看原文 华人老板说他告诉fbi这个学生突然离开美国很可疑,并且他认为这个学生带走了数据。 然后学生说他通知教授了 Mr. Hu’s lawyer told the Journal that Mr. Dong did know Mr. Hu was leaving for China, as his research assistant position had concluded and his visa was set to expire. He added that Mr. Hu says he emailed Mr. Dong and talked with him on the phone a couple of days before his planned departure. 芝加哥法庭也是因为认为学生盗取导师研究成果,并不是国家安全或者间谍罪起诉 He had been under development for two decades by his University of Virginia adviser 并且所有文章里所有对学生的指控基本都是从导师那里来的,学生的律师说He said his client “absolutely feels betrayed by Professor Dong.” 浊者自浊,学生清不清不知道,导师这个时候想撇清关系也是难 rabbitu 发表于 2020-09-24 22:04
His university of virginia adviser 形容的是proprietary software code....,不是说他adviser charge 他。。。。 Charge 这个动词是跟执法部门一起用的。你认定的那种说法,英文应该会写his adviser accused him... 至于为什么访学认定是被导师举报,我之前也好奇在问。但英文媒体确实没写 另外访学一方面承认自己拷的文件会惹指导教授生气,一方面又指责教授背叛他,也有点迷
看原文 华人老板说他告诉fbi这个学生突然离开美国很可疑,并且他认为这个学生带走了数据。 然后学生说他通知教授了 Mr. Hu’s lawyer told the Journal that Mr. Dong did know Mr. Hu was leaving for China, as his research assistant position had concluded and his visa was set to expire. He added that Mr. Hu says he emailed Mr. Dong and talked with him on the phone a couple of days before his planned departure. 芝加哥法庭也是因为认为学生盗取导师研究成果,并不是国家安全或者间谍罪起诉 He had been under development for two decades by his University of Virginia adviser 并且所有文章里所有对学生的指控基本都是从导师那里来的,学生的律师说He said his client “absolutely feels betrayed by Professor Dong.” 浊者自浊,学生清不清不知道,导师这个时候想撇清关系也是难
好像是学校的security protocol没弄好,等这位研究人员拿到代码后他们才意识到应该限制这人的权限。这人没被告是因为technicality吧,不是因为他无辜。校方感觉挺无能 校方: A representative for the University of Virginia said in a statement to The Wall Street Journal Tuesday that the school continued to investigate “the circumstances surrounding the former research scholar’s unauthorized possession of University files while attempting to leave the country,” adding that Mr. Hu “did not have permission to access or take the files and was repeatedly denied permission to access them.” The spokesman said the university had determined that one of the computing systems that Mr. Hu had access to included “permission settings that were not sufficient to establish a violation of law,” and said the university is reviewing its data access and permission standards as a result. hu在美国的老板:Mr. Hu’s adviser at UVA, Haibo Dong, reiterated to the Journal what he had told the FBI: that he believed Mr. Hu had improperly taken his code. “It’s not ethical and not appropriate but whether it reaches a criminal level, I’m not sure,” he said, referring questions about the case to university officials. ============= To prove Mr. Hu stole trade secrets, prosecutors would need to prove both that the defendant wasn’t entitled to the information, and that the owner of the information had kept it guarded securely to ensure no unauthorized disclosure of it. “It’s not enough for the information to just be considered secret, you have to take affirmative steps to keep it secret,” said Christopher Ott, a former national security prosecutor who is now a lawyer at the law firm Rothwell Figg. 当事人已经飞回中国了,估计不会再来
好像是学校的security protocol没弄好,等这位研究人员拿到代码后他们才意识到应该限制这人的权限。这人没被告是因为technicality吧,不是因为他无辜。校方感觉挺无能 校方: A representative for the University of Virginia said in a statement to The Wall Street Journal Tuesday that the school continued to investigate “the circumstances surrounding the former research scholar’s unauthorized possession of University files while attempting to leave the country,” adding that Mr. Hu “did not have permission to access or take the files and was repeatedly denied permission to access them.” The spokesman said the university had determined that one of the computing systems that Mr. Hu had access to included “permission settings that were not sufficient to establish a violation of law,” and said the university is reviewing its data access and permission standards as a result. hu在美国的老板:Mr. Hu’s adviser at UVA, Haibo Dong, reiterated to the Journal what he had told the FBI: that he believed Mr. Hu had improperly taken his code. “It’s not ethical and not appropriate but whether it reaches a criminal level, I’m not sure,” he said, referring questions about the case to university officials. ============= To prove Mr. Hu stole trade secrets, prosecutors would need to prove both that the defendant wasn’t entitled to the information, and that the owner of the information had kept it guarded securely to ensure no unauthorized disclosure of it. “It’s not enough for the information to just be considered secret, you have to take affirmative steps to keep it secret,” said Christopher Ott, a former national security prosecutor who is now a lawyer at the law firm Rothwell Figg. 当事人已经飞回中国了,估计不会再来
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-drops-case-against-chinese-scientist-at-uva-11600866354 Prosecutors abruptly moved to drop criminal charges against a visiting Chinese scientist at the University of Virginia who had been arrested last month on allegations of stealing trade secrets from his professor, after the university acknowledged the scientist was authorized to access some of the material.
