According to the Times, Trump has about $421 million in debts which he has personally guaranteed and which are coming due over the next several years. This is consistent with earlier reporting about how much debt he carries, a chunk of which could be gleaned from the personal financial disclosures he is required to file with the federal government. But Trump’s overall indebtedness is greater than the Times tally, I believe. Russ Choma reported in Mother Jones last summer that Trump’s debts were nearly $500 million and would come due in relatively short order, pressuring the president’s finances. But Trump’s debts are even bigger than that, and he’s worked hard to keep them hidden for decades. Dan Alexander, a senior editor at Forbes, has been covering Trump’s business interests since 2016 and has a new book out about the president’s financial conflicts of interest, “White House Inc.” Alexander, in a helpful tally he shared Sunday evening, estimates Trump’s total indebtedness to be about $1.1 billion. Now that’s more like it.
回复 45楼yemao的帖子 这4.21亿不是房地产抵押贷款。是an addition of 421mm personal debt on top of commercial real estate debt...房地产贷款of course需要一直refinance，但是这421MM不是正常4.21亿房地产抵押贷款。如果只是421MM房地产贷款没有人会大惊小怪。
回复 45楼yemao的帖子 这4.21亿不是房地产抵押贷款。是an addition of 421mm personal debt on top of commercial real estate debt...房地产贷款of course需要一直refinance，但是这421MM不是正常4.21亿房地产抵押贷款。如果只是421MM房地产贷款没有人会大惊小怪。 drizzleblue 发表于 2020-09-28 15:06
看一下wikipedea对trump财务的说法，链接如下： https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_of_Donald_Trump#:~:text=Bloomberg%20Billionaires%20Index%20listed%20Trump's,as%20of%205%20March%202019. In 2016, Forbes estimated Trump's net worth at $3.7 billion.[24][25] During the three years after Trump announced his presidential run in 2015, Forbes estimated his net worth declined 31% and his ranking fell 138 spots.[26] Discrepancies in estimates of various organizations is due in part to the uncertainty of appraised property values, as well as Trump's own assessment of the value of his personal brand.[24][27] In its 2018 billionaires ranking, Forbes estimated Trump's net worth at $3.1 billion (766th in the world, 248th in the U.S.).[25]Bloomberg Billionaires Index listed Trump's net worth as $2.48 billion on May 31, 2018,[28] and Wealth-X listed it as at least $3.8 billion on July 16, 2018.[29] In its 2019 billionaires ranking, Forbes estimated Trump's net worth at $3.1 billion (715th in the world, 259th in the U.S.) as of 5 March 2019.[25] 对于一个净资产3.1个billion的人，421million的债务仅占14%，这还是净资产负债率。 国内房地产的资产负债率动辄达到了80%，美国在50%-60%之间。 Trump的这个净资产负债率在银行家眼中估计是优质房地产客户了。
democrats has no credit left. I don't understand why ppl would even waste their time reading those. it is a very simple choice. do you have commonsense or not.
这4.21亿未来四年到期了，如果还不上，要么extend - 正常途径他是通不过extension test的， 如果有人愿意violate所有正常内部外部regulation来extend，你信他只是喜欢特朗普做好事？？； 要么有人来救特朗普给他新的贷款新的投资。谁救？这种极度high risk的投资如果没有极高的reward, 谁做？谁都不是雷锋，救你要不要给我好处？
