https://esportsobserver.com/judge-hearing-wechat-ban-us/ 但是这个是district court，有这么大权力吗？请懂的mm来说一下？ 总结：禁微信会对原告的1st amendment rights 带来不可弥补的伤害，对于不会说英文的中国美国人，没有替代软件可以用于交流。并且官方也没有提供有损国家安全的明确证据。 不管怎么样，突然有点感动生活中美国这片土地，不管最后成不成，至少还有个说理的地方。而且历史上告政府的也是有成功例子的，影响老板姓生活至少还可以找到援助。在国内的话真的就是被screw up就screw up了，无法反抗。你去上访不被送精神病院就不错了 U.S. District Court Magistrate Judge Laurel Beeler for the Northern District of California – San Francisco heard arguments Saturday afternoon for a preliminary injunction to halt the ban of Tencent’s multi-purpose messaging, social media, and mobile payment app, WeChat, in the U.S. The order was issued by the Commerce Department on Friday. Attorney Michael Bien, representing the U.S WeChat Alliance, argued that the government’s ban of the app would do irreparable harm to the plaintiffs’ First Amendment rights, that there is no alternative application that can be used for Chinese Americans to communicate (because many do not speak English), and that no proof has been presented to-date by the government that WeChat poses a threat to national security. Bien also argued that the order from Commerce was too vague in scope. U.S. Department of Justice attorney Michael Drezner said in his argument that the ban would not make the app unusable for users immediately, but certain features will see “degradation” over time. He acknowledged that the app would become unavailable to new users, but argued that there were plenty of alternatives to WeChat that could be used – an argument Bien challenged. He also said that the ban was aimed more at “transactions” with Tencent. Judge Beeler said that she would begin drafting an order, but did not indicate what her decision was at the close of the hearing. An order is likely to be released sometime before the deadline of the ban, which is Sept. 29, at 11:59 p.m. ET. The request for a preliminary injunction was filed on Friday afternoon on behalf of a group of WeChat users in the U.S. who were concerned that the ban would unreasonably impact their lives. This is a developing story. On Friday, the Commerce Department issued an order effectively banning both WeChat and ByteDance’s short-form video app TikTok from app stores on iOS and Android devices. The order from Commerce was at the direction of an executive order issued in August by U.S. President Donald Trump banning transactions with the apps, citing “national security risks.” WeChat owner Tencent Holdings has deep connective tissue to the video games industry including League of Legends and Valorant developer Riot Games, Fortnite and Rocket League owner Epic Games. On Friday, the U.S. Treasury Department’s Committee on Foreign Investments in the United States (CFIUS) sent letters to Riot, Epic, and other video game makers with financial ties to Tencent asking for information on security protocols that protect users in the United States. The Administration’s look into WeChat appears to have opened the door to taking a closer look at companies that have investments from Tencent Holdings and signals that wholly-owned Chinese game companies and companies with investments from China-based entities could face greater regulatory scrutiny in the future. Tencent has investments in a number of companies running esports leagues and games (many of which run competitions in North America) including Rainbow Six Siege owner Ubisoft, Overwatch League and Call of Duty League owner Activision Blizzard, PUBG and PUBG Mobile owner Bluehole, and Free Fire owner SEA Limited (which owns Garena). It also fully owns mobile developer Supercell, makers of Clash Royale and Brawl Stars. On Friday, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross told Fox Business Network said that “for all practical purposes” WeChat would be shut down in the U.S. when the order officially takes effect Sunday, though an unnamed Commerce Dept. official told Reuters that the app would still work for existing U.S. users but might experience intermittent outages and a degradation in some services. The app will not be available for new users on Android or iOS device stores once the order is in place. Also on Friday, downloads of TikTok and WeChat saw modest increases. TikTok downloads rose approximately 12% in the U.S. on Friday compared to Thursday, while WeChat saw an increase of 150% from Thursday, according to early estimates from Sensor Tower.
