白宫国家贸易委员会主任纳瓦罗警告新冠疫情的备忘录流露出来了

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letgogogo

救了美国???禁航中国现在看来做了和没做一样好吧。

girlinblack 发表于 4/7/2020 1:23:02 PM


绝对延缓了爆发时间,不然美国搞不好比意大利先爆?
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noshock
冷战遗毒纳瓦罗。CNN采访的时候语无伦次。这个年纪就应该进养老院
woyaoshou 发表于 4/7/2020 7:35:42 PM

冷战不是他挑起的,他可能挑起吗?冷战是2009 后大陆挑起的。 Navarro 只是个观察家,起码在这个世纪大毒灾上,他的直觉起了作用,是非常有远见的。
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我来解释一下,Fauci 以Science 为基础,他只有WHO数据,哪怕不情愿,做事要有依据,只能用WHO数据,即中国的假数据,所以当时防备不力。Novarro则是从政治直觉出发,他对大陆政权本质的判断出发,认为大陆是发生了大事。但是,直觉是没有多少事实基础的,所以一月份他输了。但是至今的结果,事实证明,Fauci 信WHO,即大陆,是大错,而Novato 的直觉对了,他非常正确!不幸的是,他的个人正确,是以全美爆发为代价的,极其痛苦的荣誉。

noshock 发表于 4/7/2020 7:11:54 PM


觉得这个很可能。科学家相信数据,但是政治觉悟不够,不知道我党的数据根本不能相信。
吃瓜群众11
啧啧,报告里预计可能死亡50万,这就是川普说的big flu嘛?
川粉又在这疯狂自high了

为龙为光 发表于 4/7/2020 4:55:18 PM


我只看见华人版上,MSM报道个别案例,什么一个三十岁的人病故了,什么一个无病史的人病故了,川黑就立刻高潮了。

然后眼看疫情曲线开始向平稳发展了,川黑那种深深的失望和抑郁哦.......
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我来解释一下,Fauci 以Science 为基础,他只有WHO数据,哪怕不情愿,做事要有依据,只能用WHO数据,即中国的假数据,所以当时防备不力。Novarro则是从政治直觉出发,他对大陆政权本质的判断出发,认为大陆是发生了大事。但是,直觉是没有多少事实基础的,所以一月份他输了。但是至今的结果,事实证明,Fauci 信WHO,即大陆,是大错,而Novato 的直觉对了,他非常正确!不幸的是,他的个人正确,是以全美爆发为代价的,极其痛苦的荣誉。

noshock 发表于 4/7/2020 7:11:54 PM

+1希望更多人看到
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sabrinamuxin
Navarro一直是个历害人啊,而且关键是对Trump很忠诚,如果一直关注这方面新闻的话,会发现其实Navarro不能说在WH或者在Trump面前一直能说得上话,主要还是他的鹰派立场,被鸽派的人排挤,会sideline他。 但是他确实对Trump很忠诚,这次确实是有远见,Trump每次做决定其实各方意见都要汇总,至于Navarro每次的意见能不能被Trump看到,我觉得是不一定。有时候Trump听他的,有时候不听,但是他也一直没走,因为看了apprentice的人就知道,Trump很重视Loyalty。这次Navarro临危受命去搞supply 的coordinator了。不管是不是Trump重视,总之希望他能一直在WH吧,Trump还不至于容不下不同的声音,关键是Trump身边的人能不能容下。
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哎 回看也确实不现实 但是只有这样能救这边
一月底二月初中国才爆,就欧洲断航?你张嘴一说也太没逻辑了 爱咋咋地吧 发表于 4/7/2020 6:58:00 PM
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Navarro一直是个历害人啊,而且关键是对Trump很忠诚,如果一直关注这方面新闻的话,会发现其实Navarro不能说在WH或者在Trump面前一直能说得上话,主要还是他的鹰派立场,被鸽派的人排挤,会sideline他。
但是他确实对Trump很忠诚,这次确实是有远见,Trump每次做决定其实各方意见都要汇总,至于Navarro每次的意见能不能被Trump看到,我觉得是不一定。有时候Trump听他的,有时候不听,但是他也一直没走,因为看了apprentice的人就知道,Trump很重视Loyalty。这次Navarro临危受命去搞supply 的coordinator了。不管是不是Trump重视,总之希望他能一直在WH吧,Trump还不至于容不下不同的声音,关键是Trump身边的人能不能容下。
sabrinamuxin 发表于 4/7/2020 8:43:05 PM


