Citing student privacy and the need to encourage cooperation with contact tracing for COVID-19, the University will not inform faculty if students in their classes test positive for the virus. 一样吗？
LEEN ARNAOUT AUGUST 25, 2020 AT 7:01 AM From a scientific standpoint, I do not think that this is the right thing to do. I understand that not being in your 6-feet perimeter doesn’t make someone a “close contact” but this should not apply inside the classroom as the air circulation and ventilation systems are different and can contribute to airborne spread (especially in a classroom with the door closed, despite AC and windows being open). You can still tell professors and students and Graduate teaching fellows that they came in contact with a person who tested positive WITHOUT mentioning names or identifying details (like Princeton did last spring) without jeopardizing any person’s identity. Or is it that it would be easy to identify who is sick because they’ll be gone from class (along with many other students possibly) if they’re sick? This is so unfair to faculty and graduate TFs, and unnecessarily risks their lives and turns them into transmission devices (no matter how good our HVACs are). I recommend checking out what professors Daniel Star and Nathan Phillips have to say about why this is a very dangerous idea that risks the health of everyone at BU. Disclaimer: these are my personal thoughts and opinions, which do not represent my employer
回复 37楼kaidan301的帖子 ANONYMOUSLY UNTENURED AUGUST 25, 2020 AT 7:45 AM Morrison’s email reads like an article from The Onion. “In order to protect the health and safety of everyone in the BU community, we have decided not to disclose to faculty when their health and safety may be in danger. We acknowledge that this may disappoint some, but we feel that it will be more difficult to coerce faculty members into unsafe situations if they understand the extent and severity of the dangers they face.”
CAS FACULTY AUGUST 25, 2020 AT 9:06 AM This administration grows more sickeningly disingenuous by the day. I am a faculty member who has remained silent for fear of retribution by administrators. I am teaching in person in the fall, and did not try to dodge out of doing so, in the hopes that our provost would show leadership, honesty, and care for those of us who care for the education and well-being of our students (our undergraduates in particular). Our provost has willfully misconstrued a desire on the part of in-person teaching staff to be made aware of seropositivity in our classrooms so that we can be informed about the risks that we may be courting, particularly as the numbers crammed into those classrooms has creeped up over the summer (even above the 25-person state maximum, from which BU is magically exempt). No one I know has the slightest desire to know the individual identity of students who have contracted the coronavirus. But we would like to know whether our classrooms are dangerous or safe places. The fiction that six feet of distance indoors will magically protect us, like a talisman, against contracting an illness with potentially lifelong consequences, is just that, and it is increasingly being refuted by the best science about airborne transmission, now being widely reported. Kudos to Cathie Klapperich for amazing work creating a strong testing regime. She deserves all credit. But bully to our administrators who lie to us beyond the realm of plausibility and put us in harm’s way time and again. Don’t be surprised when BU’s reputation sinks to levels even more subterranean than those of the Silber years, when faculty with choices leave BU for schools which have shown greater care and transparency, and students remember how they were seduced by the promise of an in-person experience as pleasant as a root canal, as expensive as a Tesla, and as effective pedagogically as the University of Phoenix on dial-up. All I can hope at this point is that this plan unravels like the farce that it has quickly become.
MJ AUGUST 25, 2020 AT 9:50 AM Such a shame, and such a mistake. “If students do not feel their privacy is protected, they may be less likely to fully and honestly participate in contact tracing, putting us all at higher risk.…the ultimate goal of keeping all faculty, staff, and students as safe as possible.” As many have stated before, no one is asking for any personal details from the students that test positive, only that they know one of their students has tested positive. Or better yet, that “one of their close contacts” has tested positive – that opens the possibilities to anyone! This is what contact tracing means!! You are not worried about their privacy being protected when you contact trace the other people that they report (roommates, friends, SOs, etc) – just the faculty/TAs/etc that have no choice but to come into the classroom and teach in-person. Not telling people who have spent up to 3-4hrs in a classroom with someone who tests positive that they too might now be positive is not keeping anyone “as safe as possible.” It is finding excuses to keep this LfA model working for as long as possible. This isn’t about privacy. This is about not wanting to admit that if you do the right thing and include classes in the contact tracing, soon enough everyone will be quarantined and we will end up in a fully remote semester after all.
MJ AUGUST 25, 2020 AT 9:50 AM Such a shame, and such a mistake. “If students do not feel their privacy is protected, they may be less likely to fully and honestly participate in contact tracing, putting us all at higher risk.…the ultimate goal of keeping all faculty, staff, and students as safe as possible.” As many have stated before, no one is asking for any personal details from the students that test positive, only that they know one of their students has tested positive. Or better yet, that “one of their close contacts” has tested positive – that opens the possibilities to anyone! This is what contact tracing means!! You are not worried about their privacy being protected when you contact trace the other people that they report (roommates, friends, SOs, etc) – just the faculty/TAs/etc that have no choice but to come into the classroom and teach in-person. Not telling people who have spent up to 3-4hrs in a classroom with someone who tests positive that they too might now be positive is not keeping anyone “as safe as possible.” It is finding excuses to keep this LfA model working for as long as possible. This isn’t about privacy. This is about not wanting to admit that if you do the right thing and include classes in the contact tracing, soon enough everyone will be quarantined and we will end up in a fully remote semester after all. kaidan301 发表于 2020-08-25 14:53
欧耶。。。。。。
老教授开始心惊胆战了吧！
Citing Student Privacy, BU Says Faculty Won’t Be Told if Students Test Positive for COVID-19
https://www.bu.edu/articles/2020/citing-student-privacy-bu-faculty-wont-be-told-if-students-test-positive-for-covid-19/
Citing student privacy and the need to encourage cooperation with contact tracing for COVID-19, the University will not inform faculty if students in their classes test positive for the virus.
