理学奖获奖者Dr. Michael Houghton是英国人，先移民美国，但是加拿大政府给他资金研究病毒，获得诺贝尔奖。
靠移民来增加人口，这个策略一定是失败的，前车之鉴太多了，近处有美国，大洋对岸有正在焦头烂额的法国 因为文化和意识上的不同而造成的隔阂，不是简单地把人聚合在一起就能消除的 就象compound和mixture的区别 Compound: A substance that is made up of more than one type of atom bonded together. Mixture: A combination of two or more elements or compounds which have not reacted to bond together; each part in the mixture retains its own properties 如果加拿大真想增加人口和劳动力，那么需要的是鼓励自己的人多生孩子，这是长期行为，但是加大拿政府的智商，只能搞出胡乱拉一票人过来填数的短期行为
靠移民来增加人口，这个策略一定是失败的，前车之鉴太多了，近处有美国，大洋对岸有正在焦头烂额的法国 因为文化和意识上的不同而造成的隔阂，不是简单地把人聚合在一起就能消除的 就象compound和mixture的区别 Compound: A substance that is made up of more than one type of atom bonded together. Mixture: A combination of two or more elements or compounds which have not reacted to bond together; each part in the mixture retains its own properties 如果加拿大真想增加人口和劳动力，那么需要的是鼓励自己的人多生孩子，这是长期行为，但是加大拿政府的智商，只能搞出胡乱拉一票人过来填数的短期行为 glorymoon 发表于 2020-11-01 13:36
Canada’s economic immigration system a ‘role model’ among OECD countries Canada’s economic immigration system is the “most carefully designed” among the Organization for Economic Development and Cooperation’s 36 member countries and serves as a role model for those looking to improve how they manage migration, the Paris-based organization says. According to a new report, Canada has the “largest, longest-standing and most comprehensive and elaborate skilled labour migration system in the OECD,” whose members include Australia, France, Germany, the United Kingdom and the United States. ‘Improvement based on solid evaluation and research’ At a gathering to unveil the report in Toronto, Thomas Liebig, a senior immigration specialist with the OECD, said the independent assessment of Canada’s economic immigration system is the tenth in a series of reviews performed by the OECD. “So, Canada is not the only country we have done, but clearly Canada stands out for a number of reasons,” he said. Top of mind for Liebig was Canada’s “constant drive for improvement based on solid evaluation and research.” Liebig said this is most apparent in its approach to the Express Entry system, which manages the pool of applicants for three of Canada’s principal economic immigration programs — the Federal Skilled Worker Class, Federal Skilled Trades Class and Canadian Experience Class. The report calls Express Entry “the most elaborate selection system in the OECD,” one that allows for “a more refined selection of labour immigrants than in peer countries.” Liebig said Canada’s Express Entry system serves as a “role model” for managing economic migration that many OECD countries look to for guidance. Since its introduction in 2015, the system has undergone two major reforms to address what Liebig called “initial shortcomings” such as an over-emphasis on a job offer under Express Entry’s Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS). “This quick reaction and constant improvement is actually a quite interesting contrast to the debates we have in other OECD countries on migration,” Liebig said, claiming most countries don’t like to tinker with their immigration system. “No system is forever, and I think the Canadian example shows this very clearly.” Liebig said Express Entry is also unique because it was designed based on a “comprehensive evaluation” of the factors that are considered essential to an immigrant’s success as well as interactions of these factors, such as foreign work experience and proficiency in English or French. Canada’s economic immigration system is also “highly reactive to new developments,” the report observes, and Canadian immigration policy is “more strongly evidence-based than elsewhere.” Liebig said the strength of Canada’s immigration system has resulted in high public support for immigration among Canadians. “High acceptance is linked with the perception that migration is both well-managed and beneficial to Canada,” he said.
