肺炎抗体是用堕胎的细胞发展起来的?

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楼主 (北美华人网)
今天读到 Monoclonal antibody treatments like the one Trump got may be the most effective approach for treating coronavirus infections, Microsoft founder Bill Gates said Thursday. Those treatments were developed using cells derived from aborted fetuses, a scientific method that the Trump administration has tried to block. 这里aborted fetuses是指堕胎的胎儿吗?如果是这样的话trump共和党不是反对堕胎吗?怎么会用这样的treatment?还是我理解错了?
落地无声
昨天各大媒体都报道了。
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moomoo915
防不胜防,很多疫苗里也有堕胎的细胞
川巨巨快把抗体排出来!
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为啥要用堕胎的细胞呢?纯好奇。
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bipoppy
共和党反对的是late-term abortion,20多周以后长成人样的。民主党甚至允许快生的时候abortion,是不是有点恐怖
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那是温和派
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luckyluck
是不是因为那些组织(姑且称为“组织”吧)的干细胞比较多,容易定向大量derive?
飞袖
每个人都要等到自己快要死的时候才希望干细胞的研究发展能快点。活蹦乱跳的时候就都在谴责
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筛选抗体用了一个cell line, 叫293T, 这个cell line是从人胚胎(肾组织)里derive并且处理过可以永生的细胞。这个细胞体外好养,长的有快,就成了生物实验里非常常用的cell line.
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fly11
分享一下 Trump 给Regeneron 打的广告,林肯计划做的,太逗了
https://youtu.be/gdAEtkjDO3k
分享一下 Trump 给Regeneron 打的广告,林肯计划做的,太逗了
https://youtu.be/gdAEtkjDO3k

fly11 发表于 2020-10-09 09:53

这个不太搞笑,最近看搞笑的看多了,笑点都高了不少
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看了下,这个细胞是三十几年前用人胚肾细胞改造的细胞,加入一种东西可以在实验室无限传代,跟癌细胞一样,是科学家的常用工具,这次抗体和疫苗都用到了。
每天都
楼主没错,aborted fetus就是堕胎的胎儿,你们大统领真棒棒
我昨天看到学术界的俩大牛转了这篇mit review,突然觉得大家开始学会怎么跟脑残川粉吵架了。跟他们解释为什么川普能治好不代表这是个大流感,一点用都没有,什么总统打了多少抗体,抗体为什么不好大规模生产,都是对牛谈琴。
川普用的抗体来自堕胎的细胞,这种事实多说才有用,就是说的有点晚,用之前就问他堕胎的细胞来的,打不打?
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fly11
楼主没错,aborted fetus就是堕胎的胎儿,你们大统领真棒棒
我昨天看到学术界的俩大牛转了这篇mit review,突然觉得大家开始学会怎么跟脑残川粉吵架了。跟他们解释为什么川普能治好不代表这是个大流感,一点用都没有,什么总统打了多少抗体,抗体为什么不好大规模生产,都是对牛谈琴。
川普用的抗体来自堕胎的细胞,这种事实多说才有用,就是说的有点晚,用之前就问他堕胎的细胞来的,打不打?
每天都 发表于 2020-10-09 10:04

早就有人研究了,群众性的运动,讲道理没用,要的就是 口号式的宣传和鼓(煽)动。那些“精英们”都是太学究了,整天讲道理,所以吵架一点 效果都没有 :-(
每天都
回复 15楼fly11的帖子
理论我知道呀,关键是吵架的时候根本想不到,自然会尽量讲理
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共和党反对的是late-term abortion,20多周以后长成人样的。民主党甚至允许快生的时候abortion,是不是有点恐怖
bipoppy 发表于 2020-10-09 09:36

你这个是睁着说假话。阿拉巴马已经把所有的堕胎都给禁止了。包括 被强奸怀孕的。
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Life_Protection_Act#:~:text=The%20Human%20Life%20Protection%20Act,the%20bill%20has%20delayed%20implementation.
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共和党反对的是late-term abortion,20多周以后长成人样的。民主党甚至允许快生的时候abortion,是不是有点恐怖
bipoppy 发表于 2020-10-09 09:36

那我们这里Heartbeat Bill 是谁提出来的?! 那时候才6-7个星期啊

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bipoppy
你这个是睁着说假话。阿拉巴马已经把所有的堕胎都给禁止了。包括 被强奸怀孕的。
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Life_Protection_Act#:~:text=The%20Human%20Life%20Protection%20Act,the%20bill%20has%20delayed%20implementation.
germanica 发表于 2020-10-09 11:04

你要跟我说极端的就没意思了,而且阿拉巴马这个还没执行呢。 你就说大部分民主党议员是不是允许extremely late up-to-birth abortion吧
“From its introduction to its signing, the Human Life Protection Act has been strongly opposed by Democratic politicians and activists; it has also been criticized by a number of Republican politicians. Legal challenges to the act were quickly brought by abortion rights advocates; a preliminary injunction against the law was issued by District Court Judge Myron Herbert Thompson in October 2019.”
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共和党反对的是late-term abortion,20多周以后长成人样的。民主党甚至允许快生的时候abortion,是不是有点恐怖
bipoppy 发表于 2020-10-09 09:36

胡說八道。 共和黨神棍集團是要禁所有墮胎。包含被強暴。
還有, Late Term Abortion 根本是個假議題。

Dr. Kristyn Brandi, an obstetrician-gynecologist and a board member from Physicians for Reproductive Health, told TIME last week that arguments about women getting abortions while in labor are a “gross mischaracterization” of abortion care.
“It’s not something that any person would come seeking, and it’s not something that any doctor would provide,” she said.
The proposed Virginia bill, which has been tabled, would have reduced existing restrictions on later abortions if a woman’s health is threatened.
Late-pregnancy abortions remain rare. Just 9% of abortions take place after the first trimester of pregnancy, and only 1% of abortions take place at 21 weeks or later, according to the Guttmacher Institute, a research and policy organization that advocates for reproductive rights.

“Late-term” abortions are generally understood to take place during or after the 21st to 24th week of gestation, which is late in the second trimester. That gestational period roughly corresponds to the point of “fetal viability” or when a fetus might be able to survive outside the womb with or without medical assistance. However, there is no precise medical or legal definition of “late-term,” and many doctors and scientists avoid that language, calling it imprecise and misleading. They say “late-term” may imply that these abortions are taking place when a woman has reached or passed a full-term pregnancy, which is defined as starting in the 37th week.
落地无声
那我们这里Heartbeat Bill 是谁提出来的?! 那时候才6-7个星期啊


玉观音 发表于 2020-10-09 12:25

These Are the States That Passed ‘Heartbeat Bills’ An increasing number of states are enacting restrictive abortion laws, aiming to challenge Roe v. Wade in court. BY RENAE REINTS May 31, 2019 5:00 AM EDT https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2019/05/31/states-that-passed-heartbeat-bill/amp/