https://esportsobserver.com/judge-hearing-wechat-ban-us/ 但是这个是district court，有这么大权力吗？请懂的mm来说一下？ 总结：禁微信会对原告的1st amendment rights 带来不可弥补的伤害，对于不会说英文的中国美国人，没有替代软件可以用于交流。并且官方也没有提供有损国家安全的明确证据。 不管怎么样，突然有点感动生活中美国这片土地，不管最后成不成，至少还有个说理的地方。而且历史上告政府的也是有成功例子的，影响老板姓生活至少还可以找到援助。在国内的话真的就是被screw up就screw up了，无法反抗。你去上访不被送精神病院就不错了 U.S. District Court Magistrate Judge Laurel Beeler for the Northern District of California – San Francisco heard arguments Saturday afternoon for a preliminary injunction to halt the ban of Tencent’s multi-purpose messaging, social media, and mobile payment app, WeChat, in the U.S. The order was issued by the Commerce Department on Friday. Attorney Michael Bien, representing the U.S WeChat Alliance, argued that the government’s ban of the app would do irreparable harm to the plaintiffs’ First Amendment rights, that there is no alternative application that can be used for Chinese Americans to communicate (because many do not speak English), and that no proof has been presented to-date by the government that WeChat poses a threat to national security. Bien also argued that the order from Commerce was too vague in scope. U.S. Department of Justice attorney Michael Drezner said in his argument that the ban would not make the app unusable for users immediately, but certain features will see “degradation” over time. He acknowledged that the app would become unavailable to new users, but argued that there were plenty of alternatives to WeChat that could be used – an argument Bien challenged. He also said that the ban was aimed more at “transactions” with Tencent. Judge Beeler said that she would begin drafting an order, but did not indicate what her decision was at the close of the hearing. An order is likely to be released sometime before the deadline of the ban, which is Sept. 29, at 11:59 p.m. ET. The request for a preliminary injunction was filed on Friday afternoon on behalf of a group of WeChat users in the U.S. who were concerned that the ban would unreasonably impact their lives. This is a developing story. On Friday, the Commerce Department issued an order effectively banning both WeChat and ByteDance’s short-form video app TikTok from app stores on iOS and Android devices. The order from Commerce was at the direction of an executive order issued in August by U.S. President Donald Trump banning transactions with the apps, citing “national security risks.” WeChat owner Tencent Holdings has deep connective tissue to the video games industry including League of Legends and Valorant developer Riot Games, Fortnite and Rocket League owner Epic Games. On Friday, the U.S. Treasury Department’s Committee on Foreign Investments in the United States (CFIUS) sent letters to Riot, Epic, and other video game makers with financial ties to Tencent asking for information on security protocols that protect users in the United States. The Administration’s look into WeChat appears to have opened the door to taking a closer look at companies that have investments from Tencent Holdings and signals that wholly-owned Chinese game companies and companies with investments from China-based entities could face greater regulatory scrutiny in the future. Tencent has investments in a number of companies running esports leagues and games (many of which run competitions in North America) including Rainbow Six Siege owner Ubisoft, Overwatch League and Call of Duty League owner Activision Blizzard, PUBG and PUBG Mobile owner Bluehole, and Free Fire owner SEA Limited (which owns Garena). It also fully owns mobile developer Supercell, makers of Clash Royale and Brawl Stars. On Friday, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross told Fox Business Network said that “for all practical purposes” WeChat would be shut down in the U.S. when the order officially takes effect Sunday, though an unnamed Commerce Dept. official told Reuters that the app would still work for existing U.S. users but might experience intermittent outages and a degradation in some services. The app will not be available for new users on Android or iOS device stores once the order is in place. Also on Friday, downloads of TikTok and WeChat saw modest increases. TikTok downloads rose approximately 12% in the U.S. on Friday compared to Thursday, while WeChat saw an increase of 150% from Thursday, according to early estimates from Sensor Tower. happydayabc 发表于 2020-09-19 19:21