一样吗？
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不告诉具体是哪个学生还能理解为保护隐私。如果连有人阳性都不告知，那才是侵犯老师的人权。
应该有按CDC要求隔离吧， 不然很快就会扩散开了
公司会告诉同组的人生病的人的姓名的
没看到教务长的信里明说了么，一部分教师肯定会失望
等你周围的人有确诊的，你就知道到底好不好了
隔离肯定隔离。但看信的意思是，老师并不知道这个学生不来了，是因为阳性了，还是别的原因。而且不能问。
至于自己有没有和该学生亲密接触， 要靠学生自觉给校方反应，校方再通知其他学生和老师。
如果这个学生忘了。，，，。。 和老师亲密接触过， 那老师，大概率是自认倒霉？
同组怎么界定？
Students are INCOME. Faculty are EXPENSES. That is the financial construct that is really playing out here. Its a zero sum game.
http://www.bu.edu/articles/2020/citing-student-privacy-bu-faculty-wont-be-told-if-students-test-positive-for-covid-19/#comments
有啊。我们学校会通知周围的老师和同学，要吗隔离14天，要吗拿个negative的result回来上课。
波士顿的大学，不可能是极右吧？
是不会给你说哪个人得了，但是学生和老师都是让回家（回宿舍）隔离十四天，当然你自己猜到了是另外一回事。我们系主任刚得了消息，后来去测了negative，又回来上班了。
波士顿大学，可是AOC的母校啊
http://www.bu.edu/articles/2020/citing-student-privacy-bu-faculty-wont-be-told-if-students-test-positive-for-covid-19/
恩，我们也是这样说的。其实大部分老师学生都猜到了。现在大班都是网课。只有10人左右小课学校还开。
LEEN ARNAOUT AUGUST 25, 2020 AT 7:01 AM
From a scientific standpoint, I do not think that this is the right thing to do. I understand that not being in your 6-feet perimeter doesn’t make someone a “close contact” but this should not apply inside the classroom as the air circulation and ventilation systems are different and can contribute to airborne spread (especially in a classroom with the door closed, despite AC and windows being open). You can still tell professors and students and Graduate teaching fellows that they came in contact with a person who tested positive WITHOUT mentioning names or identifying details (like Princeton did last spring) without jeopardizing any person’s identity. Or is it that it would be easy to identify who is sick because they’ll be gone from class (along with many other students possibly) if they’re sick? This is so unfair to faculty and graduate TFs, and unnecessarily risks their lives and turns them into transmission devices (no matter how good our HVACs are). I recommend checking out what professors Daniel Star and Nathan Phillips have to say about why this is a very dangerous idea that risks the health of everyone at BU.
Disclaimer: these are my personal thoughts and opinions, which do not represent my employer
ANONYMOUSLY UNTENURED AUGUST 25, 2020 AT 7:45 AM Morrison’s email reads like an article from The Onion. “In order to protect the health and safety of everyone in the BU community, we have decided not to disclose to faculty when their health and safety may be in danger. We acknowledge that this may disappoint some, but we feel that it will be more difficult to coerce faculty members into unsafe situations if they understand the extent and severity of the dangers they face.”
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两个极端都不好，追踪阳性患者的目的应该是保护其他大多数人同时帮助受感染者 厌恶集体主义但是感觉又离不开来自集体的利益，人毕竟是社会动物，最好的平衡该是什么呢？
你是在学校上班的吗？你觉得我们高校的老师都蠢的不行了，不顾自己家人，非要上班的？
党同意你把他们制造的新冠病毒抹黑成“生化武器”了嘛？
貌似大家只是想知道自己班上有没有人得病，而不是谁得了病
一个是体液传播疾病一个是空气传播疾病，放在一起讲不合适吧。
传染性不一样啊，HIV什么时候半年不到就在全美感染500万人？
严重性也不一样啊？而且谁要跟谁有体液交换的时候一样没有HIV是否阳性知情权不是？
新冠如果人人去测一遍很大百分比都有，绝大部分根本没啥症状，却要因此被广而告之，也不合适吧。
BIG都算不上，FLU的症状严重多了。 当然也可能是因为FLU没有这样的普查，所以不了解无症状或轻微症状携带的情况。
谁来负责 decide 你们有没有密切接触？ 你们前后脚排队打饭，公司里谁负责记录每天每个人排队的顺序吗？