Dr Fauci 好像没起什么好作用啊?他是 cdc 的人吗?他做了什么有用的事情吗?

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solaso
楼主 (北美华人网)
不知道大家为啥这么尊重他?
他做了什么有用的事情吗?
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Huarenginger
他至少阻止了川普进一步胡来, 不过行动上的滞后肯定是有的 他年龄很大了,每天这么辛苦的工作,也要被人尊重吧
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vehi
他至少阻止了川普进一步胡来, 不过行动上的滞后肯定是有的

他年龄很大了,每天这么辛苦的工作,也要被人尊重吧
Huarenginger 发表于 4/13/2020 1:22:57 PM

他阻止了什么?
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caribou
回复 1楼solaso的帖子 前几天被记者问他为什么不戴口罩,还说口罩是为了保护别人,他刚测过不用戴,美国现在竟是这种令人目瞪口呆的专家。
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Cybercat
你连他是在哪上班的都不知道,不知道他做了什么不是很正常吗? 我推荐个神器你试一下,叫google.
刘晓庆
你连他是在哪上班的都不知道,不知道他做了什么不是很正常吗?
我推荐个神器你试一下,叫google.
Cybercat 发表于 4/13/2020 1:24:37 PM


应该不在 中餐厅上班吧

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落地无声
你连他是在哪上班的都不知道,不知道他做了什么不是很正常吗?
我推荐个神器你试一下,叫google.
Cybercat 发表于 4/13/2020 1:24:37 PM

你要求太高, lol
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Huarenginger

他阻止了什么?
vehi 发表于 4/13/2020 1:23:34 PM

川普复活节要复工的。。。

还有些其他的吧
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nyc15
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六朝元老。当然早期也有大量的错误和误判,但是主要作用还是正面的,至少阻止了川普4月12号复工的疯狂想法。
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Anthony Fauci has been an extraordinary presence during the COVID-19 crisis: calm yet urgent, informative yet plain-spoken. Along the way, he’s doing something even more difficult than explaining COVID-19. He’s providing insight about the role of the scientific expert in a liberal democracy. Scientific experts are considerably diminished from what they were some decades ago, as our debates about climate change, vaccinations, genetically modified organisms and many other topics reveal. Archon Fung, a scholar of democratic governance at Harvard’s Kennedy School, describes our state of affairs as “wide aperture, low deference democracy”: almost everything is now up for public debate, even climate science, and those who have traditionally led such debates are losing their influence. There are many reasons for the decline of experts. The new media environment, political polarization and growing economic inequality have all helped make the public suspicious of people seen as belonging to the existing power structure. We're in an increasingly revolutionary mood. In politics and elsewhere, we’re attracted to ideas that seem to flout the rules. In the midst of this transformation, what it means to be an expert has also changed. At one time, one could qualify as an expert just by being particularly smart or well educated about a technical topic and having been anointed as an expert by other experts, like university officials or political leaders. Think of 1950s scientists and doctors whose lab coats signified their training and the respect and deference they deserved. Today, more is required. To qualify as an expert is to meet the criteria for a special social role, and nowadays, having the requisite knowledge, ability and recognition is only part of what one needs. Credentials alone no longer make one credible. This is where Fauci shines. He’s showing us how to be not just trustworthy but actually trusted. The role is still fundamentally about providing accurate information. Fauci is fighting the outbreak with “the sledgehammer of truth,” as the Washington Post columnist Karen Tumulty put it—helping everyone to understand the real dimensions of the problem in spite of widespread misinformation and politics-driven fact-spinning. But what makes him so helpful and credible has to do with how he provides the information, and what’s especially powerful about his approach is that he's more or less the opposite of a sledgehammer. He is grounded in humility and humanity: he uses plain language; he admits uncertainties and failings; he seems to be at pains to say that he has a special perspective, “as a scientist,” rather than the only possibly useful view; he refuses to make the science overtly political; he is gracious and cautious when offering corrections. Typical Fauci was on display when he responded to a question at the March 21 White House coronavirus news briefing about a tweet in which President Trump had said that an antimalaria drug combined with an antibiotic looked very promising. “I’m not totally sure what the president was referring to,” began Fauci, before saying that he assumed it was an anecdotal report recently drawing attention, and then gently parting ways with the president. “There are those who lean to the point of giving hope and saying give that person the option of having access to that drug,” Fauci said. “And then you have the other group, which is my job as a scientist, to say my job is to ultimately prove without a doubt that a drug is not only safe, but that it actually works.” The usual way of invoking science in contemporary social debates is rather different. We use science as a rhetorical weapon to claim the high ground: our side is the “science-based” side, and the other side are “science-deniers.” If people disagree with us, we tear into them. We engage in caustic myth-busting and fact-checking of our opponents even though that strategy tends, ironically, to reinforce the misinformation. Fauci’s approach is to humanize science: to tell the truth, but to do so with humility and grace, and to present the science as useful for pursuing common values rather than as a tool for fighting about values. “I don’t want to act like a tough guy,” he told the New York Times’ Maureen Dowd. “I just want to get the facts out. And instead of saying, ‘You’re wrong,’ all you need to do is continually talk about what the data are.” We will eventually win through to the other side of this pandemic, and when we do, we’ll have a raft of other scientific problems to worry about again. Anthony Fauci is helping us to win through, but the example he's providing for the trusted scientific expert will be a lasting gift for the debates to come.
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hearyt
不知道大家为啥这么尊重他?
他做了什么有用的事情吗?

