Feds say Yale discriminates against Asian, white applicants

默雨润苗
楼主 (北美华人网)
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 A Justice Department investigation has found Yale University is illegally discriminating against Asian American and white applicants, in violation of federal civil rights law, officials said Thursday.
Yale denied the allegation, calling it “meritless” and “hasty.”
The findings detailed in a letter to the college’s attorneys Thursday mark the latest action by the Trump administration aimed at rooting out discrimination in the college application process, following complaints from students about the application process at some Ivy League colleges. The Justice Department had previously filed court papers siding with Asian American groups who had levied similar allegations against Harvard University.
The two-year investigation concluded that Yale “rejects scores of Asian American and white applicants each year based on their race, whom it otherwise would admit,” the Justice Department said. The investigation stemmed from a 2016 complaint against Yale, Brown and Dartmouth.
“Yale’s race discrimination imposes undue and unlawful penalties on racially-disfavored applicants, including in particular Asian American and White applicants,” Assistant Attorney General Eric Dreiband, who heads the department’s civil rights division, wrote in a letter to the college’s attorneys.
Prosecutors found that Yale has been discriminating against applicants to its undergraduate program based on their race and national origin and “that race is the determinative factor in hundreds of admissions decisions each year.” The investigation concluded that Asian American and white students have “only one-tenth to one-fourth of the likelihood of admission as African American applicants with comparable academic credentials,” the Justice Department said.
“Unlawfully dividing Americans into racial and ethnic blocs fosters stereotypes, bitterness, and division,” Dreiband said in a statement. “It is past time for American institutions to recognize that all people should be treated with decency and respect and without unlawful regard to the color of their skin.”
The investigation also found that Yale uses race as a factor in multiple steps of the admissions process and that Yale “racially balances its classes.”
The Supreme Court has ruled colleges and universities may consider race in admissions decisions but has said that must be done in a narrowly tailored way to promote diversity and should be limited in time. Schools also bear the burden of showing why their consideration of race is appropriate.
In a statement, Yale said it “categorically denies this allegation,” has cooperated fully with the investigation and has been continually turning over “a substantial amount of information and data.”
“Given our commitment to complying with federal law, we are dismayed that the DOJ has made its determination before allowing Yale to provide all the information the Department has requested thus far,” the university said in a statement. “Had the Department fully received and fairly weighed this information, it would have concluded that Yale’s practices absolutely comply with decades of Supreme Court precedent.”
The university said it considers a multitude of factors and looks at “the whole person when selecting whom to admit among the many thousands of highly qualified applicants.”
“We are proud of Yale’s admissions practices, and we will not change them on the basis of such a meritless, hasty accusation,” the statement said.
The Justice Department has demanded that Yale immediately stop and agree not to use race or national origin for upcoming admissions. The government also says that if Yale proposes that it will continue to use race or national origin as a factor in future admission cycles, the college must first submit a plan to the Justice Department “demonstrating its proposal is narrowly tailored as required by law, including by identifying a date for the end of race discrimination.”
The Justice Department has also previously raised similar concerns about Harvard University, which prosecutors accused of “engaging in outright racial balancing,” siding with Asian American students in a lawsuit who allege the Ivy League school discriminated against them.
A federal judge in 2019 cleared Harvard of discriminating against Asian American applicants in a ruling that was seen as a major victory for supporters of affirmative action in college admissions across the U.S. That ruling has been appealed and arguments are scheduled for next month.
In the Harvard case, the Justice Department had argued that the university went too far in its use of race, but the judge disagreed. Though the Supreme Court has ruled that colleges’ use of race in admissions must be “narrowly tailored” and can be only a “plus factor,” past rulings still give colleges wide latitude in considering a wide range of factors, including race, as they build their classes.
花花痴
Lol干的漂亮
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Cherrychocolate
看出 保守派法官的必要性了吧!👍一个!
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bluecrab
这个不知道对现在加州的反Pro16有没有帮助,感觉高院留的空间narrowly tailored和factor plus还是有点模糊。
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jiang_zeng
change从上往下来容易,草根们打十年官司不如选个trump
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yi_not
The findings detailed in a letter to the college’s attorneys Thursday mark the latest action by the Trump administration. 希望trump可以提名更多的保守派大法官
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marnifan
那你说说谁提名的法官,他都干过什么?
超版
好好的新闻,请友善讨论。
任何扩大至政党攻击,群体攻击等,都会被处理,也会导致新闻被移除。谢谢!
默雨润苗
The findings detailed in a letter to the college’s attorneys Thursday mark the latest action by the Trump administration. 希望trump可以提名更多的保守派大法官
yi_not 发表于 2020-08-13 17:27

