https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/15/biden-tax-plan-gives-620-tax-cut-to-middle-class-new-study-says.html?recirc=taboolainternal Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden’s tax plan would give an average tax cut of $620 to middle-income earners, according to a new analysis, while top earners would face a steep increase. The analysis, released by the Tax Policy Center on Thursday, comes amid dueling claims during the campaign over whether Biden would hike taxes on the middle class. The analysis found that the bottom 80% of taxpayers would see tax cuts on average, mainly due to a package of tax s and deductions aimed at the middle class. According to the analysis, for those in the bottom quintile, which include people making less than $25,000, tax cuts would average $750 in 2022. Those in the next quintile, making between $25,000 and $50,000, would see a tax cut of $790. Those in the middle, earning between $50,000 and $89,000, would see a tax cut of $620, while those making between $89,000 and $160,000 would see a cut of $420. 原来算上各种deductions, credits, offsets, loopholes and lower tax rates on other sources of income，Biden原来是给中产阶级减税的啊，感谢楼主的广告啊！
抛开tax credit，deductions，floor etc单看tax rate都是耍流氓 不过回答你的问题，新闻里有提供分析： The former vice president’s plan also wouldn’t raise as much revenue as originally expected, in part because of the slowing economy. Independent experts initially said the plan would raise more than $3 trillion, yet the Tax Policy Center now says it would increase tax revenue by $2.4 trillion. It said it lowered the revenue projection due to the weaker economy, expected delays in passing the tax changes due to the coronavirus pandemic and the added middle-class tax provisions and credits.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/15/biden-tax-plan-gives-620-tax-cut-to-middle-class-new-study-says.html?recirc=taboolainternal Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden’s tax plan would give an average tax cut of $620 to middle-income earners, according to a new analysis, while top earners would face a steep increase. The analysis, released by the Tax Policy Center on Thursday, comes amid dueling claims during the campaign over whether Biden would hike taxes on the middle class. The analysis found that the bottom 80% of taxpayers would see tax cuts on average, mainly due to a package of tax s and deductions aimed at the middle class. According to the analysis, for those in the bottom quintile, which include people making less than $25,000, tax cuts would average $750 in 2022. Those in the next quintile, making between $25,000 and $50,000, would see a tax cut of $790. Those in the middle, earning between $50,000 and $89,000, would see a tax cut of $620, while those making between $89,000 and $160,000 would see a cut of $420. 原来算上各种deductions, credits, offsets, loopholes and lower tax rates on other sources of income，Biden原来是给中产阶级减税的啊，感谢楼主的广告啊！ 穿Prada的小恶魔 发表于 2020-10-19 17:06
这个“study”做得好vague啊，啥assumption都不用做就的出来了这么具体的“tax cut” 数据。连这些收入range是single earner, household，head of household都不用speficify么？
什么乱七八糟的， 标题和内容严重不符。 “People making between $400,000 and $700,000 are going to have a tax increase of only about 1% or less,” said Seth Hanlon, senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a left-leaning think-tank. “The tax plan is really aimed at the very top — the top 1% or 0.1%.” 看来版上真是卧虎藏龙， 全部超过华人贫困线。
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/15/biden-tax-plan-gives-620-tax-cut-to-middle-class-new-study-says.html?recirc=taboolainternal Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden’s tax plan would give an average tax cut of $620 to middle-income earners, according to a new analysis, while top earners would face a steep increase. The analysis, released by the Tax Policy Center on Thursday, comes amid dueling claims during the campaign over whether Biden would hike taxes on the middle class. The analysis found that the bottom 80% of taxpayers would see tax cuts on average, mainly due to a package of tax s and deductions aimed at the middle class. According to the analysis, for those in the bottom quintile, which include people making less than $25,000, tax cuts would average $750 in 2022. Those in the next quintile, making between $25,000 and $50,000, would see a tax cut of $790. Those in the middle, earning between $50,000 and $89,000, would see a tax cut of $620, while those making between $89,000 and $160,000 would see a cut of $420. 原来算上各种deductions, credits, offsets, loopholes and lower tax rates on other sources of income，Biden原来是给中产阶级减税的啊，感谢楼主的广告啊！ 穿Prada的小恶魔 发表于 2020-10-19 17:06
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不说别的，发达国家基本都是全民医保。 说明全民医保至少不是洪水猛兽。 美国之所以没实现全民医保，其实根本原因是: 白人认为非洲裔和拉美裔都是穷人，担心全民医保之后自己吃亏了。 要是美国是单一的种族国家，早就实现全民医保了。
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想得很美。NYC的表示拜登当选了我们就permanently搬到郊区/NJ/CT去省税。税是死的人是活的，再说现在的city都成啥样了。
收到的钱干了该干的事也可以
只怕大多数都养了非移或者他们的票仓。
然后看大病等半年，看小病等一年变成大病，想要2nd opinion自费，排手术排n年排死为止。
没看懂逻辑。
Biden即使涨税，也是联邦税，和你住哪里没有关系。
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/15/biden-tax-plan-gives-620-tax-cut-to-middle-class-new-study-says.html?recirc=taboolainternal
Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden’s tax plan would give an average tax cut of $620 to middle-income earners, according to a new analysis, while top earners would face a steep increase.
