美国新冠死亡定义真是广泛

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duoweisa
楼主 (北美华人网)
只要死亡病人体内检出病毒,就算入死亡数字里,不管是否是致死原因

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angelina68
德国好像不是这样的。
小四子
要不怎么能多要联邦补助呢?
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aiyamayayongle
回复 1楼duoweisa的帖子 据我所知,美国的流感死亡人数也是这么统计的。
弹指芳华
是的,主要是为了数字大大的,好跟上面要钱
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duoweisa
回复 1楼duoweisa的帖子

据我所知,美国的流感死亡人数也是这么统计的。
aiyamayayongle 发表于 4/25/2020 1:47:01 PM

不是,里面两个ER医生解释过,流感死亡不是这么算的,否则更不得了
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hcrab

不是,里面两个ER医生解释过,流感死亡不是这么算的,否则更不得了

duoweisa 发表于 4/25/2020 1:53:14 PM [/url]


cdc每年统计的流感死亡就是这么算的

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/faq.htm

Deaths
What are seasonal influenza-related deaths?
Seasonal influenza-related deaths are deaths that occur in people for whom influenza infection was likely a contributor to the cause of death, but not necessarily the primary cause of death.

Does CDC know the exact number of people who die from seasonal flu each year?
CDC does not know exactly how many people die from seasonal flu each year. There are several reasons for this. First, states are not required to report individual flu illnesses or deaths among people older than 18 years of age to CDC. Second, influenza is infrequently listed on death certificates of people who die from flu-related complications. Third, many flu-related deaths occur one or two weeks after a person’s initial infection, either because the person may develop a secondary bacterial co-infection (such as bacterial pneumonia) or because influenza can aggravate an existing chronic illness (such as congestive heart failure or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease). Also, most people who die from flu-related complications are not tested for flu, or they seek medical care later in their illness when influenza can no longer be detected from respiratory samples. Sensitive influenza tests are only likely to detect influenza if performed within a week after onset of illness. In addition, some commonly used tests to diagnose influenza in clinical settings are not highly sensitive and can provide false negative results (i.e. they misdiagnose flu illness as not being flu.) For these reasons, many flu-related deaths may not be recorded on death certificates. These are some of the reasons that CDC and other public health agencies in the United States and other countries use statistical and mathematical models to estimate the annual number of flu-related deaths.
Flu deaths in children are slightly different though because these are nationally notifiable, which means that individual flu deaths must be reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. States report flu-related child deaths in the United States through the Influenza Associated Pediatric Mortality Surveillance System. However, even deaths in children may be underreported, for many of the same reasons listed above.
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duoweisa
“was likely a contributor to the cause of death, but not necessarily the primary cause of death.” 这次新冠连contributor都不去考虑
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tidewater
回复 1楼duoweisa的帖子

据我所知,美国的流感死亡人数也是这么统计的。
aiyamayayongle 发表于 4/25/2020 1:47:01 PM

不是,里面两个ER医生解释过,流感死亡不是这么算的,否则更不得了

duoweisa 发表于 2020-04-25 13:53

CDC 的模型是公开的。CDC 并不是仅仅按照 ER 开的死亡证明字面来估计。
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/how-cdc-estimates.htm
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hcrab
只要各州都按cdc的同样标准来统计,就没什么问题
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tidewater
“was likely a contributor to the cause of death, but not necessarily the primary cause of death.” 这次新冠连contributor都不去考虑
duoweisa 发表于 2020-04-25 14:01

太新了来不及制定标准。
再说会哭的娃有奶吃。不往严重说也管不住浪里个浪的不遵守居家令。
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tigerpi314
这就是为啥每年流感能算出那么多死亡人数
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yoda01
回复 1楼duoweisa的帖子 若轻症因为其它原因死的也算到新冠的话,这标准是有问题
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rureal
这就是为啥每年流感能算出那么多死亡人数
tigerpi314 发表于 4/25/2020 2:39:09 PM


流感计数是服务于推销疫苗的,
新冠计数是服务于叫停经济的,
现在就好奇他们是否重复计数,一个人身上既有流感又有新冠,死亡的话算哪个?
要是光顾上新冠的话,也许不久后就可以普天同庆新冠治好了流感。

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thick
一直想知道一个问题,比如确诊了以后,回家路上出车祸死了,这也算在死亡的人里面吗?还有,大部分的轻症,回家呆了几天自愈了,但是肯定也不会回去报告说,我好了。所以这些人也不会被算在治愈里面。那治愈的数字就只有重症住院了的那些,对吗?
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tidewater

rureal 发表于 2020-04-25 17:07

按模型看起来应该两边都算 。。。 只要有相干性就算。
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tidewater
一直想知道一个问题,比如确诊了以后,回家路上出车祸死了,这也算在死亡的人里面吗?还有,大部分的轻症,回家呆了几天自愈了,但是肯定也不会回去报告说,我好了。所以这些人也不会被算在治愈里面。那治愈的数字就只有重症住院了的那些,对吗?
thick 发表于 2020-04-25 20:08

车祸按 CDC模型应该不算,因为不相干。
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Cybercat
纽约没测的有症状的就算。
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baymom
德国好像不是这样的。

angelina68 发表于 4/25/2020 1:24:29 PM

德国不是。德国Covid19 病人并发症导致的死亡都不算。
弹指芳华
纽约没测的有症状的就算。
Cybercat 发表于 4/25/2020 8:30:35 PM

没测的也算?
南京菜农
那到底算不算啊。
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justinhowe
所以你想要说什么
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firmiana
其实主流报严重点不是可以警示大家也挺好。。