Trump administration也支持哈佛案子上诉
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Tigeressbaby
没人敢说话了
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seerena
对亚裔利好啊。。。
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harmaline
关键是藤校用现在的标准招进去的亚裔及白人学生,将来培养出来的也都是一帮自恨的activist. 回头来反而做出种种选择损害自己的族群。还有更多的小孩及其父母,为了挤进藤校,拼命给自己洗脑,向藤校的招生标准靠拢。到时候人没进藤校,但已经有了藤校生的mindset, 眼高手低,最后害了自己。
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lelexavier
支持川普,trump 2020!!!maga
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tiaodashen
这个奴隶贩子学校是应该被告
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page394
不该也行,承认就行。 回头说起来黑人近藤校靠的是Aa,又说这种言论是种族歧视! 原来这种族歧视的事情只许他们做,不许我们说。是有多精分。
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nj_guy
只有Trump的政府才会真正支持亚裔的利益,而不是象猪党。
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laixiaofang
看出 保守派法官的必要性了吧!👍一个!
Cherrychocolate 发表于 2020-08-13 17:19

这和法官有关系吗? 这不是司法部的调查结论吗?耶鲁不服上诉,如果法官判定耶鲁败诉,那才可以说保守法官什么的吧?

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zvents
MAGA2020!
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Cumberbitch
这。。。。还用说吗
不是都明说了 AA 吗,AA 的本质不就是 affirmative 吗,如果看 comparable academic achievement 还有什么 affirmative 可言,这有什么可不承认的。。。。。
Yale 想说自己又comparable又affirmative 吗?
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congcong8565
wait. 这是不是说明AA要是在加州通过了,我们也可以告加州政府?
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airb
看出 保守派法官的必要性了吧!👍一个!
Cherrychocolate 发表于 2020-08-13 17:19

这刚刚司法部调查,还没打官司没上法院呢。跟法官有个毛关系?
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cindy2012
总算有脑子清醒的了
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cindy2012
wait. 这是不是说明AA要是在加州通过了,我们也可以告加州政府?
congcong8565 发表于 2020-08-13 19:15

Why not?
不就是whine吗?豁出脸皮谁都会干
美国现在这状态就是爱哭的孩子有奶吃
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laixiaofang
这刚刚司法部调查,还没打官司没上法院呢。跟法官有个毛关系?
airb 发表于 2020-08-13 19:19

就是啊,真是莫名其妙,不知道前面38个给那个人点赞的看没看新闻。 还是真看不懂英文?
有控评的,真不是空穴来风。
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superdog97
亚裔得选共和党,民主党就是勤劳亚裔的天敌
半杯红酒
终于有人出头说话了。
狂奔的面包
就是啊,真是莫名其妙,不知道前面38个给那个人点赞的看没看新闻。 还是真看不懂英文?
有控评的,真不是空穴来风。
laixiaofang 发表于 2020-08-13 19:25

版主,这有人群体攻击
默雨润苗
这刚刚司法部调查,还没打官司没上法院呢。跟法官有个毛关系?
airb 发表于 2020-08-13 19:19

法官当然很重要,别忘了判哈佛案的法官是谁提名的
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fufusix
现在看出点什么来了吧。。。。哈哈,还那么多给她点赞的,都是连最基本的英文都读不懂的。
ainana 发表于 2020-08-13 19:50

I didn't see any problem. It's a great great news to Asian students.
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Tigeressbaby
这刚刚司法部调查,还没打官司没上法院呢。跟法官有个毛关系?
airb 发表于 2020-08-13 19:19

关系太大了。没有保守派法官坐镇,耶鲁根本不用把DOJ的结论放眼里
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Cherrychocolate
这刚刚司法部调查,还没打官司没上法院呢。跟法官有个毛关系?
airb 发表于 2020-08-13 19:19

这不是废话吗?官司打到高院了,保守派法官的比例当然重要了,所以,你的point是?
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Wangshaohuashouerhui
关系太大了。没有保守派法官坐镇,耶鲁根本不用把DOJ的结论放眼里
Tigeressbaby 发表于 2020-08-13 19:57

