美联储真的不要脸啊 连junk bond都不放过

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hellokitty88
楼主 (北美华人网)
股市现在价格还这么高,它真的是不准股市跌。。。以前还以为它有一点点独立性,完全是trump的跟班啊。
这些公司,有现金的时候就buy back。要破产的时候 就让全美国人买单了。

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/investing/fed-junk-bonds-etfs-debt/index.html

New York (CNN Business)The Federal Reserve unfroze the corporate credit markets -- without even firing a shot.
On March 23, the Fed dramatically stepped upits efforts to prevent a coronavirus depression by promising to set up a first-ever special entity to buy corporate bonds and ETFs. The US central bank later added junk bonds and junk bond ETFs to the list of assets that would get scooped up.
That promise had a profound impact -- even though the US central bank has not yet directed the purchase of a single corporate bond.
The Fed's words alone helped restore Corporate America's access to borrowing markets. Even troubled companies slammed the pandemic such as Carnival, Boeing and Ford were able to borrow vast sums of money.

And it's no coincidence that the historic collapse in the US stock market ended that day too. The S&P 500 spiked as much as 31% above its March 23 low. Even after a recent pullback, the index is up 25% over that span.
"Central banks are sometimes as effective in their words as they are with actual action," said Peter Boockvar, chief investment officer at Bleakley Advisory Group.
Launching in early May
Action is coming soon, though. The New York Fed, which is quarterbacking the Fed's bond-buying programs, announced Monday that the Secondary Market Corporate Credit Facilities (SMCCF) is expected to begin buying corporate bond ETFs in early May. Corporate bond purchases will come "soon thereafter." And a separate Fed facility, the Primary Market Corporate Credit Facility (PMCCF), is also expected to launch soon.
But the Fed has not actually begun to buy bonds yet, despite the dramatic impact on markets.
In a tweet on Friday, billionaire investor Jeffrey Gundlach called it "the most effective jawboning success in Fed history."
The goal of the programs, according to the Fed, is to make sure large employers have access to the credit they need to ride out this unprecedented storm.
"The availability of credit has contracted for corporations and other issuers of debt while, at the same time, the disruptions to economic activity have heightened the need for companies to obtain financing," the Fed said in an FAQ online.
To participate in the Fed program, businesses must have been created or organized in the United States or under US law and have a majority of their employees in the United States.
However, there is no requirementfor companies that take advantage of the Fed's bond-buying program to keep workers. Nor are these companies required to suspend stock buybacks or dividends.
Fallen angels are welcome
The Fed originally said participants in the corporate bond-buying facility must have at least a BBB credit rating as of March 22. That's the lowest rung of investment grade.
However, it later opened the program to "fallen angels," which are investment-grade companies that have recently been dropped into junk territory. There were $101 billion worth of downgrades into junk territory during the first quarter, according to Fitch Ratings. Prominent fallen angels included Ford, Kraft Heinz (KHC) and Occidental Petroleum (OXY).
Not all junk-rated companies can participate. Firms must be rated at least BB- at the date of the

Critics argue the Fed is overstepping its mandate by purchasing corporate bonds -- a step it never took during the 2008 financial crisis.
Gundlach said the Fed is using a "shell company set up to circumvent" the Federal Reserve Act, which created the US central bank.
The Federal Reserve Act prohibits the Fed from buying corporate assets. To get around that problem, the Fed is setting up a special purpose vehicle managed by BlackRock (BLK) to do the buying. The central bank cited "unusual and exigent circumstances" that authorizes the Fed under Section 13-3 of the Federal Reserve Act to conduct "broad-based" lending facilities.
Still, the Fed will be the one calling the shots. The Fed website said BlackRock will be "acting at the sole direction of the New York Fed on behalf of the facilities."
"It's terrible what they are doing. The Fed did a complete runaround the Federal Reserve Act," said Boockvar, the Bleakley Advisory Group CIO.
Carnival, Boeing raise billions
No matter the legal debate, there is no question the corporate credit markets flung wide open after the Fed's March 23 announcement.
For example, Carnival (CCL) was so desperate for cash in March that it reportedly considered a high-interest loanfrom hedge funds and other distressed debt investors. But after the Fed's intervention, Carnival was able to raise nearly $6 billion through the bond market -- at a much better rate than what it would have gotten from the hedge funds.
Likewise, Ford (F) sold a record-setting $8 billion junk bond in mid-April, just weeks after it was downgraded to junk territory.
Even Boeing (BA) raised enough money to avoid needing to take the bailout it had previously requested. Boeing announced last week it had raised $25 billion through a bond offering, preventing it from tapping funding set aside in the stimulus package. That's despite the fact that S&P Global Ratings haddowngraded Boeing's debtto the lowest level since 1981 -- and the last rung before entering junk territory.
Difficult to unwind
Beyond the legal questions, some fear the Fed's emergency steps will set a dangerous precedent that could be hard to undo when the crisis is over.
"The problem with Fed involvement is it becomes a slippery slope," said Boockvar. "They get more and more involved with more and more debt. Then you run into a recession and everyone is worried about the debt."
Consider what happened with quantitative easing, the Fed's 2008-era experiment with buying US Treasuries and mortgage securities. The purchases inflated the Fed's balance sheet to $4.5 trillion by 2014, compared with just $900 billion in 2007.
The Fed was never able to significantly shrink that balance sheet without rattling markets. And then the coronavirus pandemic struck. Now, the Fed's balance sheet has climbed to arecord $6.7 trillion and analysts expect it will soon climb to $10 trillion.
"It's just this perpetual cycle that we can't seem to get off," said Boockvar.
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heighly
……....
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tf2k
还好了,这个对生活的影响要很久才看得出来。而且从来FED没有改变过历史潮流,M2/M3增加或消失的速度比FED收钱/印钱快得多。
我是马甲
这论坛真是奇怪,关系到切身利益的没人讨论跟帖,各种垃圾言论动不动几十楼……
heighly 发表于 5/4/2020 11:43:46 PM

