为什么川普那么不尊重法律,他的支持者还是认为选他就是选law and order 呢?

Twenty20002020
楼主 (北美华人网)
经常看到人说选川普的一个原因是law and order. 可是他应该是历史上最不尊重法律的总统吧?我能想到的例子有 (欢迎大家补充)
1。利用总统的权力让别的国家调查他的竞争对手 2。在没有任何证据的情况下要求司法部调查他的前任和现在的竞争对手 (Obama 和Biden ) 3。让司法部撤销对Michael Flynn 的指控,尽管Flynn 自己已经认罪 4。pardon roger stone 5。不commit to peaceful transfer of power 6。要fbi 的头pledge loyalty 7。 给艳星封口费 8。十几年不付税,付税的那两年也只付了750 9。不follow 各州的COVID-19 safety orders 10。在自己的rally 煽动暴力

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djmiss
这里傻白甜虽然不多,但是傻白却不少
ROC1911
因为川粉们都期待被proud boys 绑架到红脖子老巢呢
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jean_sunny
一天到晚发这种文革式的讨伐的帖子,要么把人各种侮辱加讽刺,要么诅咒加羞辱。还有各种贴标签。 可能我高估了这上面人的素质
tracy66
一天到晚发这种文革式的讨伐的帖子,要么把人各种侮辱加讽刺,要么诅咒加羞辱。还有各种贴标签。 可能我高估了这上面人的素质
jean_sunny 发表于 2020-10-14 02:38

大概本来就不是在美国呆过的人,所以不知道美国社会最大的特点就是不 judge 别人,更不要说这么给别人贴标签侮辱人了。
选川普还是选拜登,都是个人的选择,不需要和别人(或者看起来的大部分人)一样。看两个党派哪个更符合你自己的利益,你自己的价值观,更有可能帮助你实现你的美国梦。就这么简单。
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sherry888
Biden ,Clinton等还触犯法律呢,不选Trump就让有老年痴呆的Biden上,这么简单决定都想不通。
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cable
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这些例子都是没有上下文的,跟新闻说黑人妇女在自家床上被警察打死一样,完全不说她男友先开枪打伤警察大腿。
ROC1911
大概本来就不是在美国呆过的人,所以不知道美国社会最大的特点就是不 judge 别人,更不要说这么给别人贴标签侮辱人了。
选川普还是选拜登,都是个人的选择,不需要和别人(或者看起来的大部分人)一样。看两个党派哪个更符合你自己的利益,你自己的价值观,更有可能帮助你实现你的美国梦。就这么简单。
tracy66 发表于 2020-10-14 02:44

美国社会最大的特点就是不 judge 别人
没错, 大统领从来不judge 别人。。。
Twenty20002020
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我发的是事实。你要是反驳我请拿证据。不要一大堆废话
Twenty20002020
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那川普肯定没在美国呆过了。他给多少人贴过侮辱人的标签了?数的过来吗?还不judge 别人?最judge 别人的人是川普!

Twenty20002020
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请举事实。不要空洞的说谁谁谁犯了法律。
Twenty20002020
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这里面那一条不是真的?现在google 那么容易,随便一下不就知道了?还是想选择性失明?
daysun
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如果违法了,应该让法官来判。又没人起诉,然后你们说违法了。通俄门,我都搬了凳子出来等结果,折腾半天,又屁事没有。
就像很多人说trump的税有问题一样,unless你能证明整个irs都被trump买通了,那irs没说有问题,那就是没问题。

Twenty20002020
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起诉他的案子不计其数了,你看不见?
IRS 一直在查他。连他自己都承认!
通俄门他没有被impeached, 是因为那些共和党人没有勇气 (除了mitt Romney)。你应该先去读了mueller report再评论。 Myth: Mueller found “no collusion.” Response: Mueller spent almost 200 pages describing “numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign.” He found that “a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.” He also found that “a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations” against the Clinton campaign and then released stolen documents. While Mueller was unable to establish a conspiracy between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians involved in this activity, he made it clear that “[a] statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.” In fact, Mueller also wrote that the “investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.” To find conspiracy, a prosecutor must establish beyond a reasonable doubt the elements of the crime: an agreement between at least two people, to commit a criminal offense and an overt act in furtherance of that agreement. One of the underlying criminal offenses that Mueller reviewed for conspiracy was campaign-finance violations. Mueller found that Trump campaign members Donald Trump Jr., Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner met with Russian nationals in Trump Tower in New York June 2016 for the purpose of receiving disparaging information about Clinton as part of “Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump,” according to an email message arranging the meeting. This meeting did not amount to a criminal offense, in part, because Mueller was unable to establish “willfulness,” that is, that the participants knew that their conduct was illegal. Mueller was also unable to conclude that the information was a “thing of value” that exceeded $25,000, the requirement for campaign finance to be a felony, as opposed to a civil violation of law. But the fact that the conduct did not technically amount to conspiracy does not mean that it was acceptable. Trump campaign members welcomed foreign influence into our election and then compromised themselves with the Russian government by covering it up. Mueller found other contacts with Russia, such as the sharing of polling data about Midwestern states where Trump later won upset victories, conversations with the Russian ambassador to influence Russia’s response to sanctions imposed by the U.S. government in response to election interference, and communications with Wikileaks after it had received emails stolen by Russia. While none of these acts amounted to the crime of conspiracy, all could be described as “collusion.”


