回复 1楼yainju的帖子https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/202x/2020/04/29/Leaving-Amazon May 1st was my last day as a VP and Distinguished Engineer at Amazon Web Services, after five years and five months of rewarding fun. I quit in dismay at Amazon firing whistleblowers who were making noise about warehouse employees frightened of Covid-19. What with big-tech salaries and share vestings, this will probably cost me over a million (pre-tax) dollars, not to mention the best job I’ve ever had, working with awfully good people. So I’m pretty blue. What happened · Last year, Amazonians on the tech side banded together as Amazon Employees for Climate Justice (AECJ), first coming to the world’s notice with an open letter promoting a shareholders’ resolution calling for dramatic action and leadership from Amazon on the global climate emergency. I was one of its 8,702 signatories. ¶ While the resolution got a lot of votes, it didn’t pass. Four months later, 3,000 Amazon tech workers from around the world joined in the Global Climate Strike walkout. The day before the walkout, Amazon announced a large-scale plan aimed at making the company part of the climate-crisis solution. It’s not as though the activists were acknowledged by their employer for being forward-thinking; in fact, leaders were threatened with dismissal. Fast-forward to the Covid-19 era. Stories surfaced of unrest in Amazon warehouses, workers raising alarms about being uninformed, unprotected, and frightened. Official statements claimed every possible safety precaution was being taken. Then a worker organizing for better safety conditions was fired, and brutally insensitive remarks appeared in leaked executive meeting notes where the focus was on defending Amazon “talking points”. Warehouse workers reached out to AECJ for support. They responded by internally promoting a petition and organizing a video call for Thursday April 16 featuring warehouse workers from around the world, with guest activist Naomi Klein. An announcement sent to internal mailing lists on Friday April 10th was apparently the flashpoint. Emily Cunningham and Maren Costa, two visible AECJ leaders, were fired on the spot that day. The justifications were laughable; it was clear to any reasonable observer that they were turfed for whistleblowing. Management could have objected to the event, or demanded that outsiders be excluded, or that leadership be represented, or any number of other things; there was plenty of time. Instead, they just fired the activists. Snap! · At that point I snapped. VPs shouldn’t go publicly rogue, so I escalated through the proper channels and by the book. I’m not at liberty to disclose those discussions, but I made many of the arguments appearing in this essay. I think I made them to the appropriate people. ¶ That done, remaining an Amazon VP would have meant, in effect, signing off on actions I despised. So I resigned. The victims weren’t abstract entities but real people; here are some of their names: Courtney Bowden, Gerald Bryson, Maren Costa, Emily Cunningham, Bashir Mohammed, and Chris Smalls. I’m sure it’s a coincidence that every one of them is a person of color, a woman, or both. Right? Let’s give one of those names a voice. Bashir Mohamed said “They fired me to make others scared.” Do you disagree? Adjectives · Here are some descriptive phrases you might use to describe the activist-firing. ¶ “Chickenshit.” “Kill the messenger.” “Never heard of the Streisand effect.” “Designed to create a climate of fear.” “Like painting a sign on your forehead saying ‘Either guilty, or has something to hide.’” Which do you like? What about the warehouses? · It’s a matter of fact that workers are saying they’re at risk in the warehouses. I don’t think the media’s done a terribly good job of telling their stories. I went to the video chat that got Maren and Emily fired, and found listening to them moving. You can listen too if you’d like. Up on YouTube is another full-day videochat; it’s nine hours long, but there’s a table of contents, you can decide whether you want to hear people from Poland, Germany, France, or multiple places in the USA. Here’s more reportage from the NY Times. ¶ It’s not just workers who are upset. Here are Attorneys-general from 14 states speaking out. Here’s the New York State Attorney-general with more detailed complaints. Here’s Amazon losing in French courts, twice. On the other hand, Amazon’s messaging has been urgent that they are prioritizing this issue and putting massive efforts into warehouse safety. I actually believe this: I have heard detailed descriptions from people I trust of the intense work and huge investments. Good for them; and let’s grant that you don’t turn a supertanker on a dime. But I believe the worker testimony too. And at the end of the day, the big problem isn’t the specifics of Covid-19 response. It’s that Amazon treats the humans in the warehouses as fungible units of pick-and-pack potential. Only that’s not just Amazon, it’s how 21st-century capitalism is done. Amazon is exceptionally well-managed and has demonstrated great skill at spotting opportunities and building repeatable processes for exploiting them. It has a corresponding lack of vision about the human costs of the relentless growth and accumulation of wealth and power. If we don’t like certain things Amazon is doing, we need to put legal guardrails in place to stop those things. We don’t need to invent anything new; a combination of antitrust and living-wage and worker-empowerment legislation, rigorously enforced, offers a clear path forward. Don’t say it can’t be done, because France is doing it. Poison · Firing whistleblowers isn’t just a side-effect of macroeconomic forces, nor is it intrinsic to the function of free markets. It’s evidence of a vein of toxicity running through the company culture. I choose neither to serve nor drink that poison. ¶ What about AWS? · Amazon Web Services (the “Cloud Computing” arm of the company), where I worked, is a different story. It treats its workers humanely, strives for work/life balance, struggles to move the diversity needle (and mostly fails, but so does everyone else), and is by and large an ethical organization. I genuinely admire its leadership. ¶ Of course, its workers have power. The average pay is very high, and anyone who’s unhappy can walk across the street and get another job paying the same or better. Spot a pattern? · At the end of the day, it’s all about power balances. The warehouse workers are weak and getting weaker, what with mass unemployment and (in the US) job-linked health insurance. So they’re gonna get treated like crap, because capitalism. Any plausible solution has to start with increasing their collective strength. ¶ What’s next? · For me? I don’t know, genuinely haven’t taken time to think about it. I’m sad, but I’m breathing more freely. ¶
Amazon VP only near $1M a year? Seems too low. But maybe it varies from group to group? Google level 8 (director) could easily exceed $1M already, and often around $2M. VP is a higher level.