Provincial Nominee Programs boost labour market outcomes and retention Canada has also been successful in spreading the benefits of immigration beyond its most populated provinces, namely through its various provincial and territorial nominee programs. “They succeed not only in providing not only for a more balanced distribution of migrants across the country, but also that they complement federal selection quite well because migrants selected by provincial governments have lower skill levels on average but generally boast better initial labour market outcomes and high retention,” Liebig said. Increasing the amount of regional selection conducted through the Express Entry system is one of the OECD’s key recommendations for Canada. Each Canadian province and territory with a nominee program already has at least one stream that allows it to select or “nominate” Express Entry candidates. Express Entry candidates nominated by a province or territory receive an additional 600 CRS points and are effectively guaranteed an invitation to apply for Canadian permanent residence. The report said directing future PNP growth through Express Entry is “a way to ensure that selection of provincial nominees remains consistent with overall Canadian skill needs.” The OECD also highlighted the early successes of the Atlantic Immigration Pilot, an employer-driven program introduced in 2017 that allows employers in Canada’s four Atlantic Provinces to recruit foreign workers for jobs they haven’t been able to fill locally. Other recommendations included: Abolishing the Federal Skilled Trades Class and moving to a single set of core minimum eligibility criteria based on the current core factors of the Comprehensive Ranking System. The OECD said doing so “would simplify the system and ensure common language and education standards for all federal labour migrants.” Awarding core CRS points for Canadian work experience based on the wage of the last Canadian job instead of the duration of work experience and occupational classification. Allow Express Entry candidates who wish to work in a licensed profession to enter Canada on a short-term visa to start the licensing process. Create a provincial pilot for temporary foreign workers that targets specific regional shortages.
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华人网谁不知道你是加拿大黒，是不是有什么创伤，受过什么刺激。