solaso 发表于 4/13/2020 1:17:20 PM


说实话,他这次自己很滞后,作为一个应该实事求是的科学家,他没有阻止川普说low risk, big flu, mild symptoms can go back to work, no need for mask. 我对他很不满意。但也许他有难言之隐,我不知道。
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nyc15
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因为他一开始也有误判,low risk,可以坐游轮,不需要戴口罩之类的话他自己也都说过。
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lvk
他至少阻止了川普进一步胡来, 不过行动上的滞后肯定是有的

他年龄很大了,每天这么辛苦的工作,也要被人尊重吧
Huarenginger 发表于 4/13/2020 1:22:57 PM

这是什么逻辑?!
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Seeking668
他代表医疗资本的 凡是没有在第一天开始就大声疾呼要全民戴口罩,动员家庭自制口罩的,都不是什么好“专家”
一片云彩
比某国士强
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olderthanriver
老头不容易,尽自己本分给出建议,但是没有拍板权,很多时候也只能干瞪眼,大统领不听劝,他帮忙擦屁股是分内事也,不能指望人人成为以身家事业相要挟的义士
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lalawawa
他这次的作用我想可能是---维稳
木瓜瓜
他如履薄冰…再不按床铺的方式说论,就会接“u r fired"的pink slip.
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prospect511
美国疫情爆发前,看到他被采访的视频,觉得他就是那种能让大家镇静下来的领军人物。不过后来也对他的有些说法感到失望。中国已经用掺痛的代价先向世界证明了什么是该做的,什么事不该做的。医学无国界,为啥他还继续有这些重大的误判?
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chashaobao
不知道大家为啥这么尊重他?
他做了什么有用的事情吗?

solaso 发表于 4/13/2020 1:17:20 PM


google随时可以查到他的信息,就放狗一下看看他的介绍用不了几分钟啊
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honey-bee


说实话,他这次自己很滞后,作为一个应该实事求是的科学家,他没有阻止川普说low risk, big flu, mild symptoms can go back to work, no need for mask. 我对他很不满意。但也许他有难言之隐,我不知道。

hearyt 发表于 4/13/2020 1:31:19 PM


这些难道不是Fauci先说的?
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zl3341


说实话,他这次自己很滞后,作为一个应该实事求是的科学家,他没有阻止川普说low risk, big flu, mild symptoms can go back to work, no need for mask. 我对他很不满意。但也许他有难言之隐,我不知道。

hearyt 发表于 4/13/2020 1:31:19 PM

疫情分析我主要看Fauci的采访。

你说反了,low risk in Feb, big flu, need mask only when you’re sick etc是Fauci说的。川普是传话筒。

除了low risk in Feb我持不同意见,Fauci其他的建议和见解我觉得没问题。哪一步采取哪一种防疫措施,不听他的听谁的?
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Seeking668
美国疫情爆发前,看到他被采访的视频,觉得他就是那种能让大家镇静下来的领军人物。不过后来也对他的有些说法感到失望。中国已经用掺痛的代价先向世界证明了什么是该做的,什么事不该做的。医学无国界,为啥他还继续有这些重大的误判?
prospect511 发表于 4/13/2020 1:42:14 PM


不是什么“误判”,华人大妈都明白的事,这些一辈子干这行的怎么会不明白,心里明镜似的
但是架不住背后有巨大利益,瘟疫是摇钱树,而且要全民打疫苗,没有几百万人得病死几万吓死国民,怎么可能实现?
所以我一直说,要废除医疗的盈利性质,才可能实现医疗专家为国民健康着想,而不是现在为钱包着想
小喵呜
我的感觉各国的首席或者高阶卫生官都是搞学术的出身。混过学术界的都知道搞研究发paper和出来对群众讲话让几亿人根据你的讲话来行动根本不是一回事。paper是理论一篇,模型一篇,模型在极其严格条件下验证一篇,敏感分析又一篇,对不对没关系,自己能说圆了就行。讲话是你说错了立马有后果,所以给人的印象就是这些官员整天在瞎bb。
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homey
总统和福奇只能留下一个,我选福奇留下。 即使是科学家也只能在当下的数据下做分析结论。没有人可以预知未来。敢于承认错误并纠正就已经好过一大批人了。
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hearyt
疫情分析我主要看Fauci的采访。
你说反了,low risk in Feb, big flu, need mask only when you’re sick etc是Fauci说的。川普是传话筒。

除了low risk in Feb我持不同意见,Fauci其他的建议和见解我觉得没问题。哪一步采取哪一种防疫措施,不听他的听谁的?

zl3341 发表于 4/13/2020 1:48:06 PM


如果我说反了,是Fauci的意见,那我对他就更不满了。
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solaso
这些难道不是Fauci先说的?

honey-bee 发表于 4/13/2020 1:46:35 PM


如果low risk, just a flu 是 Fauci 告诉川普的,那么他更没有啥好作用
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hellensiao
所以现在川粉的战术是拿Dr Fauci 顶川普的锅?这多场白宫发言看下来,难道不是川大嘴张口就来,Dr Fauci每次都艺术的帮他擦屁股?
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lcccbwmm
这个人很垃圾,就是他忽悠川普,民主党能有什么好东西
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Seeking668
所以现在川粉的战术是拿Dr Fauci 顶川普的锅?这多场白宫发言看下来,难道不是川大嘴张口就来,Dr Fauci每次都艺术的帮他擦屁股?
hellensiao 发表于 4/13/2020 2:17:59 PM


他们都不是什么好鸟,有不同的利益,有矛盾,但美国国民是大输家是肯定的,这锅他们都跑不掉
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olderthanriver
either way现在甩锅甩到自己task force内部来了,看景吧
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