He has other issues with the management, otherwise, he could stop such from happening as the VP. Or this is just an excuse. 兰聆小小生 发表于 5/4/2020 8:31:54 PM
-。-.... 根据比较偏科技八卦群的讨论，这个兄弟... 怎么说呢.. 之前示威游行抗议输油管，被警察抓了一次。reference：Yesterday, I was arrested and charged with Civil Contempt for failing to respect an injunction forbidding protesters from coming within 5 meters of the property where Kinder Morgan is trying to bring a pipeline for tar-sands bitumen to the Pacific. https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2018/03/18/How-to-Stop-Kinder-Morgan 然后这次跟之前climate change stike又有关系.... 就说这么多吧....
他说，看到亚马逊解雇那些对新冠病毒感到害怕并担心防护不到位的仓库工人，他感到非常失望，甚至崩溃，
“继续担任亚马逊副总裁一职就意味着我要做这些让我自己都鄙视自己的事情”，他写道：“所以我只能辞职走人。”
他说，现在离开公司，意味着他放弃近100万美元的薪水和股份。
给楼主把link补上。这样的良心高管越多越好！
自己辞职就不是layoff，肯定没有package，怎么不是“裸辞”？猎头挖人家也是因为人家有价值！
为什么现在出走是最好的时机？
你倒是说说人家甩了什么锅？又把锅甩给谁了？！
华人大叔/大妈的找好的下一份工作哪怕是google CEO， 也不敢发这样的声明
不得不说你真的很俗
从内到外地俗气
确实牛！
欧洲，加拿大，都挺多的！
这就是你和人家境界的区别
亚麻的口碑是怎么堕落成现在这个样子的？
贝秃找到真爱了，顾不上大爱了。
Amazon这家真的，是anti-trust法律应该反对的，已经很多人抱怨过自家在amazon上卖的好的东西马上amazon就跟着开始卖，根本没法公平竞争，而且现有的anti-trust法律没有包含互联网平台的。
共和党现在没有也像当初Sherman一样反垄断的牛人了！
这才是美国之所以能够成为美国的原因。
不是title搞错了就是收入搞错了，VP肯定不止1M。AWS的CEO一年几千万，VP只有一百万？怎么可能
看贴不仔细，他说的是，损失一百万。
典型的projecting yourself onto others, 心里是shit的人眼里看到的都是shit
就事论事，哪里有新闻说target, walmart工人有好的防护呢？没有新闻不代表没有问题存在，可能只是公关更好。target是不可能溢价的，因为没有第三方卖家，walmart和亚麻一样，也有很多加价的情况，因为当自己的存货卖完的情况下第三方卖家就开始更多显示在搜索结果中，这也不是公司主观决定的，对亚麻和walmart并没有直接的好处。至于发货慢，与体量和调整的快慢有关，你可以批评亚麻反应不够迅速或者物流跟不上，但上升到公司的道德败坏，至少这件事情上并不能支持这个论点。
渣男越长越像Dr. Evil
Second 你的观点
亚马逊已经承诺把第二季度利润全部用于改善仓库员工安全 购买安全口罩等 在上周财报都发布了
现在亚马逊严审任何price gouging 问题 医用口罩PPE 已经免去卖家费用 直接把成本给医院和政府客户 为了能保证医院供应 狠心暂时不给消费者 也是识大体的表现 口罩价格比平时高 不是亚马逊问题 是整个供应链成本上升太多 现在都用航空运货费用很高 中国口罩市场极其混乱 倒爷搞的价格升高 亚马逊能怎样
你这样评论太不负责了
你这种东西骨子里就是奴才
其他公司有没有曝出员工因为要求PPE而被解雇的消息？另外，Target上也是有第三方的卖家的。
你有几个data point啊？公司内部以前员工自己匿名公开的package。没看待一个8有1.5M。outlier肯定有，不过你说often，我有点好奇
8没有1.5米？在脸感觉高的7都可能拿这么多。
好阴暗
谷歌的怎么了？人家来了亚马逊从senior principal engineer开始，lead了aws 几个大的service，sqs等等，升到了distinguished engineer，全公司就10几个（VP全公司几百个），blind上亚马逊员工对他评价非常高。
公司做的不好不可以抗议吗？
他刚一辞职，就那么多公司找他，不用你操心。
L10，全公司就10几个，VP全公司几百个。
VP只是顶个头衔，手下可能只有一个executive assistant，他主要是做engineering的工作，包括design和review，一些distinguished engineer自己还写很多product的prototype，code量很高。
他原文不是开头几段都在骂亚马逊对待climate change冷处理么，还要说亚马逊针对有色人种女性，也是搞笑，VP白男最多的不是他AWS么？ 他和亚马逊物流的距离，就是一个Google和一个fedex的距离。我对替Bezos辩护是没啥兴趣，不过就凭这VP说自己和AECJ这帮平日非疫情期间不干活只知道瞎protest的人扯一起了，觉得他也是蛮detached哦，亚马逊门口西雅图社会主义者隔三岔五要市政府收人头税他看不到，AECJ这种又privileged又喜欢基于privilege抗议的实在是令人反感。
我也觉得亚马针对有色人种 尤其妇女 是笑话 知道太多Latino black women 很少干活 但是从来不会担心被辞职 （当然华人都不被算在有色人种里面）
已经开始配备了 Bezos 亲自去仓库视察
这个人完全不知道实际情况
amazon自己都price gouging，solimo的hand sanitizer从2019年11月的2.6刀起价到今年四月的9刀， 超过3倍了。