The analysis, released by the Tax Policy Center on Thursday, comes amid dueling claims during the campaign over whether Biden would hike taxes on the middle class. The analysis found that the bottom 80% of taxpayers would see tax cuts on average, mainly due to a package of tax s and deductions aimed at the middle class.
According to the analysis, for those in the bottom quintile, which include people making less than $25,000, tax cuts would average $750 in 2022. Those in the next quintile, making between $25,000 and $50,000, would see a tax cut of $790. Those in the middle, earning between $50,000 and $89,000, would see a tax cut of $620, while those making between $89,000 and $160,000 would see a cut of $420.
原来算上各种deductions, credits, offsets, loopholes and lower tax rates on other sources of income，Biden原来是给中产阶级减税的啊，感谢楼主的广告啊！
是呀，只可能是联邦税。Biden肯定是要搞全民医保的，我也是很支持的，但是如果他不动那些利益集团的利益，只能是收税啊！而且他说40万以上的，哪有那么多40万收入以上的人，20万的也会被收的，不行等着瞧。
Biden会动保险公司，医院，药厂的利益吗？我觉得很难，Biden作为一个老政客，估计就是老老实实混完自己任期拉倒了。
抛开tax credit，deductions，floor etc单看tax rate都是耍流氓
不过回答你的问题，新闻里有提供分析：
The former vice president’s plan also wouldn’t raise as much revenue as originally expected, in part because of the slowing economy. Independent experts initially said the plan would raise more than $3 trillion, yet the Tax Policy Center now says it would increase tax revenue by $2.4 trillion. It said it lowered the revenue projection due to the weaker economy, expected delays in passing the tax changes due to the coronavirus pandemic and the added middle-class tax provisions and credits.
我建议你研究一下nyc residency audit. 纽约不是你搬走了就不收你的税了的。
NYC还有4%的city tax可以通过搬家来稍微offset下。拜登的税收政策可能是压倒nyc和CA的最后一根稻草，tax revenue base被赶跑了。增加公司税和employer的payroll tax (对于40万以上的）更是会让雇主也少在这些地方hire人了吧。
上次有人夸Vermont来着。谁来说说，Vermont税如何？哪里有好学区，适合居住，最好还能滑雪。。。
不是指在12/31之前搬走省2020年的税。是很多人打算permanently move out of the city以后省税。
如果是你，不也一样的做法吗。
还会用税款发展壮大blm和antifa成为他们的党卫军。以后民主党台面上通过得了的就台面上做，做不了的就党卫军先上，抗议，再加打砸抢烧，直到你服软为止。反正你也没有枪，生育率又低。 你有可能投票摆脱独裁者，但你无法投票摆脱socialism。
年收入40W-70W之间只涨了1%。70W以上可能涨多点。