好像是学校的security protocol没弄好,等这位研究人员拿到代码后他们才意识到应该限制这人的权限。这人没被告是因为technicality吧,不是因为他无辜。校方感觉挺无能 校方: A representative for the University of Virginia said in a statement to The Wall Street Journal Tuesday that the school continued to investigate “the circumstances surrounding the former research scholar’s unauthorized possession of University files while attempting to leave the country,” adding that Mr. Hu “did not have permission to access or take the files and was repeatedly denied permission to access them.” The spokesman said the university had determined that one of the computing systems that Mr. Hu had access to included “permission settings that were not sufficient to establish a violation of law,” and said the university is reviewing its data access and permission standards as a result. hu在美国的老板:Mr. Hu’s adviser at UVA, Haibo Dong, reiterated to the Journal what he had told the FBI: that he believed Mr. Hu had improperly taken his code. “It’s not ethical and not appropriate but whether it reaches a criminal level, I’m not sure,” he said, referring questions about the case to university officials. ============= To prove Mr. Hu stole trade secrets, prosecutors would need to prove both that the defendant wasn’t entitled to the information, and that the owner of the information had kept it guarded securely to ensure no unauthorized disclosure of it. “It’s not enough for the information to just be considered secret, you have to take affirmative steps to keep it secret,” said Christopher Ott, a former national security prosecutor who is now a lawyer at the law firm Rothwell Figg. 当事人已经飞回中国了,估计不会再来
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-drops-case-against-chinese-scientist-at-uva-11600866354
Prosecutors abruptly moved to drop criminal charges against a visiting Chinese scientist at the University of Virginia who had been arrested last month on allegations of stealing trade secrets from his professor, after the university acknowledged the scientist was authorized to access some of the material.
更新:中国学者在美遭华人导师检举“窃密”,终获清白(图) https://api.e2bo.com/index.php?act=newsview&nid=440990&font=(null)&key=77962734189d628c68205e4be59c1728&3g=0&viewtype=&ios=iphone&ver=final_1
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据我所知,没啥教育程度的政庇大部分都是粉红。政庇只是一个手段。不过也许我的样本不足,有偏差。 一般文化程度高的,有一定的自我意识,自立能力,成为粉红的可能性就小一些。
會不會
連指導老師也....
His university of virginia adviser 形容的是proprietary software code....,不是说他adviser charge 他。。。。
Charge 这个动词是跟执法部门一起用的。你认定的那种说法,英文应该会写his adviser accused him...
至于为什么访学认定是被导师举报,我之前也好奇在问。但英文媒体确实没写
另外访学一方面承认自己拷的文件会惹指导教授生气,一方面又指责教授背叛他,也有点迷
看原文 华人老板说他告诉fbi这个学生突然离开美国很可疑,并且他认为这个学生带走了数据。
然后学生说他通知教授了 Mr. Hu’s lawyer told the Journal that Mr. Dong did know Mr. Hu was leaving for China, as his research assistant position had concluded and his visa was set to expire. He added that Mr. Hu says he emailed Mr. Dong and talked with him on the phone a couple of days before his planned departure.
芝加哥法庭也是因为认为学生盗取导师研究成果,并不是国家安全或者间谍罪起诉 He had been under development for two decades by his University of Virginia adviser
并且所有文章里所有对学生的指控基本都是从导师那里来的,学生的律师说He said his client “absolutely feels betrayed by Professor Dong.”