但是这个是district court，有这么大权力吗？请懂的mm来说一下？ 总结：禁微信会对原告的1st amendment rights 带来不可弥补的伤害，对于不会说英文的中国美国人，没有替代软件可以用于交流。并且官方也没有提供有损国家安全的明确证据。
不管怎么样，突然有点感动生活中美国这片土地，不管最后成不成，至少还有个说理的地方。而且历史上告政府的也是有成功例子的，影响老板姓生活至少还可以找到援助。在国内的话真的就是被screw up就screw up了，无法反抗。你去上访不被送精神病院就不错了
U.S. District Court Magistrate Judge Laurel Beeler for the Northern District of California – San Francisco heard arguments Saturday afternoon for a preliminary injunction to halt the ban of Tencent’s multi-purpose messaging, social media, and mobile payment app, WeChat, in the U.S. The order was issued by the Commerce Department on Friday. Attorney Michael Bien, representing the U.S WeChat Alliance, argued that the government’s ban of the app would do irreparable harm to the plaintiffs’ First Amendment rights, that there is no alternative application that can be used for Chinese Americans to communicate (because many do not speak English), and that no proof has been presented to-date by the government that WeChat poses a threat to national security. Bien also argued that the order from Commerce was too vague in scope. U.S. Department of Justice attorney Michael Drezner said in his argument that the ban would not make the app unusable for users immediately, but certain features will see “degradation” over time. He acknowledged that the app would become unavailable to new users, but argued that there were plenty of alternatives to WeChat that could be used – an argument Bien challenged. He also said that the ban was aimed more at “transactions” with Tencent. Judge Beeler said that she would begin drafting an order, but did not indicate what her decision was at the close of the hearing. An order is likely to be released sometime before the deadline of the ban, which is Sept. 29, at 11:59 p.m. ET.
The request for a preliminary injunction was filed on Friday afternoon on behalf of a group of WeChat users in the U.S. who were concerned that the ban would unreasonably impact their lives. This is a developing story. On Friday, the Commerce Department issued an order effectively banning both WeChat and ByteDance’s short-form video app TikTok from app stores on iOS and Android devices. The order from Commerce was at the direction of an executive order issued in August by U.S. President Donald Trump banning transactions with the apps, citing “national security risks.” WeChat owner Tencent Holdings has deep connective tissue to the video games industry including League of Legends and Valorant developer Riot Games, Fortnite and Rocket League owner Epic Games. On Friday, the U.S. Treasury Department’s Committee on Foreign Investments in the United States (CFIUS) sent letters to Riot, Epic, and other video game makers with financial ties to Tencent asking for information on security protocols that protect users in the United States. The Administration’s look into WeChat appears to have opened the door to taking a closer look at companies that have investments from Tencent Holdings and signals that wholly-owned Chinese game companies and companies with investments from China-based entities could face greater regulatory scrutiny in the future. Tencent has investments in a number of companies running esports leagues and games (many of which run competitions in North America) including Rainbow Six Siege owner Ubisoft, Overwatch League and Call of Duty League owner Activision Blizzard, PUBG and PUBG Mobile owner Bluehole, and Free Fire owner SEA Limited (which owns Garena). It also fully owns mobile developer Supercell, makers of Clash Royale and Brawl Stars. On Friday, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross told Fox Business Network said that “for all practical purposes” WeChat would be shut down in the U.S. when the order officially takes effect Sunday, though an unnamed Commerce Dept. official told Reuters that the app would still work for existing U.S. users but might experience intermittent outages and a degradation in some services. The app will not be available for new users on Android or iOS device stores once the order is in place. Also on Friday, downloads of TikTok and WeChat saw modest increases. TikTok downloads rose approximately 12% in the U.S. on Friday compared to Thursday, while WeChat saw an increase of 150% from Thursday, according to early estimates from Sensor Tower.