没问题！ 用发展的眼光去看，川普连任后，说不定就长期执政了。按照川总和他家族的干法儿，地球会加快变暖，到时候加拿大就是温暖多雨、四季宜人。估计将来我在纽约家附近，就全部被海水淹没了，不如早些在加拿大置办好房产。可以写一篇科幻短小说，川普连任后，气候变迁，导致加拿大受益。加拿大就是最大的赢家......
我感觉加拿大也还好啊。我们在美国税务有不少啊。还要给每个娃存二十多万上大学。还不如交税至少孩子有个学上，健保有个保障。
华人网上谁还不知道你是加拿大吹？
🛋️ 沙发板凳
加拿大一方面劳动力缺乏，一方面人找不到工作。。。
哎
我也这么想，川普当选考虑移民加拿大。加拿大可能是最接近美国的了。
人口不多，没什么产业，当然也就缺乏就业。有市场才有工作。
确实是个大问题，不知道新政策会有多大成效
俺盼着美国早点安定下来，俺希望两个孩子将来来美帝讨口饭饭吃。
俺全是靠着国内的钱在加拿大硬撑着，加拿大欢迎木木难民领福利，正规移民来了只有西北风喝！！！
技术移民不都是先去了加拿大，然后再找的工作吗？为什么需要十年？
也有低技术工种啊。加拿大没有美国那么大的非移群体，农场，饭馆，旅馆、卡车司机之类都需要人。我在很远的北方小城市看开杂货店小饭馆打工的都是移民
没有难民你也一样找不到工作，就别赖别人了。
今年疫情中，已经有3，4个跳槽走了的，还都不是码工。总共呆过7个公司，都没有谁要绑你一辈子。
西北风不至于。加拿大的福利还是可以的。 另外加拿大虽然工作少，但只要愿意干labour 工之类的有的是机会。人绝对不会饿死就是了。
破釜沉舟，去個college念個有coop的，一次搞定
基本上搞裝修的一兩年就買房了，碼公還得啃老
计划明年夏天回来
这是大实话，新移民找工作还是很有难度的
为啥我从来没觉得？refer有的，美国不一样？认识两个国内马工，跟着读书的老婆过来立马找到工作。
又来了 2016年发这个誓的人还都没走呢
嗯 现在小盆友很多研究生毕业就先拿枫叶卡了 不搁这儿死耗着了
加拿大的税已经非常高了，再高，中产就破产了。低收入交不了多少，富人有N种方法递延税款，就剩上班族任人宰割了，再加税，就快破产了。 一些高收入医生都不太愿意多上班多赚钱，挣多了，全交税了。 所以，在加拿大，孩子们可以多一条出路，哪天万一在加拿大混不下去了，希望将来孩子们能来美国讨口饭吃，可是，现状也是令人堪忧啊！ 天冷的地方，人懒散。
法国人打算把边际所得税率提高到超过1M 75%
参照阿根廷巴西，都是高福利破产之后才能重来的 减不了福利提高不了税收只能赤字发债 最后政府信用破产发债也发不出去就全民返贫 透支未来总要付出代价
吾心安处是吾乡
加拿大税高个屁，在OECD国家里排在平均线以下， 加拿大联邦税和美国接近，加拿大高的是省税，省税用于便宜教育学费，省税用于全民免费医疗 等你病到快死了，而又被公司解雇时，你就会念到交的税都还之于民。
多伦多IT工作新增机会，5年超过湾区。
华尔街日报 【Silicon Valley Looks North as Tech Giants Expand in Toronto】 https://www.wsj.com/articles/silicon-valley-looks-north-as-tech-giants-expand-in-toronto-11566054001
金融报 【Toronto''s tech scene gets hotter, beating San Francisco Bay area in new jobs and New York in ''talent''】 https://business.financialpost.com/technology/torontos-tech-scene-gets-hotter-beating-san-francisco-bay-area-in-new-jobs-and-new-york-in-talent
世界著名宾大沃顿商学院 【The Next Silicon Valley? Why Toronto Is a Contender】 https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/the-next-silicon-valley-why-toronto-is-a-contender/
加拿大看病是不要钱，但是要俺的老命!
加拿大为什么不断扩大移民，因为尝到移民好处
多伦多是北美人口增长最快城市，也是开工建楼最多城市，按照crane index北美三分之一起重机在多伦多。
移民带来活力。移民需要吃住，拉动许多产业发展，这是为什么加拿大失业率一直是40年最低。
同时移民人才pool，吸引许多南边公司 美国大公司在加拿大投资设立各种研发中心，几亿几亿投资 这也是为什么多伦多新增IT和医疗制药高科技企业超过湾区
美加存在工资差，导致美国公司过境 但是更重要是trump限制移民，而加拿大有很大高科技人才pool吸引美国公司开工 如果trump继续执政，美国高科技技术会继续流失。
加拿大triage制度，疾病早看了，你身上牛皮癣之类不致命当然会往后排。 你不要83岁人均寿命，那就去享受74岁人均寿命吧。但愿不要治不好去医院行刺。
从来不知道牛皮癣是什么样的? 我看你就是一块牛皮癣，贱兮兮的又热脸贴冷屁股的贴上来了，现在已经认识牛皮癣了。
等你能活到74再这么自信吧！ 医生没有治好垂死的你，是你去行刺的吧?
垂死的牛皮癣靠成天发攻击人的帖子挣几毛钱，真是可怜虫!
