波士顿大学最新规定:学生阳性是隐私问题,校方不会告知其上课老师

kaidan301
楼主 (北美华人网)

欧耶。。。。。。
kaidan301

老教授开始心惊胆战了吧!
tiaodashen
公司里也是这样,绝对不会告诉你姓名的。
kaidan301
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Citing Student Privacy, BU Says Faculty Won’t Be Told if Students Test Positive for COVID-19

https://www.bu.edu/articles/2020/citing-student-privacy-bu-faculty-wont-be-told-if-students-test-positive-for-covid-19/
kaidan301
公司里也是这样,绝对不会告诉你姓名的。
tiaodashen 发表于 2020-08-25 13:32

Citing student privacy and the need to encourage cooperation with contact tracing for COVID-19, the University will not inform faculty if students in their classes test positive for the virus.
一样吗?
nevergetlost
一直这样啊,那些仓库啊超市啊有确诊只能说有人确诊但是不说名字的
chenhechun
如果戴口罩, 完全隔离 就是 隐私 如果 病毒扩散 出来 危害到 其他人的健康 与安全 怎么就是 隐私了呢?
ChristinaW
那么,对阳性学生有没有强制性的隔离措施?
梅干茶泡饭

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chenhechun
如果是属意传播病毒? 就是公共卫生事件。
ocyoyo
至少要告诉老师有学生确诊了吧!
不告诉具体是哪个学生还能理解为保护隐私。如果连有人阳性都不告知,那才是侵犯老师的人权。
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lunchmm
不会告诉你具体的姓名,但是会通知你和你接触过。
我想我是疯了
那么,对阳性学生有没有强制性的隔离措施?
ChristinaW 发表于 2020-08-25 13:36

应该有按CDC要求隔离吧, 不然很快就会扩散开了
飞袖
挺好的,我妈说我们家乡那里都广而告之,还带个有标记的手环,严重被歧视。都康复了几个月了都没人和这些人说话,令人发指的歧视。
NJ橘猫
公司里也是这样,绝对不会告诉你姓名的。
tiaodashen 发表于 2020-08-25 13:32

公司会告诉同组的人生病的人的姓名的
kaidan301
至少要告诉老师有学生确诊了吧!
不告诉具体是哪个学生还能理解为保护隐私。如果连有人阳性都不告知,那才是侵犯老师的人权。
ocyoyo 发表于 2020-08-25 13:39

没看到教务长的信里明说了么,一部分教师肯定会失望
NJ橘猫
挺好的,我妈说我们家乡那里都广而告之,还带个有标记的手环,严重被歧视。都康复了几个月了都没人和这些人说话,令人发指的歧视。
飞袖 发表于 2020-08-25 13:44

等你周围的人有确诊的,你就知道到底好不好了
pizzawithnut
Bu是疯了吗?不把老师和其他学生当成命?
kaidan301
应该有按CDC要求隔离吧, 不然很快就会扩散开了
我想我是疯了 发表于 2020-08-25 13:41

隔离肯定隔离。但看信的意思是,老师并不知道这个学生不来了,是因为阳性了,还是别的原因。而且不能问。
至于自己有没有和该学生亲密接触, 要靠学生自觉给校方反应,校方再通知其他学生和老师。
如果这个学生忘了。,,,。。 和老师亲密接触过, 那老师,大概率是自认倒霉?
tiaodashen
公司会告诉同组的人生病的人的姓名的
NJ橘猫 发表于 2020-08-25 13:44

同组怎么界定?
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inimeg
cdc定义的亲密接触是 不带口罩,6ft内,15分钟哦,否则都不是高危
SillyC
现在各个in person上课的学校老师和学生都保持足够距离。学生得了就不去上课了。一般也会跟老师主动说。但是学校确实不会跟老师说哪个学生得了,班里有学生得的老师也不会被contact tracing拉去测。
roxyfoxy
极左极右都是大煞笔,钦此
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piranha
今年BU国际新生会剧减吧。
Ginger2015
评论值得一读. 别再骂红脖子了,号召科学防疫的白左也就这样了。
Students are INCOME. Faculty are EXPENSES. That is the financial construct that is really playing out here. Its a zero sum game.
http://www.bu.edu/articles/2020/citing-student-privacy-bu-faculty-wont-be-told-if-students-test-positive-for-covid-19/#comments
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cactus_mei
那么,对阳性学生有没有强制性的隔离措施?
ChristinaW 发表于 2020-08-25 13:36