就别往回找了,那个人明明就是没读明白咋回事。。。。。

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Tigeressbaby
这不是废话吗?官司打到高院了,保守派法官的比例当然重要了,所以,你的point是?
Cherrychocolate 发表于 2020-08-13 19:59

可惜这是事实
默雨润苗
现在看出点什么来了吧。。。。哈哈,还那么多给她点赞的,都是连最基本的英文都读不懂的。
ainana 发表于 2020-08-13 19:50

你才是可笑的那个吧,少在这秀什么优越感,这对华人绝对是好事,你别spin不过来开始攻击别人
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amd06
change从上往下来容易,草根们打十年官司不如选个trump
jiang_zeng 发表于 2020-08-13 17:24

太好了,强烈支持! 希望这次 DOJ 能多曝光这些虚伪的左左,还给亚裔一个公平的环境!
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longbows
普大喜奔!!!
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jhxrc
关键是藤校用现在的标准招进去的亚裔及白人学生,将来培养出来的也都是一帮自恨的activist. 回头来反而做出种种选择损害自己的族群。还有更多的小孩及其父母,为了挤进藤校,拼命给自己洗脑,向藤校的招生标准靠拢。到时候人没进藤校,但已经有了藤校生的mindset, 眼高手低,最后害了自己。
harmaline 发表于 2020-08-13 18:19

ivy招生标准的确很扑朔迷离,但是那些进步黄左和白左不是招生标准的锅,而是美国教育本身出了问题。 师资严重失调是最根本的原因,保守派教师不到10%,45%+的温和派,45%的激进派。而这些毕业生里一部分,再回到ivy做教育工作,继续影响下一批学生。 因为师资原因,教育理念也变了。高等教育是什么,为什么,本来应该是众说纷纭的话题,而现在要统一思想,一切服从政治正确。稍不同意,就会被清理出去,前些日子的种种例子就是佐证。 最后就是政治影响,公权力本来和非盈利组织是泾渭分明的,现在,高校变得越来越政治化,公权力也不断利用高校。老师不是instructing,而是indoctrinating。学生不是informed,而是influenced。 一言以蔽之,诸神黄昏不远。
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jiang_zeng
ivy招生标准的确很扑朔迷离,但是那些进步黄左和白左不是招生标准的锅,而是美国教育本身出了问题。 师资严重失调是最根本的原因,保守派教师不到10%,45%+的温和派,45%的激进派。而这些毕业生里一部分,再回到ivy做教育工作,继续影响下一批学生。 因为师资原因,教育理念也变了。高等教育是什么,为什么,本来应该是众说纷纭的话题,而现在要统一思想,一切服从政治正确。稍不同意,就会被清理出去,前些日子的种种例子就是佐证。 最后就是政治影响,公权力本来和非盈利组织是泾渭分明的,现在,高校变得越来越政治化,公权力也不断利用高校。老师不是instructing,而是indoctrinating。学生不是informed,而是influenced。 一言以蔽之,诸神黄昏不远。
jhxrc 发表于 2020-08-13 20:26

Obama那八年搞的,克林顿小布什的时候都可以随便聊,左右碰撞辩论,大学里百花齐放,然后Obama要把所有孩子送去上大学,给他们贷款,挺好的想法,但是大部分上工科毕不了业就去学社科,造成了十年来的社会学科扩大招生,大学扩招学生教授往社科里塞,社会学科研究啥是哪个派的就不用多说了,trump一上台,击鼓传花音乐停了,弊端就显出来了。 简而言之:和学问无关,都是为了钱和权。
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springsmile66


现在司法部还没有告yale,但已经警告他们了,让他们20-21招生注意。如果还犯估计要告他们了。
司法部总算说实话了,亚裔和白人在大学招生中受到了歧视。有希望了。
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lovery
Obama那八年搞的,克林顿小布什的时候都可以随便聊,左右碰撞辩论,大学里百花齐放,然后Obama要把所有孩子送去上大学,给他们贷款,挺好的想法,但是大部分上工科毕不了业就去学社科,造成了十年来的社会学科扩大招生,大学扩招学生教授往社科里塞,社会学科研究啥是哪个派的就不用多说了,trump一上台,击鼓传花音乐停了,弊端就显出来了。 简而言之:和学问无关,都是为了钱和权。
jiang_zeng 发表于 2020-08-13 21:07