qqyxgz
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起诉他的案子不计其数了,你看不见?
IRS 一直在查他。连他自己都承认!
通俄门他没有被impeached, 是因为那些共和党人没有勇气 (除了mitt Romney)。你应该先去读了mueller report再评论。 Myth: Mueller found “no collusion.” Response: Mueller spent almost 200 pages describing “numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign.” He found that “a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.” He also found that “a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations” against the Clinton campaign and then released stolen documents. While Mueller was unable to establish a conspiracy between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians involved in this activity, he made it clear that “[a] statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.” In fact, Mueller also wrote that the “investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.” To find conspiracy, a prosecutor must establish beyond a reasonable doubt the elements of the crime: an agreement between at least two people, to commit a criminal offense and an overt act in furtherance of that agreement. One of the underlying criminal offenses that Mueller reviewed for conspiracy was campaign-finance violations. Mueller found that Trump campaign members Donald Trump Jr., Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner met with Russian nationals in Trump Tower in New York June 2016 for the purpose of receiving disparaging information about Clinton as part of “Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump,” according to an email message arranging the meeting. This meeting did not amount to a criminal offense, in part, because Mueller was unable to establish “willfulness,” that is, that the participants knew that their conduct was illegal. Mueller was also unable to conclude that the information was a “thing of value” that exceeded $25,000, the requirement for campaign finance to be a felony, as opposed to a civil violation of law. But the fact that the conduct did not technically amount to conspiracy does not mean that it was acceptable. Trump campaign members welcomed foreign influence into our election and then compromised themselves with the Russian government by covering it up. Mueller found other contacts with Russia, such as the sharing of polling data about Midwestern states where Trump later won upset victories, conversations with the Russian ambassador to influence Russia’s response to sanctions imposed by the U.S. government in response to election interference, and communications with Wikileaks after it had received emails stolen by Russia. While none of these acts amounted to the crime of conspiracy, all could be described as “collusion.”



Twenty20002020 发表于 2020-10-14 10:22

分不清什么是事实什么是观点, 请看楼主此帖
Twenty20002020
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事实都在mueller report 里。我上面也贴了。你看不懂英文?
无聊23
经常看到人说选川普的一个原因是law and order. 可是他应该是历史上最不尊重法律的总统吧?我能想到的例子有 (欢迎大家补充)
1。利用总统的权力让别的国家调查他的竞争对手 2。在没有任何证据的情况下要求司法部调查他的前任和现在的竞争对手 (Obama 和Biden ) 3。让司法部撤销对Michael Flynn 的指控,尽管Flynn 自己已经认罪 4。pardon roger stone 5。不commit to peaceful transfer of power 6。要fbi 的头pledge loyalty 7。 给艳星封口费 8。十几年不付税,付税的那两年也只付了750 9。不follow 各州的COVID-19 safety orders 10。在自己的rally 煽动暴力


Twenty20002020 发表于 2020-10-14 01:31

请问你哪里看到川普只付了750块钱的税呢?你有事实根据吗?
Twenty20002020
Donald J. Trump paid $750 in federal income taxes the year he won the presidency. In his first year in the White House, he paid another $750. He had paid no income taxes at all in 10 of the previous 15 years — largely because he reported losing much more money than he made. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html

qqyxgz
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事实都在mueller report 里。我上面也贴了。你看不懂英文?
Twenty20002020 发表于 2020-10-14 10:58

穆勒报告两党参议员都读了, 得出不同结论。 你的英文是比议员都强?

无聊23
Donald J. Trump paid $750 in federal income taxes the year he won the presidency. In his first year in the White House, he paid another $750. He had paid no income taxes at all in 10 of the previous 15 years — largely because he reported losing much more money than he made. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html


Twenty20002020 发表于 2020-10-14 12:33

在你所引用的这篇文章里,川普当总统的第一年里,收入亏损了1200万,但由于AMT,他仍然要付740万的税,他用business credit付了,只须另付750块。你不能说一个150块钱的东西,你用giftcard支付了100,这个东西就成了50块钱。所以这篇文章的题目是故意误导民众,大大的坏了良心。更何况川普捐了40万薪水. 从这篇文章我倒可以看出两个好处:1)作为总统他的生意没有赚钱,对美国民众和川普是好事;2)税法有AMT, 可以防止过多税务抵扣。
如果我说的有误,请指正。
千渔千寻
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捍卫本土政权是最高道德
Twenty20002020
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1。川普一直在主张移民不能成为public charge, 他十几年不付税他就是一个public charge,他就是没有为美国做贡献。 2。 川普拥有很多各种各样的空头公司。比如说最近NYT 的另一篇文章说到他的一家空头公司。这家公司没有员工,之前没有收入,也没有商业目的,却突然出现了一笔21 million 的支出。这笔支出最终做成了公司的亏空。这种亏空是可以用来抵税的。所以你说他之前那些亏空是怎么来的呢?是真的亏空吗?IRS 为什么一直在查他呢?
how he engineered a sudden financial windfall — more than $21 million in what experts describe as highly unusual one-off payments from the Las Vegas hotel he owns with his friend the casino mogul Phil Ruffin.
The bulk of the money went through a company called Trump Las Vegas Sales and Marketing that had little previous income, no clear business purpose and no employees. The Trump-Ruffin joint venture wrote it all off as a business expense.
“Why all of a sudden does this company have more than $20 million in fees that haven’t been there before?” said Daniel Shaviro, a professor of taxation at the New York University School of Law. “And all of this money is going to a man who just happens to be running for president and might not have a lot of cash on hand?” Unless the payments were for actual business expenses, he said, claiming a tax deduction for them would be illegal. If they were not legitimate and were also used to fund Mr. Trump’s presidential run, they could be considered illegal campaign contributions.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/10/09/us/donald-trump-taxes-las-vegas.html