有啊。我们学校会通知周围的老师和同学,要吗隔离14天,要吗拿个negative的result回来上课。
tiaodashen
极左极右都是大煞笔,钦此
roxyfoxy 发表于 2020-08-25 14:07

波士顿的大学,不可能是极右吧?
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cactus_mei
现在各个in person上课的学校老师和学生都保持足够距离。学生得了就不去上课了。一般也会跟老师主动说。但是学校确实不会跟老师说哪个学生得了,班里有学生得的老师也不会被contact tracing拉去测。
SillyC 发表于 2020-08-25 14:00

是不会给你说哪个人得了,但是学生和老师都是让回家(回宿舍)隔离十四天,当然你自己猜到了是另外一回事。我们系主任刚得了消息,后来去测了negative,又回来上班了。
Ginger2015
波士顿的大学,不可能是极右吧?
tiaodashen 发表于 2020-08-25 14:22

波士顿大学,可是AOC的母校啊
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cactus_mei
有些新闻切头切尾的吓人。再说一遍,学校管的很严。
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shiashia
支持。老师只需要知道有人得保护好自己就行了。不能歧视病人
bipoppy
还是上网课吧
糖小蛮
不会告诉你具体是谁,但是会告诉你有没接触过。
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cactus_mei
不会告诉你具体是谁,但是会告诉你有没接触过。
糖小蛮 发表于 2020-08-25 14:39

恩,我们也是这样说的。其实大部分老师学生都猜到了。现在大班都是网课。只有10人左右小课学校还开。
hofn
万一这学生不自觉跑来上课怎么办?
kaidan301
BU老师都炸锅了。
http://www.bu.edu/articles/2020/citing-student-privacy-bu-faculty-wont-be-told-if-students-test-positive-for-covid-19/
Ginger2015 发表于 2020-08-25 14:25