有没有替代软件可用并不是可以justify禁止这个软件的原因。 试问下，现在如果突然禁了fox，然后告诉你可以看cnn啊其他media啊，是不是就可以禁了呢
不管这个世界有多少种交流方式，我选择了这种交流方式。在美国没有这个权力？你愿意用什么方式用什么方式，这不就是大家来美国的原因么？
不是，请不要代表我，我强烈支持ban 微信，tt。 我来美国的原因很简单，easy life， work life balance，如果需要可以有更多，但是list一屏幕也没有任何一条和土工这些垃圾软件相关的
你不用就别装。
自己不用也不许别人用是什么毛病？
看看你的在线时间，你的work life balance is a myth sorry，也许华人发帖就是你的work？
给这个一天到晚胡说八道的川粉轮子点踩的集合了！
lol 赞
沒有其他替代軟體
那就是托拉斯
可以用反托拉斯法治他
跟分裂 AT&T 一樣
多简单啊，我自己不用，也不许别人用。
你選擇這種交流方式...... 所以不讓中國贏兩次就是美國的錯 之前已經容忍微信亂封華人帳號這麼久,突然不忍了也是美國的錯 別拿牆國的標準出來現
谁说***不用的，今天还在微信群里为川皇募捐接龙呢。
台灣又不用微信
畢竟台灣經歷過 國民黨來台 四萬塊台幣換一塊新台幣的年代
像唯信這種 錢變成某家公司的數位信號
要用還得被某家公司扣來摳去的笨方法
實在沒吸引力啊
帝 區是沒辦法
畢竟 是
敕令
看熱鬧 多麼有趣啊
逻辑？
自己不吸毒也不许别人吸毒是什么毛病？
当年你还是四匹的时候，在买买提菌斑被群嘲的场面，也曾见到过几次。 讲真，群嘲的人里有些确实偏激，当时觉得他们有点过分。不过现在我明白了有些偏激的点为啥会被激发。
其实台独也好，港独也好，不同的政治诉求，可以理解，也不是不可以尊重。
但是，要想得到尊重，先要拥有decent的心态。损人不利己的心态看热闹，封微信与否和你们毛关系都没有，纯粹是你们倒霉我就爽这么浅薄的感官享受。
切，这样的狭隘的心态和短浅的vision，难怪会成为川统的粉丝。
非常同意，相安无事大家也不在乎你港独台独。但是跟你意见不一样就整天恶毒诅咒，今天这个崩明天那个崩，就让人恶心了，就不要怪大家来踩扁你。就弯弯香港那点人口，等逼急了你就知道谁是沉默的大多数了
你們 帝區 用 微信把人民的錢都給綁在 數位上頭起來 後面注定是要出事的 這次美國要禁微信 一堆錢取不出來的問題都出現了 我當年很 decent 跟你們講過 這會出問題的 你們當年就群嘲我
現在果然一個個爆出來了
當年群嘲我 現在就得很 decent的 乖乖讓我看熱鬧 很公平
大家快来围观这个低等弯弯人口，不仅英文不行，中文也极其不连贯。自己过得不好，希望大家一起过得不好。完全恬不知耻。还自称decent
你說是詛咒
我說是信念 馬克斯列寧唯物主義 對吧
蘇聯崩了 當年說是主義好 但出了沒能力控制的 戈巴妻夫 那現在出了個 沒事去招惹蒙古人朝鮮人的 帝
神炮山 被再解放了 21天 收不回來 就只會在台海噁心人
對比一下
台灣就是當年的共產黨 神炮山就是當年的東北 而 帝 就是當年的國民黨
wechat 就是 法壁 後頭 數位人民幣 就是 金圓券
不踩帝 踩誰
語言 是拿來溝通 不流暢的語言 卻可以 在你靈魂深處鬧革命
當年毛主席 千古一P 在帝區激起 千層浪
你辯不下去 拿出身跟語言做攻擊 更證明了
魯迅 是對的
请你不要侮辱鲁迅。鲁迅批的就是你这种看热闹内心龌龊的人
请你问问自己的灵魂，你过得不好到底和中国和土工还是习相关性高，还是和你自己能力低社交水平差有关
哪来的脸说逻辑？ 和父母朋友聊天在你看来是吸毒？
实际生活中六亲断绝也没有任何朋友吧。
强re！
把和父母朋友联系比喻成吸毒，震惊我了，哈哈
据说一种蜘蛛，出生以后就会把母蜘蛛吃掉～～他们体内一定混进了这种蜘蛛的基因。
哈哈哈，他们又要无厘头抗辩了，每次都特别无语，没有逻辑，说不过就骂人
没人代表你，只代表我自己。你愿意用啥谁在乎？这不也是你的自由么？你就是贴上我是台独、港独、轮子上街，也没人在乎，这不就是美国么？
是的，美国的宪法赋予你各种权力，如果政府能轻易剥夺别人其中一项，那么，轮到自己头上就不会远了。好多人沾沾自喜，觉得是办了中国，开心的要死，我真无语。这种政府侵犯人权的事开了头，带来的只会是独裁。
魯迅 罵
[乏走狗]
跟現在罵
[ 肥豬蓬]
一個檔次
跟 帝 一個檔次
怎麼會是 汙辱呢
是崇拜
我過得很開心啊
蓋 仁義不施 而攻守之勢易也
被捅菊的
神砲山 沒要台灣防守吧
就跟
當年九一八事變
東北不歸共產黨防守
一樣道理
神砲山 被 再解放 第21天
臉皮薄的戰狼
沒聽說過
文革時批鬥父母 也是用的這個基因吧
那就改用反托拉斯
如果只有微信可以
那就是托拉斯壟斷
得容許其他企業也進入這個市場
問題是
帝 不讓進
怎麼辦?