因为大多数人有股票,没有股票也会有401K,所以不觉得不让股票跌有什么不好。。。
只有持币待购或者刚卖到地板上的才暗搓搓希望股价早点崩,没错我是其中一个。。。
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chromium
没办法的,fed独立性也失去了,垃圾债券在买,会产生一堆zombie
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majia666
回复 1楼hellokitty88的帖子 洪水滔天, 跳啊!
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majia666

因为大多数人有股票,没有股票也会有401K,所以不觉得不让股票跌有什么不好。。。
只有持币待购或者刚卖到地板上的才暗搓搓希望股价早点崩,没错我是其中一个。。。

我是马甲 发表于 5/4/2020 11:46:29 PM


正是由于这种人的存在(很健康的存在), 股市才磨磨唧唧地涨。
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crystal007
所以巴菲特价值投资都不灵了,股市变成了一个庞氏骗局加大赌场
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crystal007
如果最终美元信用地位失去,美债崩盘,他们就是美国的罪人。老祖宗两百年的信用给毁了
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cannie
主要是国家的钱亏给了垃圾公司, 在国会听证上,怎么解释啊?
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cannie
没办法的,fed独立性也失去了,垃圾债券在买,会产生一堆zombie
chromium 发表于 5/4/2020 11:47:20 PM


市场机制失灵,资本就没有办法去效率最高的地方了。 还有什么制度优越性可言了。
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hulaquan
虽然不懂,但是我觉得联储局的人比你我都内行。你看到的,他肯定看得到。你看不到的,他也看得到。
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EEswine

因为大多数人有股票,没有股票也会有401K,所以不觉得不让股票跌有什么不好。。。
只有持币待购或者刚卖到地板上的才暗搓搓希望股价早点崩,没错我是其中一个。。。

我是马甲 发表于 5/4/2020 11:46:29 PM


股市不是不可以跌,不过因为这次疫情崩盘,对于就业市场雪上加霜,对于美国社会是不公平的。

另外,do not fight Fed.
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cannie


股市不是不可以跌,不过因为这次疫情崩盘,对于就业市场雪上加霜,对于美国社会是不公平的。

另外,do not fight Fed.

EEswine 发表于 5/4/2020 11:54:47 PM


长期是这样, 短期并不是。 巴菲特说的很明确了, 中长期没事, 短期做好了亏掉50%的准备。
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wendy73


长期是这样, 短期并不是。 巴菲特说的很明确了, 中长期没事, 短期做好了亏掉50%的准备。

cannie 发表于 5/4/2020 11:59:21 PM

巴菲特不是神,他以前有判断错误的地方,以后也会有。短期亏掉50%这个就算有,那么多美国人的401k还是能涨回去一些的。
就算银行投资,也有买石油和买股票的比例,不是完全和股票没有关系的。
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cannie

巴菲特不是神,他以前有判断错误的地方,以后也会有。短期亏掉50%这个就算有,那么多美国人的401k还是能涨回去一些的。
就算银行投资,也有买石油和买股票的比例,不是完全和股票没有关系的。

wendy73 发表于 5/5/2020 12:04:26 AM


每次市场群嘲股神的时候, 最后都是自己在裸泳。 当然每次都可以说, this time is different
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Fin_help
没什么,跟很多国家一样,上面让撒钱,只能撒,独立性,呵呵呵
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Fin_help
只要泡泡不破,大家都开心