LEEN ARNAOUT AUGUST 25, 2020 AT 7:01 AM
From a scientific standpoint, I do not think that this is the right thing to do. I understand that not being in your 6-feet perimeter doesn’t make someone a “close contact” but this should not apply inside the classroom as the air circulation and ventilation systems are different and can contribute to airborne spread (especially in a classroom with the door closed, despite AC and windows being open). You can still tell professors and students and Graduate teaching fellows that they came in contact with a person who tested positive WITHOUT mentioning names or identifying details (like Princeton did last spring) without jeopardizing any person’s identity. Or is it that it would be easy to identify who is sick because they’ll be gone from class (along with many other students possibly) if they’re sick? This is so unfair to faculty and graduate TFs, and unnecessarily risks their lives and turns them into transmission devices (no matter how good our HVACs are). I recommend checking out what professors Daniel Star and Nathan Phillips have to say about why this is a very dangerous idea that risks the health of everyone at BU.
Disclaimer: these are my personal thoughts and opinions, which do not represent my employer
kaidan301
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ANONYMOUSLY UNTENURED AUGUST 25, 2020 AT 7:45 AM Morrison’s email reads like an article from The Onion. “In order to protect the health and safety of everyone in the BU community, we have decided not to disclose to faculty when their health and safety may be in danger. We acknowledge that this may disappoint some, but we feel that it will be more difficult to coerce faculty members into unsafe situations if they understand the extent and severity of the dangers they face.”
kaidan301
CAS FACULTY AUGUST 25, 2020 AT 9:06 AM This administration grows more sickeningly disingenuous by the day. I am a faculty member who has remained silent for fear of retribution by administrators. I am teaching in person in the fall, and did not try to dodge out of doing so, in the hopes that our provost would show leadership, honesty, and care for those of us who care for the education and well-being of our students (our undergraduates in particular). Our provost has willfully misconstrued a desire on the part of in-person teaching staff to be made aware of seropositivity in our classrooms so that we can be informed about the risks that we may be courting, particularly as the numbers crammed into those classrooms has creeped up over the summer (even above the 25-person state maximum, from which BU is magically exempt). No one I know has the slightest desire to know the individual identity of students who have contracted the coronavirus. But we would like to know whether our classrooms are dangerous or safe places. The fiction that six feet of distance indoors will magically protect us, like a talisman, against contracting an illness with potentially lifelong consequences, is just that, and it is increasingly being refuted by the best science about airborne transmission, now being widely reported. Kudos to Cathie Klapperich for amazing work creating a strong testing regime. She deserves all credit. But bully to our administrators who lie to us beyond the realm of plausibility and put us in harm’s way time and again. Don’t be surprised when BU’s reputation sinks to levels even more subterranean than those of the Silber years, when faculty with choices leave BU for schools which have shown greater care and transparency, and students remember how they were seduced by the promise of an in-person experience as pleasant as a root canal, as expensive as a Tesla, and as effective pedagogically as the University of Phoenix on dial-up. All I can hope at this point is that this plan unravels like the farce that it has quickly become.
kaidan301
MJ AUGUST 25, 2020 AT 9:50 AM Such a shame, and such a mistake. “If students do not feel their privacy is protected, they may be less likely to fully and honestly participate in contact tracing, putting us all at higher risk.…the ultimate goal of keeping all faculty, staff, and students as safe as possible.” As many have stated before, no one is asking for any personal details from the students that test positive, only that they know one of their students has tested positive. Or better yet, that “one of their close contacts” has tested positive – that opens the possibilities to anyone! This is what contact tracing means!! You are not worried about their privacy being protected when you contact trace the other people that they report (roommates, friends, SOs, etc) – just the faculty/TAs/etc that have no choice but to come into the classroom and teach in-person. Not telling people who have spent up to 3-4hrs in a classroom with someone who tests positive that they too might now be positive is not keeping anyone “as safe as possible.” It is finding excuses to keep this LfA model working for as long as possible. This isn’t about privacy. This is about not wanting to admit that if you do the right thing and include classes in the contact tracing, soon enough everyone will be quarantined and we will end up in a fully remote semester after all.
2020wakening
其他病情可以隐瞒,但是新冠这种严重危害公众健康的、高传染性病毒绝对不能隐瞒。有个词叫做“生化武器”,了解一下。
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vcvcvc2005
先问问自己,要是自己得了,把你的名字,家庭地址,家庭成员的信息都公布于众,你愿意吗?别说自己就永远得不了。
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fly11
是不能说的,公司里也是如此. 只是密切接触过的人,HR会通知到,让回家隔离和做检测
drchao
学生确诊阳性是隐私问题,不会告知其学校???????????
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梅干茶泡饭 发表于 2020-08-25 13:36


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YaYaTea
这次疫情没把左左们给逼疯倒是体现了他们智商和人品的下限,能不能再low一点?
facet
挺好的,我妈说我们家乡那里都广而告之,还带个有标记的手环,严重被歧视。都康复了几个月了都没人和这些人说话,令人发指的歧视。
飞袖 发表于 2020-08-25 13:44