这次新冠估计一小撮学校会倒闭,裁员会更多。其实是好事。好像野火烧一遍,重新长出来的植物都是生机盎然。
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cofi
回复 1楼默雨润苗的帖子
The investigation concluded that Asian American and white students have “only one-tenth to one-fourth of the likelihood of admission as African American applicants with comparable academic credentials
只有AA机会的 1/10 - 1/4 ,不用问亚裔肯定是靠1/10这边的呀
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arabdopsis
支持一下保守派法官
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blanch23
这和法官有关系吗? 这不是司法部的调查结论吗?耶鲁不服上诉,如果法官判定耶鲁败诉,那才可以说保守法官什么的吧?


laixiaofang 发表于 2020-08-13 19:04

所以DOJ的很重要,如果是民主党的政府恐怕这个报告都看不到了!
华人马甲
那个哈佛案子是这个法官判的。大家看看wiki就知道她是哪边的了吧 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allison_Dale_Burroughs
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yoda01
那个哈佛案子是这个法官判的。大家看看wiki就知道她是哪边的了吧 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allison_Dale_Burroughs
华人马甲 发表于 2020-08-13 23:21

看上去像是个左派法官
这些人也真是的,若都从自己的感觉好恶来判,那要法律干什么
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jsq
wait. 这是不是说明AA要是在加州通过了,我们也可以告加州政府?
congcong8565 发表于 2020-08-13 19:15

当然,即使bill全票通过也可以告它违宪。
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jsq
就是啊,真是莫名其妙,不知道前面38个给那个人点赞的看没看新闻。 还是真看不懂英文?
有控评的,真不是空穴来风。
laixiaofang 发表于 2020-08-13 19:25

里面提到哈佛的案子被法官否了,不需要猜都知道是个支持AA的liberal法官,现在要上诉法官立场当然重要
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gem
Obama那八年搞的,克林顿小布什的时候都可以随便聊,左右碰撞辩论,大学里百花齐放,然后Obama要把所有孩子送去上大学,给他们贷款,挺好的想法,但是大部分上工科毕不了业就去学社科,造成了十年来的社会学科扩大招生,大学扩招学生教授往社科里塞,社会学科研究啥是哪个派的就不用多说了,trump一上台,击鼓传花音乐停了,弊端就显出来了。 简而言之:和学问无关,都是为了钱和权。
jiang_zeng 发表于 2020-08-13 21:07

强re!
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amd06
看出 保守派法官的必要性了吧!👍一个!
Cherrychocolate 发表于 2020-08-13 17:19

对,支持按法律条文来判案的法官
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crainny
这刚刚司法部调查,还没打官司没上法院呢。跟法官有个毛关系?
airb 发表于 2020-08-13 19:19

我们都知道,你这种ccp支持者,一般也都是支持aa的
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miameow
天呐!!!终于看到这一天了!!!!睫毛有点湿....
trump 2020 ! 金老太肯定撑不过下面四年,可以再提名一个保守派法官。
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teddysan
跟我一天生日的,感慨一下…
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nv_nv
赞!必须选trump! trump这届政府在几年内纠正了多少不正之风!这种事情民主党当政根本不可能发生。
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fufusix
trump 2020 ! 金老太肯定撑不过下面四年,可以再提名一个保守派法官。
电 发表于 2020-08-14 01:55

别低估人的底线。 Senator Kamala Harris has said that she is “open” to increasing the number of justices on the Supreme Court, in order to reverse the conservative majority (as she sees it) and pave the way for the progressive agenda.
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fufusix
赞!必须选trump! trump这届政府在几年内纠正了多少不正之风!这种事情民主党当政根本不可能发生。
nv_nv 发表于 2020-08-14 08:20

Harris 已经在说她会增加大法官人数了。
常然
In his letter to Yale, Assistant Attorney General Eric Dreiband puts it this way: “Asian American and White applicants have only one-tenth to one-fourth of the likelihood of admission as African American applicants with comparable academic credentials.” In his press release he added: “There is no such thing as a nice form of race discrimination.”
--- 所以这一次是因为和白人放在一起argue才赢的吗?去年harvard的case是因为没有吗?有同学了解细节吗??
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fufusix
In his letter to Yale, Assistant Attorney General Eric Dreiband puts it this way: “Asian American and White applicants have only one-tenth to one-fourth of the likelihood of admission as African American applicants with comparable academic credentials.” In his press release he added: “There is no such thing as a nice form of race discrimination.”
--- 所以这一次是因为和白人放在一起argue才赢的吗?去年harvard的case是因为没有吗?有同学了解细节吗??
常然 发表于 2020-08-14 08:24