微信用戶上訴要求暫停週日禁令 加州法院拒絕
Play Video 北京時間：2020-09-19 10:21 FacebookTwitterEmailPrintFont Size簡體 【新唐人北京時間2020年09月19日訊】週五，部分美國微信用戶在加州法庭上訴，要求暫緩商務部對微信的禁令，但法官拒絕了這一請求，來看報導。 加州法院在週五拒绝了一份暫停微信禁令的請求，並指出該請求的理由並不充分。 根據路透社報導，一群美國微信用戶向北加州地區法院發出了該申請，要求法院阻止從週日開始的微信禁令。 但聯邦法官比勒（Laurel Beeler ）在聽取原告的訴狀後表示，理由並不充分，暫不插手，但將在週六舉行公聽會，吸納更多意見。 司法部對此表示，法官比勒應該否決這樣的請求，並指出，川普當局禁止微信是為了掃除中共的威脅。而要求暫停禁令的人沒有提供有說服力的依據。 對於微信即將被封，有海外華人表示，微信上的大外宣、假消息和無處不在的言論審查，已經讓其成為中共的海外領地。 李茂君：「 微信表面上說不會留存用戶的敏感信息，聊天信息，但是我曾經遇到過一件事情，我在一個四個人的群裡，就根本不會有任何人舉報，我發了一張中國憲法的圖片，然後我的號秒被封，告訴我發佈虛假信息被舉報了， 但是根本就不可能。」 李茂君表示，微信被禁之後，可能短期內對部分民眾與國內家人的聯絡會產生影響，但也好過縱容它侵蝕海外的言論自由。 新唐人记者李子文洛杉矶报導
可愛的法官
我支持她的決定
轮子们在微信群里蹦跶的不要太欢，每个大群里都有那么几只臭狗屎
都骑在华人头上拉屎了还在替拉屎的人叫好
支持你代表美华切腹谢罪，以表衷心。
看起来应该是比中国地区法院的权利高一些
人家用什么方式你管不着，爱不爱用是别人的选择，但是你不能非法夺走别人用的权利。你这是独裁统治下生活久了，不适应自由的美国？快点卷铺盖回厉害国吧！
看了下群里热衷领导这个的，跟当初领导给国内捐口罩的是一群人，而且大都是自己赚钱跟国内有关系的人，底下跟着捐款捐口罩的follower，就不太明白了，可能是些兵不厌诈的小兵
嘴巴好恶毒
哈哈，你知道推特也删帖吗，你知道Facebook会关账号吗，既然言论不自由干脆全部禁掉好了
有几个不愧是骗子岛来的，说话像裹脚布一样又长又臭，我刚屏蔽了感觉清净多了
”不管怎么样，突然有点感动生活中美国这片土地，不管最后成不成，至少还有个说理的地方。而且历史上告政府的也是有成功例子的，影响老板姓生活至少还可以找到援助。在国内的话真的就是被screw up就screw up了，无法反抗。你去上访不被送精神病院就不错了” 楼主很同意你说的！
蔣爸去過武漢 之後
還是得離開啊