这个“study”做得好vague啊，啥assumption都不用做就的出来了这么具体的“tax cut” 数据。连这些收入range是single earner, household，head of household都不用speficify么？
还有美国大学的学费也是应该改革，学生贷款的利率是不是不要那么高。
全民医保就轮不到你看医生了
北欧是单一民族非移民国家，平均人口素质比美国高，人均自然资源极高，人口结构稳定的多，没有庞大的非法移民群体，黑人群体也小得多。北欧那政策放在美国，就跟人民公社在中国是一模一样的。你以为多交税就会好办事吗？高税率的结果无非就是越来越庞大的混吃等死的队伍。你把视野从北欧往南以几百公里就看得到到了。
怎么可能？40万以上收入如果收social security tax 光这一项就 > 6%了。。
不知所云，Trump之前，NY和加州好好的。
Trump通过SALT还给纽约，加州很多中产涨税了。如果Biden能把SALT恢复，那是极大利好。
Biden会动保险公司，医院，药厂的利益吗？ ——-- 没这个幻想， 第一次辩论时川普说了降药价， 拜登什么都没说。 动药厂、保险公司的利益还得靠川普这样的二杆子
不至于，美国的医疗系统的容量还是很大的，这次疫情，美国居然没被冲垮了，也是让我有点吃惊。
我觉得医生的资质不要卡那么死，医生也能多点，医院收费再少点，看病的人多可以平衡他们的收入。
拿走不谢。
具体模型full report地址：https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/updated-analysis-former-vice-president-bidens-tax-proposals/full Assumptions在Appendix B
“People making between $400,000 and $700,000 are going to have a tax increase of only about 1% or less,” said Seth Hanlon, senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a left-leaning think-tank. “The tax plan is really aimed at the very top — the top 1% or 0.1%.”
看来版上真是卧虎藏龙， 全部超过华人贫困线。
文中加州是这么算的: 39% +13.3% + 12.4%
问题是13.3的加州州税要个人收入1米或者家庭收入2米才到的，12.4是个人和雇主一人一半
我也讨厌加税，但你不能这么乱说
re这个，学生贷款的利率太高了，10年就double了，一辈子都在还债，非常不容易。
真正的改革应该是Sanders这种政治理念的。而不是trump那种的。
当然有关系。
州一直想涨税，苦于没机会。趁联邦涨税的时候搭便车呀，多加个1%，2%啥的，这种千载难逢的机会州咋会错过呢？
上次川普减税的时候很多州实际上多收了好多税，你看有一个州出来讲的吗？个个装傻。
后来连CPA都看不下去了，出来拆台，逼着州政府出来讲话。像SC就被迫承认多收了钱。
我家是self employed. 所以我家就是12.4。 我个人认为employer’s portion of employment tax 最终还是反应在工资上的。
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就是100%的税率，也cover不了这个Medicare的窟窿啊。
39% 和12.4%两个里面只可能摊上一个。
你要是39%了就不可能全部12.4%，反之亦然。。。
Self employed 省睡的地方就更多了，各种开支，sep/self employed 401k, cash balance account, 你self employed的收入能到40万以上这些这些统统可以搞起来
还有这个extra payroll tax是不是就用在payroll上啊？如果的话你生意一定不小，给自己开40万以上的W2,多交点也是应该的
我家的确两个都会摊上。 我不理解你为什么说不可能。
没算错，40万以上要加12.4%，雇主雇员平分，再加上现在本来就要交的，雇员一共交12.4%没毛病。
这还没算是medicare的税呢……
我家拿的是k1.不存在你说的杂七杂八的。 我家不建议多交。不乐意交完全可以不干了不赚了。 我只是不同意你说的，12.4不可能是个人交的。
self employed不能瞎搞的，你搞错了，就是IRS audit的对象。IRS专门把self emloyed作为audit的重点对象，尤其是小企业。