两个极端都不好,追踪阳性患者的目的应该是保护其他大多数人同时帮助受感染者 厌恶集体主义但是感觉又离不开来自集体的利益,人毕竟是社会动物,最好的平衡该是什么呢?
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cactus_mei
MJ AUGUST 25, 2020 AT 9:50 AM Such a shame, and such a mistake. “If students do not feel their privacy is protected, they may be less likely to fully and honestly participate in contact tracing, putting us all at higher risk.…the ultimate goal of keeping all faculty, staff, and students as safe as possible.” As many have stated before, no one is asking for any personal details from the students that test positive, only that they know one of their students has tested positive. Or better yet, that “one of their close contacts” has tested positive – that opens the possibilities to anyone! This is what contact tracing means!! You are not worried about their privacy being protected when you contact trace the other people that they report (roommates, friends, SOs, etc) – just the faculty/TAs/etc that have no choice but to come into the classroom and teach in-person. Not telling people who have spent up to 3-4hrs in a classroom with someone who tests positive that they too might now be positive is not keeping anyone “as safe as possible.” It is finding excuses to keep this LfA model working for as long as possible. This isn’t about privacy. This is about not wanting to admit that if you do the right thing and include classes in the contact tracing, soon enough everyone will be quarantined and we will end up in a fully remote semester after all.
kaidan301 发表于 2020-08-25 14:53

你是在学校上班的吗?你觉得我们高校的老师都蠢的不行了,不顾自己家人,非要上班的?
RN1
BU还是做得很好的。学生一报到就做第一次test, 要在10天连续做3次,还要自己在宿舍隔离14天。校区里可以说人们都带着口罩。学校专门腾出了一个宿舍楼隔离阳性学生。
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maidouzhu
希望positive的同学,多去做这个决定的人的办公室多坐坐,聊聊天,感谢感谢。
RN1
我工作单位如果有人阳性,公司会发email给那些与阳性人员有密切接触的人,让他们去做检查,但不会告知阳性者的姓名。
rureal
HIV携带也是隐私,don’t ask don’t talk, 各位却一点意见都没有。
rureal
其他病情可以隐瞒,但是新冠这种严重危害公众健康的、高传染性病毒绝对不能隐瞒。有个词叫做“生化武器”,了解一下。
2020wakening 发表于 2020-08-25 14:54

党同意你把他们制造的新冠病毒抹黑成“生化武器”了嘛?
purplebasil
先问问自己,要是自己得了,把你的名字,家庭地址,家庭成员的信息都公布于众,你愿意吗?别说自己就永远得不了。
vcvcvc2005 发表于 2020-08-25 15:16

貌似大家只是想知道自己班上有没有人得病,而不是谁得了病
rosesavels
HIV携带也是隐私,don’t ask don’t talk, 各位却一点意见都没有。
rureal 发表于 2020-08-26 09:12

一个是体液传播疾病一个是空气传播疾病,放在一起讲不合适吧。
purplebasil
HIV携带也是隐私,don’t ask don’t talk, 各位却一点意见都没有。
rureal 发表于 2020-08-26 09:12

传染性不一样啊,HIV什么时候半年不到就在全美感染500万人?
huahuachouchou
我们学校规定学生上课必须按照座位表坐,不能自己随便坐,就是为了发现有阳性后能迅速找到周围其他的学生
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zoooo
大家要逐渐适应接受 这就是big flu 的事实。。。
rureal
传染性不一样啊,HIV什么时候半年不到就在全美感染500万人?
purplebasil 发表于 2020-08-26 09:27

严重性也不一样啊?而且谁要跟谁有体液交换的时候一样没有HIV是否阳性知情权不是?
新冠如果人人去测一遍很大百分比都有,绝大部分根本没啥症状,却要因此被广而告之,也不合适吧。
rureal
大家要逐渐适应接受 这就是big flu 的事实。。。
zoooo 发表于 2020-08-26 10:29

BIG都算不上,FLU的症状严重多了。 当然也可能是因为FLU没有这样的普查,所以不了解无症状或轻微症状携带的情况。


Angela1256
我们学校也是这样,并且强制老师学生每周一测,今早去测了,长长的队,一上午白费了,我是真不想去测
Cumberbitch
我工作单位如果有人阳性,公司会发email给那些与阳性人员有密切接触的人,让他们去做检查,但不会告知阳性者的姓名。
RN1 发表于 2020-08-26 08:56

谁来负责 decide 你们有没有密切接触? 你们前后脚排队打饭,公司里谁负责记录每天每个人排队的顺序吗?