如果你有加拿大或者美国学位怎么会找不到工作？没有找不到工作的，特别IT之类。 那些整天whining的都是国内直接移民，连一句英语整句都说不出来，整天在华人圈子混。然后上网发泄，
这么说吧，抱怨加拿大找不到工作，肯定个人素质极差。 抱怨加拿大看病时间太长，一般都是装病被医生识破。 加拿大提供了足够机会 怨妇基本是叻色。
今天才从这块贱嘴牛皮癣这里知道不工作的投资移民都是叻色。
所有的移民，除了难民外，都不如这块做地产经纪人的牛皮癣。
那加拿大为啥允许这些人移民？
怎么实现美国硕士毕业就拿加拿大绿卡的？ 确定是加拿大绿卡？
哪国不是这样 在美国印度31万人正在排期，而中国申请人6.5万人排期
加拿大欢迎技术移民的。问题是加拿大不投钱在发展科学上。我们就是从加拿大来的美国，当初根本不愿意来，奈何加拿大只有会计和马工才能找到工作，其它的stem根本坑太少了。我很期待加拿大能扩大对科学的投资，不要再守着森林海洋吃资源了。否则你就算广开技术移民的份额，最终也只是增加了以后在美国的持加拿大护照的人而已
是的，加拿大的科技工作岗位太少，几年前我朋友的老公工程博士，在加拿大没找到工作，在美国找到的，她说加拿大科技工作太少了，美国机会多，没办法，只能南下美国。 据说好多在加拿大找不到工作的，在美国很容易就能找到。 所以好多技术移民来了都在做地产经纪人，干类博工或者开小店。
对，年轻人根本没几个愿意留在加拿大的，工作不好找、工资低。
去年底和我们单位实习的一个中国小孩聊过，她是滑铁卢大四的，说她们班20几人，除了两人打算留加拿大，剩下所有人要么来美国读研，要么直接找的美国工作，读研那些也打算毕业留美国。
同意
加拿大当然花钱在科技上，特别是自由党上台后把依赖能源政策转向依赖高科技。
事实相反，加拿大基础科学更容易搞到政府funding，美国更注重来钱容易出结果的，对基础科学并不重视。不少科学家从美国移民加拿大，to name a few
1.人工智能大拿，深度学习教父Hinton 教授从英国移民美国，正因为美国太浮躁，政府财主不愿支持这种看不到结果研究，Hinton在多伦多大学获得政府资助。
2.围棋人工智能AlphaGo孵化器，Richard Sutton教授，生于俄亥俄，斯坦福毕业，加拿大政府给他钱，他在阿尔伯塔大学设立研究室，后来alphaGo里的核心人物都是从他实验室里吹来的。
3.今年诺贝尔医学生理学奖获奖者Dr. Michael Houghton是英国人，先移民美国，但是加拿大政府给他资金研究病毒，获得诺贝尔奖。
加拿大政府非常注重基础科学，问题是加拿大人口限制，市场限制，科学技术不容易转化成市场和盈利。
令人乐观是由于加拿大人智能成就，现在美国公司脸书，微软，苹果，亚马逊，Uber，Cisco都开设人工智能研发中心，一方面是运用这些教授的成果，一方面是利用加拿大技术移民人才pool，外加比美国低成本。
我觉得辞人挺容易的……
所以地产经纪人牛皮癣等着大家去，她好挣大钱啊！
小土豆据说已经加入绿教，求证实 https://t.me/endofxi/15795 https://www.zhihu.com/question/37535012
加拿大要做移民监，这个是很多人受不了的。如果没有这个要求，想拿加拿大身份的人多了去了
我觉得她的话意是：1. 不容易找到专业工作；2. 某些不反对地区的难民还可以吃福利，合法移民不能吃福利
应该不是说难民抢了专业工作的意思
要是没有绿卡，去加拿大拿个枫叶卡还是可以的
土地承受力不够．
德国面积小的惊人， 纬度比加拿大多沦多更高， 但是德国人口８３００万，到处都是人．
刚隔壁贴看到你 就冲你这种听到costco垃圾零食，都兴奋表示马上就开车去买， 每天吃着大包装猪食的猪丽叶，还有资格嫌弃大冰箱？
ssds
加拿大的治安比较好吧！！
好象很少听说有恶性案件．
如果加拿大真想增加人口和劳动力，那么需要的是鼓励自己的人多生孩子，这是长期行为，但是加大拿政府的智商，只能搞出胡乱拉一票人过来填数的短期行为
你错了，加拿大移民政策很成功，世界经合组织OECD点名表扬加拿大移民系统。 加拿大GDP增长率这几年在G7第一第二，失业率40年最低，大量高科技新增工作。
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加拿大移民体系被点名“表扬” 世界经济合作与发展组织最新一期的报告称—— 加拿大的经济移民制度，非常有利于加拿大国家和区域经济的发展，是世界上最成功的经济移民制度！ 并推荐其他国家有必要参考加拿大的经济移民制度，使其成为移民“基础准则”。
对于加拿大的移民系统，世界经济合作与发展组织审查了加拿大如何吸引和招募海外有技术的劳工。 从联邦移民移民快速通道EE（Express Entry）到如何有效率地邀请符合要求的人们成为永久居民，再到如何全球招募急缺人才和临时工人。
据报道，加拿大的经济移民系统非常专业且实用！在引入大量经济移民的同时，造就了更多的岗位，提升了国内的GDP。
新移民是经济发展重要的一环 一直以来，新移民对加拿大的经济发展具有积极的促进作用。 在短期内，永久居民、外国工人和国际学生将有助于刺激加拿大的经济活动，减轻加拿大的经济压力；从中长期来看，移民将是加拿大保持繁荣昌盛的关键，他们作为工作者、消费者和纳税人将持续刺激加拿大的经济活动。
Canada’s economic immigration system is the “most carefully designed” among the Organization for Economic Development and Cooperation’s 36 member countries and serves as a role model for those looking to improve how they manage migration, the Paris-based organization says. According to a new report, Canada has the “largest, longest-standing and most comprehensive and elaborate skilled labour migration system in the OECD,” whose members include Australia, France, Germany, the United Kingdom and the United States.