navarro眼光比较超前,看到大部分人包括所谓“精英”看不到的大格局变化。当美国大部分“精英”们还沉浸在以globalization去中国寻求财富的美梦中时, 他看到了中国ccp统治下意识形态政治体制与国际社会的不兼容,崛起以后必然挑战以美国为首的国际社会。
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Caffeine


Fauci后来是支持中国Travel Ban的,三月还给Trump站过台。但一月底的时候是很有可能反对中国Travel Ban的,毕竟数据不明显。Fauci二月的时候还经常说危险不大,大家放心。

lylo 发表于 4/7/2020 1:25:29 PM

对,war room pandemic也放过多次。1月说risk is very low,还反对断航,然后最近开始把断航抢到自己的credit,被bannon抓住了。已经连续放录音打脸两天了。
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Caffeine
bannon今天爆料,说这个memo被泄露出来是一个左派对Navarro的hit。这个和Navarro跟fauci争论hydroxychloroquine的故事是两拳。 但是,他们没有预料到这个其实把Navarro搞得非常有预见力。由于华人普遍信hydroxychloroquine,也就没看出来第二个也是个hit。 这人是挺牛的。5trn也算对了。佩服。
颜即是正义


我来解释一下,Fauci 以Science 为基础,他只有WHO数据,哪怕不情愿,做事要有依据,只能用WHO数据,即中国的假数据,所以当时防备不力。Novarro则是从政治直觉出发,他对大陆政权本质的判断出发,认为大陆是发生了大事。但是,直觉是没有多少事实基础的,所以一月份他输了。但是至今的结果,事实证明,Fauci 信WHO,即大陆,是大错,而Novato 的直觉对了,他非常正确!不幸的是,他的个人正确,是以全美爆发为代价的,极其痛苦的荣誉。

noshock 发表于 4/7/2020 7:11:54 PM


完全同意
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我来解释一下,Fauci 以Science 为基础,他只有WHO数据,哪怕不情愿,做事要有依据,只能用WHO数据,即中国的假数据,所以当时防备不力。Novarro则是从政治直觉出发,他对大陆政权本质的判断出发,认为大陆是发生了大事。但是,直觉是没有多少事实基础的,所以一月份他输了。但是至今的结果,事实证明,Fauci 信WHO,即大陆,是大错,而Novato 的直觉对了,他非常正确!不幸的是,他的个人正确,是以全美爆发为代价的,极其痛苦的荣誉。

noshock 发表于 4/7/2020 7:11:54 PM

手动点赞!是这样的
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luming
这个楼真是奇葩。大统领在某些人眼中真是神一样的地位。。。。一个人的最大价值在于对大统领的忠心。果然是要把奴才文化发扬光大啊。可惜连 Navarro 都做不到川粉颂扬的这样的奴才。做奴才的前提,怎么可以跟主人不一样意见呢? 再,大统领亲自打脸来了。。。。否认他看到 Navarro memo, 一直到最近。好奇怪川粉如此热爱大统领,却还是没明白大统领始终一贯的风格么:对他个人忠心,做彻底的奴才,他永远是英明神武正确,所有的错处责任都是别人的。 Trump says he didn't see Navarro memos but wouldn't have changed course if he had https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-he-didnt-see-navarro-memos-but-wouldnt-have-changed-course-if-he-had/ar-BB12hVUf?ocid=spartanntp President Trump on Tuesday said he had not seen memos from one of his top trade advisers warning in January of the consequences of a potential pandemic, but denied he would have acted differently if he had. The president was asked at a coronavirus press briefing about memos from Peter Navarro in which the trade adviser outlined the economic and public health problems that could arise if the virus spread from mainland China. The memo was circulated in late January, the same time Trump was insisting the issue was "under control."
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这个楼真是奇葩。大统领在某些人眼中真是神一样的地位。。。。一个人的最大价值在于对大统领的忠心。果然是要把奴才文化发扬光大啊。可惜连 Navarro 都做不到川粉颂扬的这样的奴才。做奴才的前提,怎么可以跟主人不一样意见呢?
再,大统领亲自打脸来了。。。。否认他看到 Navarro memo, 一直到最近。好奇怪川粉如此热爱大统领,却还是没明白大统领始终一贯的风格么:对他个人忠心,做彻底的奴才,他永远是英明神武正确,所有的错处责任都是别人的。