不要说特朗普生意好可以自己偿还了。从11-19年房地产8年增长繁荣他都亏成这样。COVID以来他的豪华酒店是受影响最大的sector. 现在酒店债券default率是接近25%的，他的豪华酒店高度依靠business travel，受影响更大。现金流吃紧先姑且不说，他的酒店估值到2023能不能恢复covid以前都不好说，他公司固定资产就算全变卖了，能够还给这些楼贷就不错了。equity他能拿回来几毛钱真一不一定，完全无力偿还他的4.21亿个人贷款。
如果特朗普连任成功，不需要讨好他的基本盘了。为了摆脱个人经济危机，为了他一群没真本事的子子孙孙能够继续锦衣玉食而去跪舔独裁政府，习近平included，分分钟的事情。 举例说，他的豪华酒店值4个亿，covid以来估计能值2.8亿就不错了。估计贷款就有3个亿。3个亿到期了还不上咋办，美国基金都猴精猴精的，谁也不是傻子会接盘。习近平如果派个中金说我觉得这酒店值5个亿，愿意买，你看特朗普会不会给他当孙子。这种大规模亏本生意挥一挥手就能干的只有独裁政府，特朗普未来四年给独裁者当走狗是大概率事件。
真还传在trump这里是看不到的。
再破产一次呗。
哈哈哈哈
这个早些时候一直在说，德银自己的报告。
是的，特朗普之前很多贷款都是德银贷款。德银shady天下第一，洗钱丑闻诉讼这几年快把自己都干死了。okay可以说德银shady不代表特朗普shady。那么请问为什么世界第一强国的总统永远都和各个业界最shady的player纠缠不清说不清道不明呢。
利率降低，资产泡沫越吹越大，只富了有资产的富人。特朗普的红脖基本盘手里有股票吗，手里有投资房吗？贫富差异在特朗普的政策下加速扩大，他的基本盘被卖了还给他数钱。
Hunter Biden乌克兰捞钱早不是概率了。
他的盘本来就是中下阶级的红脖子和自以为是yy为第二白人的华人
Hunter biden 在乌克兰额外赚了600K和sitting president靠大独裁国家提供4.21亿保命钱你觉得是一个量级的？
这么有分量的帖子，必须顶啊。
我不觉得。特朗普拥趸喜欢说都是腐败的，谁都是一样的。这就是把一切极端化的诡辩。美国其他政客就算腐败也要偷偷摸摸在现有规章下找找loophole小心行事。这就是制度的力量- 即便不能保证所有人都是公正廉洁by nature的，但是有制度在，任何个体能带来的破坏是有限度的。但是特朗普是直接欺诈直接耍无赖，无视制度并且试图利用手里权力改变制度。这种人被放在世界最有权势的岗位，且有动力卖国腐败 （欠款4.21亿无力偿还），是极其危险的。
可能会先找盟友银行。例如台湾的银行。
前些天不是证实了台湾兆丰银行 2015年拒绝了Jared的贷款，但川普上台后，2017年走特殊途径审批贷给了Jared 5000万美金么。这在岛内也闹得沸沸扬扬的。
Jared是马云的私下好友（也意味着Jared有条件acess中国的富豪圈），马云如果认为Jared有用的上的地方，别说5000万美金，找个第三方给他50亿美金贷款也就分分钟的事。政治金钱交换就是这样来的。
Hunter要竞选总统，你以为他敢不公开税单么？不公开个人财务状况么？哈哈
多说一句啊，你这逻辑谬误要认真学学了。
也不一定是某大独裁国家，只是可能性而已。不过这4.21亿个人担保债务属实的话，确实.....
还是期待大总统拿事实打脸NYT，现在不打可能就来不及了
王兵主任，这个id今晚必须吊起来打了，这么容易就暴露了，你们最近工作力度减少了！
廊坊女子监狱的drizzleblue，工号430674，注册时间@2019-11-09，请记住，用川普，instead of特朗普。这很村炮，很河北口音。已经说过很多次了。
wangbing主任，我建议培训班要办起来了。现在用的这批1年有期徒刑的，学的太慢了。
对的呢。Jared也是一屁股烂账。老爹盖廉租房发家，他二世祖没啥真本事还溢价买666 fifth这种trohpy asset充大头。 房产都是最高点买的，债务到期了任何用正常估值方法进行合理投资的美国银行以及基金都没法接盘。只能靠愿意当冤大头的外国银行基金来bail out。谁真的愿意当冤大头？无利可图境外银行为啥总救你。
昨天NYT的特朗普750刀纳税新闻稿里提了他的421million个人贷款未来四年到期。只不过大家注意力都放在他少缴税了。
你们是谁？我发这个贴子是因为我care美国。不想它向任何其他国家下跪。
Trump''s Taxes Show He''s a National Security Threat
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-09-28/trump-s-tax-returns-show-he-s-a-national-security-threat
According to the Times, Trump has about $421 million in debts which he has personally guaranteed and which are coming due over the next several years. This is consistent with earlier reporting about how much debt he carries, a chunk of which could be gleaned from the personal financial disclosures he is required to file with the federal government. But Trump’s overall indebtedness is greater than the Times tally, I believe. Russ Choma reported in Mother Jones last summer that Trump’s debts were nearly $500 million and would come due in relatively short order, pressuring the president’s finances. But Trump’s debts are even bigger than that, and he’s worked hard to keep them hidden for decades. Dan Alexander, a senior editor at Forbes, has been covering Trump’s business interests since 2016 and has a new book out about the president’s financial conflicts of interest, “White House Inc.” Alexander, in a helpful tally he shared Sunday evening, estimates Trump’s total indebtedness to be about $1.1 billion. Now that’s more like it.