对，逻辑就是你看这些人打砸抢对社会影响更大，加点税给点福利比打砸抢损失少，这样加税就可以说得通了。没准最后打砸抢烧成了人权一部分呢。
对于自己家周围的老鼠要怎么处理？一开始他们没进来，但是在挖洞，为了让他们别进家，就给他们在外面放吃的，结果他们吃饱了就生，鼠群越来越大，只好放更多吃的给他们，结果周围的鼠群听说这有一个大善人，全来了，善人再也供不起了，鼠群开始挖洞进家了，这时候灭鼠已经灭不过来了，老鼠连人都要吃了，后悔没有早点灭。
你要有利润啊，不能开个皮包公司，前几年可以没利润，一直没利润，IRS 就会audit你的。话说，自己搞个公司，一切重头开始搞，还有盈利，也很辛苦。光看到人前风光，没有看到背后的辛苦。
人家初选就是主打跟bernie sanders 的medicare for all 不同，然后选民选择了他。 你还要硬说人家是medicare for all？
其实不止，39%+12.4%+2.9%+13.3%+0.9% =68.5%， 谁还愿意干活啊？欧洲加拿大税高好歹福利好，这些所谓高收入在高消费区生活也没好到哪里，交极高的税之后孩子上大学，医疗等等还得自己掏腰包
给了福利就不干活了，整天闲着没事，更可能打砸抢，nothing to lose, 有工作的好歹有个顾忌
由于SALT的限制，70w以上收入加税，这个都不懂的基本没有税务知识。
w2高就是富人？贝索斯一年年薪拿八万，小札一年1美元年薪。民主党共和党都不敢动真正的富人的蛋糕
如果拿W2,真没有什么地方省税。
你如果住纽约就知道了，联邦涨一点，州市涨一点，地产每年涨10%，听说纽约市消费税要涨到10%，我每月工资到手连吃饭都不够
12.4%那个FICA超过27万就不交了。39%的那个税要50万以上的收入才交。
你家两个都碰到的条件是收入即低于27万又高于50万。。。
你说可能吗？
你太天真了，他们是做一段时间的看护，看护的工作是发w2 的不能逃，收入少于多少就可以拿各种福利。快到那个值她们就去做保姆餐馆之类的现金工，所以每年总收入和报的收入差很多，只是纸面上的穷人。做看护拿w2是为了积social security. 都精着哪。
您是不是不知道Biden tax plan是什么？
同意你说的......可是一边是制定政策的人，一边是拿大多数选票的中低收入人群，扣除这两帮人后，还能割谁的韭菜呢？哎，非有权有钱又勤劳努力的人太难了。
要动的沃伦，桑德斯已经被民主党提前弄下课了。
政府确实弄了一个发10000刀吸引人办过去的计划，哈哈。 https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/31/vermont-will-pay-you-10000-to-move-there-and-work-from-home.html 只去那边旅游过几次，秋天真是美得一塌糊涂。去Burlington downtown转转很有意思，再去参观一下Ben&Jerry Factory。滑雪一般去Killington吧。
扯淡，那些个Medicare for all的日本，台湾，欧洲某些比米国强太多了
美国现在人口结构和人口素质都跟你列的几个国家不一样 medicare for all 纯属奢望
那个地方太冷了。而且日照时间那么少。
怎么没有，不过收这么多税，Biden连自己提议的“绿色新政”都不够，就别说其他的各种福利了。所以只要民主党上台，别怕钱花不出去，收多少税都不够
加多少税都会不够花，花也花在巩固自己的票仓，不创收，分配别人的收入是最轻松简单的。
五毛水平太差，高收入地区更容易超过最高的bracket
这里没什么人觉得10万以下算中产吧
你穷不代表大家都穷。国内土豪还要过来呢，一买房几十米，人家可不穷...
民主党对几乎所有问题的解决方法就是收税给钱，什么保护费多交点就不会有打砸抢，有人信这个真不知道脑子怎么想的。这么容易，纽约三番的游民给钱就行了，他们干嘛还在地上躺着，人家一拿钱转身就去买毒品，多少人拿了food stamp第一周就能把钱用完。真的要发钱发福利能解决穷人打砸抢的问题，纽约三番的游民就不会越来越多。民主党连请游民住四五星级酒店都做出来了，屁用没有。民主党特别喜欢收税花钱，还有个原因因为花钱自己可以中饱私囊。
同意你说的，所以在现有的投票制度下两党都不敢动金主的蛋糕。改革的方法就是不交税的没投票权。
沃伦和桑德斯上台以后也不会敢动的。毕竟竞选要钱一边是金主一边是票仓
美国医疗医保这种烂摊子想像日本那样简直天方夜谭。窟窿多大，医疗跟保险的利益集团和腐败，哪个党上台都不行。烂透了。
拜登47年都没动那些人的利益，现在就会动了吗？相信拜登简直是相信母猪会上树。拜登47年就干了一件事创造了一个就业，就是给hunter 的。