‘Improvement based on solid evaluation and research’ At a gathering to unveil the report in Toronto, Thomas Liebig, a senior immigration specialist with the OECD, said the independent assessment of Canada’s economic immigration system is the tenth in a series of reviews performed by the OECD.
“So, Canada is not the only country we have done, but clearly Canada stands out for a number of reasons,” he said. Top of mind for Liebig was Canada’s “constant drive for improvement based on solid evaluation and research.” Liebig said this is most apparent in its approach to the Express Entry system, which manages the pool of applicants for three of Canada’s principal economic immigration programs — the Federal Skilled Worker Class, Federal Skilled Trades Class and Canadian Experience Class. The report calls Express Entry “the most elaborate selection system in the OECD,” one that allows for “a more refined selection of labour immigrants than in peer countries.” Liebig said Canada’s Express Entry system serves as a “role model” for managing economic migration that many OECD countries look to for guidance.
Since its introduction in 2015, the system has undergone two major reforms to address what Liebig called “initial shortcomings” such as an over-emphasis on a job offer under Express Entry’s Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS). “This quick reaction and constant improvement is actually a quite interesting contrast to the debates we have in other OECD countries on migration,” Liebig said, claiming most countries don’t like to tinker with their immigration system. “No system is forever, and I think the Canadian example shows this very clearly.”
Liebig said Express Entry is also unique because it was designed based on a “comprehensive evaluation” of the factors that are considered essential to an immigrant’s success as well as interactions of these factors, such as foreign work experience and proficiency in English or French.
Canada’s economic immigration system is also “highly reactive to new developments,” the report observes, and Canadian immigration policy is “more strongly evidence-based than elsewhere.” Liebig said the strength of Canada’s immigration system has resulted in high public support for immigration among Canadians. “High acceptance is linked with the perception that migration is both well-managed and beneficial to Canada,” he said.
Provincial Nominee Programs boost labour market outcomes and retention Canada has also been successful in spreading the benefits of immigration beyond its most populated provinces, namely through its various provincial and territorial nominee programs. “They succeed not only in providing not only for a more balanced distribution of migrants across the country, but also that they complement federal selection quite well because migrants selected by provincial governments have lower skill levels on average but generally boast better initial labour market outcomes and high retention,” Liebig said.