浊者自浊,学生清不清不知道,导师这个时候想撇清关系也是难
👍专研精神!有道理。需要看8/28 华尔街日报的原文。
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不管最后charge 不charge, 有人工作都丢了。
最后证明无辜,可能连个对不起都没有。
然而川粉大妈还在想着推自己孩子上藤校那点破事,继续MAGA。
去年也有过一例。 更早还有一个temple大学物理系的教授也是这样。华裔。
对中国学者,包括华裔学者的指控就是有罪推论。
先指控你是spy,再调查证据,最后找不到证据再撤销指控。
但是折腾一番工作丢了,人生也被毁的七七八八了。
说的太好啦
不光是这样,抓的时候各种大肆报道,放的时候悄悄放了,社会影响和舆论已经形成,对华人非常不利。
是。亚裔的生存空间越来越恶劣和狭小了。
没有任何证据就忽然抓人以间谍罪起诉。找不到证据放了就完了。也不给出任何解释。
还想起一个华裔女性科学家在气象局(?)之类的地方工作也是这样。被间谍罪起诉,没证据后忽然又撤销了指控。
但是舆论已经慢慢形成,华裔科学家就是spy,就和黑人就是强奸犯一样。
目的就是污名化华裔
这个检察官是左x,检察官被黄金蓝了!中国人一定是间谍,我们川粉都可以作证!川总要为我们做主,快点把这个人抓回去关起来。
华裔应该怎么fight back这种污名化?
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这些针对一个种族的污化一旦造成,形成社会舆论,多少年多少代人都很难根除。
看看黑人就是罪犯的舆论形象就知道了。黑人的各种民权运动已经半个多世纪了,包括现在的blm运动,现状如何?
华人会比黑人做的更好吗?呵呵。
Trump掀起新一轮美国国内的排华风潮,FBI默认各大科研机构的所有Chinese americans科学家都是spy,而历史上冤假错案可不少,以后所有chinese American都被自动认为just the wrong amount of American才是远远超过aa最大的不公平。
核物理学家李文和1999年被charge 59项间谍罪名认定是中国间谍,定罪了,但最后没法证明,58项罪名全部被dismiss,只留了一项improper handling of restricted data,联邦政府2016年向他赔偿了1.6M,当时的联邦法官公开向他道歉并批评了美国政府在法庭上的失职和错误引导。
有兴趣可以读读这篇文章 https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/09/the-case-of-scientist-wen-ho-lee-and-chinese-americans-under-suspicion-for-espionage.html
真正机密的东西,根本不会让中国人接触, 既然让你能轻易接触的东西都不是什么真正重要的,尤其是什么访学。 反正就是要恶心你一下。
即使讨回来,也是对个人的。
对华人整个种族,都是污名化,是讨不回了的。而且别人就是特意让你种族污名化。
抓起来关一段时间,让你丢工作,卖房请律师。然后无罪开释....
华人川粉疼哭流涕,跪倒膜拜:感谢Trump!感谢共和党检察官大人!您们是民主自由的青天,law and order 的模范啊!
还是冒出来一个恶心人的
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要不是政庇的又蠢又坏,见不得同胞活的像个人的,却依然支持川普的大妈,眼光不是一般的短浅。。
黑人犯案的多,就有更大可能被stop and check。
911以后,穆斯林就更大可能在上飞机前被check,被怀疑。
现在你chinese 被发现有很多偷知识的,就被重点check。
这里被stop的量大以后,也肯定有抓错的。
这个逻辑有什么不对的?
你就当一个房东,哪个群体是高风险群体也是根据你以前的经验和概率?
连这点基本事实都搞不清楚就起诉?????
不懂为什么,挖个坑埋自己?这些人脑门上必须刺青反共反华,光在华人上yy主子不知道呵,一锅烩了多冤
》黑人犯案的多,就有更大可能被stop and check。 》911以后,穆斯林就更大可能在上飞机前被check,被怀疑。 》现在你chinese 被发现有很多偷知识的,就被重点check这个逻辑有什么不对的? 这些好像都算racial discrimination。不符合欧美国家宪法的。
Temple 那个属于校内政治斗争
校内斗争永远存在。华人是spy的形象在现在的环境下是个用的很顺手的利器。
我还记得李文和案呢。后续索赔了吗?
校方: A representative for the University of Virginia said in a statement to The Wall Street Journal Tuesday that the school continued to investigate “the circumstances surrounding the former research scholar’s unauthorized possession of University files while attempting to leave the country,” adding that Mr. Hu “did not have permission to access or take the files and was repeatedly denied permission to access them.”