因为白人也一直在告 AA歧视,光打到最高法院的官司就有好几起了。
常然
因为白人也一直在告 AA歧视,光打到最高法院的官司就有好几起了。
fufusix 发表于 2020-08-14 08:26

但是这次的case还是因为asian american group弄起来的,所以我猜想是这次联合了白人?或者是用了他们的数据一起?
上次harvard我没有仔细读。。。不知道是不是类死的argeument, 至少我读过的,上次harvard好象没有提到白人同样遭受不公问题
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fufusix
但是这次的case还是因为asian american group弄起来的,所以我猜想是这次联合了白人?或者是用了他们的数据一起?
上次harvard我没有仔细读。。。不知道是不是类死的argeument, 至少我读过的,上次harvard好象没有提到白人同样遭受不公问题
常然 发表于 2020-08-14 08:30

很久以前60 分钟的报道. 现在的政治大气候下, 媒体已经不可能公正报道AA了。RIP, 老一代的媒体人。We miss you so much!
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常然
很久以前60 分钟的报道. 现在的政治大气候下, 媒体已经不可能公正报道AA了。RIP, 老一代的媒体人。
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fufusix 发表于 2020-08-14 09:15

Thanks so... much for sharing. I wish more of us will watch this.
花花痴
别低估人的底线。 Senator Kamala Harris has said that she is “open” to increasing the number of justices on the Supreme Court, in order to reverse the conservative majority (as she sees it) and pave the way for the progressive agenda. This position and the implied threat behind it deserve a lot more attention than they’ve gotten.
fufusix 发表于 2020-08-14 08:23

牛 服了
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amd06
赞!必须选trump! trump这届政府在几年内纠正了多少不正之风!这种事情民主党当政根本不可能发生。
nv_nv 发表于 2020-08-14 08:20

很多奥巴马时期遗留的烂事需要修正,希望川普政府再接再厉
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springsmile66
In his letter to Yale, Assistant Attorney General Eric Dreiband puts it this way: “Asian American and White applicants have only one-tenth to one-fourth of the likelihood of admission as African American applicants with comparable academic credentials.” In his press release he added: “There is no such thing as a nice form of race discrimination.”
--- 所以这一次是因为和白人放在一起argue才赢的吗?去年harvard的case是因为没有吗?有同学了解细节吗??
常然 发表于 2020-08-14 08:24



事实就是亚裔和白人都被歧视了,从数据看,亚裔被歧视最厉害。提出所有被歧视的族裔没什么问题。
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gem
很久以前60 分钟的报道. 现在的政治大气候下, 媒体已经不可能公正报道AA了。RIP, 老一代的媒体人。We miss you so much!
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fufusix 发表于 2020-08-14 09:15

谢分享,支持方反对方都有说话的机会,都很理性,这才是最重要的。现在这环境,根本不准说话了。
颜即是正义
不知道执行起来会怎样
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pdrguide02
就是啊,真是莫名其妙,不知道前面38个给那个人点赞的看没看新闻。 还是真看不懂英文?
有控评的,真不是空穴来风。
laixiaofang 发表于 2020-08-13 19:25

在这个不准正常人发声的大环境下,有这样的舆论就相当不错了,至少给那些极左的学校敲个警钟,他们会少一点肆无忌惮
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ain1mes
进来看看大家的反应和对反应的踩和赞,这样对华人网的用户群有个正确认识
默雨润苗
很久以前60 分钟的报道. 现在的政治大气候下, 媒体已经不可能公正报道AA了。RIP, 老一代的媒体人。We miss you so much!
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fufusix 发表于 2020-08-14 09:15

谢谢分享,现在的媒体根本不会去调查和报道这种现象,不光无视还会去帮着cover up
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yoda01
change从上往下来容易,草根们打十年官司不如选个trump
jiang_zeng 发表于 2020-08-13 17:24

好消息,看到了反 AA 的进展,赞
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safari
很久以前60 分钟的报道. 现在的政治大气候下, 媒体已经不可能公正报道AA了。RIP, 老一代的媒体人。We miss you so much!
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fufusix 发表于 2020-08-14 09:15

Thanks for sharing! 那个年代有能说敢说的人,而且正方反方都可以说。