Increasing the amount of regional selection conducted through the Express Entry system is one of the OECD’s key recommendations for Canada. Each Canadian province and territory with a nominee program already has at least one stream that allows it to select or “nominate” Express Entry candidates. Express Entry candidates nominated by a province or territory receive an additional 600 CRS points and are effectively guaranteed an invitation to apply for Canadian permanent residence. The report said directing future PNP growth through Express Entry is “a way to ensure that selection of provincial nominees remains consistent with overall Canadian skill needs.” The OECD also highlighted the early successes of the Atlantic Immigration Pilot, an employer-driven program introduced in 2017 that allows employers in Canada’s four Atlantic Provinces to recruit foreign workers for jobs they haven’t been able to fill locally.
Other recommendations included: Abolishing the Federal Skilled Trades Class and moving to a single set of core minimum eligibility criteria based on the current core factors of the Comprehensive Ranking System. The OECD said doing so “would simplify the system and ensure common language and education standards for all federal labour migrants.” Awarding core CRS points for Canadian work experience based on the wage of the last Canadian job instead of the duration of work experience and occupational classification. Allow Express Entry candidates who wish to work in a licensed profession to enter Canada on a short-term visa to start the licensing process. Create a provincial pilot for temporary foreign workers that targets specific regional shortages.
因为过去经验发现，大龄的，在其他国家获得学位移民并不能很好适应加拿大社会，忠于加拿大， 所以打分系统调整了，对小留敞开大门，对大龄有学位的有种种限制。
刚遇到跟我一样从美国搬到温哥华的华人。他们比我年轻，本来在加州工作，因为身份及加州的高房价两年前搬到温哥华，也非常喜欢。他们是两年前transfer到公司在温哥华的office, 有工作，所以办移民非常快，几个月就下来了
主要是国内一些移民，没有上过学，英语差，又不思进取，混不下去，有的回流，有的整天上网whining， 加拿大刚开始移民，放进了很多这样国内’白领‘，所以声音大不足奇怪。
真正读了加拿大美国学位的，有谁找不到工作？有谁混惨了？
不去是小狗
加拿大很多蓝领工作比白领高 地铁卖票靠加班能收入到10万以上
最近yorkbbs讨论装修工大热，因为到处买房盖房， 我引用一下 “装修的工资没有那么低，认识个来了20年多点的，基本都在10万现金一年左右，一分钱税不交，还不包括把房子翻新卖出去赚的钱，而且因为以前房价低，所以房子都有3套。 另外还有两个来了10年左右的，其中一个英文还可以，平均一年有12万现金，不交税，英文不行那个也有8万左右，两个都有自己百万房子。“
还有大卡车司机，美加之间运输的，奇缺，自己有车头，一年十几万没问题。
美国政府应该为年轻的公民想一想，自己国民过的咋样，小年轻一个个出来十几万贷款，隔壁邻居没贷款过来工作也很容易。
至于说房地产agent，我换掉第一condo时，我的代理那个星期成交了两个交易，一个交易就是2万收入，多伦多房地产热，买卖活跃，一年10个房子成交年收入就是20万。 薛宝钗张莉在温哥华给富人买房卖房，亿元富婆了吧。
比如一天7小时工作，一年6星期假期 比如遍地中餐馆，大量6万尺中国超市，产品丰富价格便宜 比如全民医疗 比如治安安全 比如婚恋性爱机会
这是个综合考量。不是钱多就好，收入是一方面，消费是另一方面。
所以重点是“不交税”和“买房早”
买房早要学的话得坐个时光机回去10年前吧 不交税这种事情还是别学了，还有这种事情拿出来炫耀的是不是想被税务局盯上
蓝领工作白领工作如果一直都是给别人打工的话，说白了就是看剩余价值，白领的剩余价值时间长一些，蓝领的很多工作容易受伤，50往上体力精力不行的话就难了，加上这些年自动化推进速度，很大部分蓝领的和一部分白领的工作慢慢的会被自动化替代掉，比如长途跨国的司机，比如公司前台。目前为止不被替代的看来就只有和人深入互动的，需要创造性的工作
什么公司期望员工做一辈子啊，政府么？传统行业有工会，的确难进，但是你真的想去个日薄西山的行业么？新兴行业谁管这些，有能力的就上