The spokesman said the university had determined that one of the computing systems that Mr. Hu had access to included “permission settings that were not sufficient to establish a violation of law,” and said the university is reviewing its data access and permission standards as a result.
hu在美国的老板:Mr. Hu’s adviser at UVA, Haibo Dong, reiterated to the Journal what he had told the FBI: that he believed Mr. Hu had improperly taken his code. “It’s not ethical and not appropriate but whether it reaches a criminal level, I’m not sure,” he said, referring questions about the case to university officials. =============
To prove Mr. Hu stole trade secrets, prosecutors would need to prove both that the defendant wasn’t entitled to the information, and that the owner of the information had kept it guarded securely to ensure no unauthorized disclosure of it. “It’s not enough for the information to just be considered secret, you have to take affirmative steps to keep it secret,” said Christopher Ott, a former national security prosecutor who is now a lawyer at the law firm Rothwell Figg.
当事人已经飞回中国了,估计不会再来
只有想不到,没有舔不到,respect
还是拿了东西?啥啊?
網路上的群眾在批評時鮮有疑罪從無的概念
re! 华人上前阵子有些人上蹿下跳的丑态真是让人叹为观止。
嗯,这点比XX国好。
拿的就是水下机器人项目的代码吧,回国后就能直接架起自己的机器人了。美国这方面的研究还算领先
UVA也算美国比较好的大学了,但看来classification/it security基本没有。也许这些项目以前并不特别敏感
我记得这个案子,不知道现在李文和怎样了。
列举一下“很多偷知识”的Chinese, 要定罪的那种,要不都是诬陷!!!
把人毁了再讲理?你真会洗。
这位胡先生是有问题的,当成嫌疑犯不冤啊。系统显示他想偷的东西没偷成,多次试图偷,但被access denied。
但由于学校安全系统的遗漏,他还是拿到了一些东西,只是那些偷到的东西是不是构成犯罪,把他抓到调查之前并不知道。
话说胡先生的老板也是纯中国人,人家就没被抓嘛。
胡先生?又是一个台湾的.....要移民赶快,很快台湾的飞机就不能起飞了。到时候要走就只有游泳了😎
请给出证据
部分华人自主站队,麻利的站强者一边帮主子们漫骂那颗“老鼠屎”,生为华人就是原罪。
那你上华人干嘛?简直贱嘛
共產黨又不是華人
差那麼遠
怪不得台灣要跟
帝 做切割
名聲太壞了
好奇这样的指控有任何一点点的根据吗?简直是无妄之灾啊。
但最後
帝 的核彈頭做出來
就是李文和 handle的那一塊
科學要分享
技術要摳住當機密
華人又不做科學 專做技術
傷腦筋啊
怎么做到,把自己的爹妈也fire掉,大义灭亲;还是自己回中国娘胎里,然后再投胎到白妈妈肚子里?
應該說是不要介入
帝 與美帝 之間
帝 要花幾十兆在半導體上頭
可以回國報效
之前那些并没有证据“介入”的不也是被起诉了?身为ethnic Chinese就是原罪罢了
感谢川普,感恩川普
可以反告么?强烈建议告政府。
应该是学校的安全措施不严,顺手牵羊了。他没事了,学校和PI保管不严,应该会有些麻烦,可能会影响以后的项目申请,甚至罚款也有可能。
无辜家庭妇女上电椅?编的能不能更邪乎一些。
兩邊在打仗
你在戰場上穿過來穿過去
早晚會被戰火打到
中国学者在美遭华人导师检举“窃密”,终获清白(图)
https://api.e2bo.com/index.php?act=newsview&nid=440990&font=(null)&key=77962734189d628c68205e4be59c1728&3g=0&viewtype=&ios=iphone&ver=final_1
华人互害啊。。是不是教授羡慕嫉妒恨学者回国享受生活,临回国,想害他入狱?
你也太能洗了
说的大概是Ethel Rosenberg,稍微研究过麦卡锡时代的人都知道吧,你不知道?
屈打成招国内都不可能了,有监视摄像,但是像李文和一样,把你放进去然后单人囚禁分分钟的事,另外按你这个逻辑,我猜看到法官给李文和道歉的时候你一定热泪盈眶,赞美美国的法律公正,无辜的人没被定罪,和法官的高尚磊落🤣,着重点相当的奇怪。
对,看了半天第一次看到有人在这个帖子里讨论这个。现在是两个中国人之间的“理解”偏差。最开始也是Dong举报的 https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/517836-prosecutors-drop-charges-against-visiting-chinese-scientist-at
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通稿文化
不分奴婢皇上 用詞都是
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