这是大选前的新的攻击策略吗。 最近又看到关于拜登儿子和乌克兰政府关系，拜登访问中国带儿子还安排儿子会晤商人等等，也没见人提。
你是承认前者了是吧。 后者不是一个量级的，房地产的贷款一般有抵押，银行贷款到期可以续贷，为什么他的贷款一定要靠政府？简直是乱咬。
600k简直就是搞笑，Joe一个月就能挣回来。joe 缴税都交了3million.
大统领全家上阵儿女三个，女婿一个，儿子女朋友一个，自己没有正经工作，会晤世界各地商界政要，直接拿外资续命贷款以及接盘投资四年了，你看不见？
未必。 见过钱的自己有钱的会少些概率为了钱被别人左右用权利换钱。
大姐，这4.21亿不是房地产抵押贷款好吧...请读读新闻...
如果有问题民主党不是早弹劾上了？还用得着你在这儿散布吗
你确定特朗普有钱？有钱交这么点税？没有偷税漏税真没钱，还是有钱偷税漏税，你选一个吧。不要bullshit富人都有很多避税手段的交这么点是正常的。合法避税缴税最后税率比中产低这是正常的，注意是税率，不是缴税总数。没见过真的billionaire能合法避税到十来年连续做到缴税比一瓶酒钱还便宜的。
消息来源是你们那边出来的，然后拿着这个信息作结论二选一？ 这策略不错啊，打击能力和诋毁人品，大选白热化了。
消息来源是特朗普自己报的税单。Just in case你没有能力读懂新闻。
你这么了解，给大家讲讲Joe 有什么生意赚这么多钱呗？
你爱相信你想信的。
哈哈有道理。
借小钱， 银行是大爷； 借了大钱， 你就是大爷。
这4.21亿不是房地产抵押贷款。是an addition of 421mm personal debt on top of commercial real estate debt...房地产贷款of course需要一直refinance，但是这421MM不是正常4.21亿房地产抵押贷款。如果只是421MM房地产贷款没有人会大惊小怪。
个人债务攒了这么多为什么可以一直借到钱啊。。。。
In 2016, Forbes estimated Trump's net worth at $3.7 billion.[24][25] During the three years after Trump announced his presidential run in 2015, Forbes estimated his net worth declined 31% and his ranking fell 138 spots.[26] Discrepancies in estimates of various organizations is due in part to the uncertainty of appraised property values, as well as Trump's own assessment of the value of his personal brand.[24][27] In its 2018 billionaires ranking, Forbes estimated Trump's net worth at $3.1 billion (766th in the world, 248th in the U.S.).[25] Bloomberg Billionaires Index listed Trump's net worth as $2.48 billion on May 31, 2018,[28] and Wealth-X listed it as at least $3.8 billion on July 16, 2018.[29] In its 2019 billionaires ranking, Forbes estimated Trump's net worth at $3.1 billion (715th in the world, 259th in the U.S.) as of 5 March 2019.[25]
对于一个净资产3.1个billion的人，421million的债务仅占14%，这还是净资产负债率。 国内房地产的资产负债率动辄达到了80%，美国在50%-60%之间。 Trump的这个净资产负债率在银行家眼中估计是优质房地产客户了。
这就是疑点，他那个fl的公寓卖了个超高的价钱，还有只有德银借钱给他，结合前几天德银的消息，背后有普京。。。
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/news/business/article135187364.html Cerabino: A new twist in the old saga of that Palm Beach mansion Trump made a killing off of https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.palmbeachpost.com/amp/3468953001
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-fincen-files-shed-new-light-on-a-scandalous-episode-at-deutsche-bank/amp
it is a very simple choice. do you have commonsense or not.
Evidence please
川普居然交了七百五， 真是交的太多了
不明白，难道制度约束不了他么？现在是独裁政府了？？
讨厌民主党，你们随便说，照样不选Trump。
非移和低收入吃福利的又是谁在养的大票仓呢？