Trump says he didn't see Navarro memos but wouldn't have changed course if he had
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-he-didnt-see-navarro-memos-but-wouldnt-have-changed-course-if-he-had/ar-BB12hVUf?ocid=spartanntp

President Trump on Tuesday said he had not seen memos from one of his top trade advisers warning in January of the consequences of a potential pandemic, but denied he would have acted differently if he had.
The president was asked at a coronavirus press briefing about memos from Peter Navarro in which the trade adviser outlined the economic and public health problems that could arise if the virus spread from mainland China.
The memo was circulated in late January, the same time Trump was insisting the issue was "under control."
luming 发表于 4/7/2020 10:56:00 PM


简而言之。。。

他这个东西

大统领看了也当放屁一样

该继续咋做咋做。。。

大家可别吹了。。。

看看英文原文吧。。。

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牛牛牛牛
现在川普甩锅的对象是福西老爷子了?。。。 没有伏羲老爷子站川普身边。。。 你看看他的信任度跌成shi。。。 啧啧,没下限。。。 。。。。。。
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Fauci比较僵化,什么都要evidence,作为科学家是很严谨。他和那个站台的女教授好像是长期搞HIV研究的。这时候应该要找长期从事流感研究,特别是呼吸领域的专家,还有传染病公卫研究领域的人来提供意见和策略。中国不管钟南山还是王辰曹彬还有广受好评的张文宏,都是呼吸重症领域或者是院感流行病学方面的专家,都有SARS的防控经验,当测序发现SARS-2和SARS高度同源,他们就知道了危险性和防控的严格性,即便这样,SARS-2还比SARS更狡猾。还有控制得比较好的亚洲国家,甚至加拿大,都是有SARS防控经验的,所以都控制得还好。而看白宫work force task每次新闻发布会Fauci和围巾女专家讲的最多的就是HIV,Ebola,这个SARS-2其实跟这些病毒的传播模式防疫方法都不一样,希望后面还有其他专家提供意见吧。总是觉得他们两其实专业不怎么对口的样子。
不管谁在早期预测了疫情的严重程度,CDC的试剂盒开发失败是最关键的一步大错误,在谁应该承担责任方面要承担50%的责任。

patx2449 发表于 4/7/2020 2:54:03 PM

特别认同一点 专业方面的事让这一领域的专家来主导 政府负责统筹协调
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bannon今天爆料,说这个memo被泄露出来是一个左派对Navarro的hit。这个和Navarro跟fauci争论hydroxychloroquine的故事是两拳。
但是,他们没有预料到这个其实把Navarro搞得非常有预见力。由于华人普遍信hydroxychloroquine,也就没看出来第二个也是个hit。
这人是挺牛的。5trn也算对了。佩服。
Caffeine 发表于 4/7/2020 9:40:45 PM

可惜大统领没有看见,或者说,视而不见。。。
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前两天有报道说纳瓦罗和费奇大吵,现在再看这些备忘录,发现整个疫情中他可能是最清醒最正确的人。疫情过后,川普对他的信任很可能会进一步提高。

Navarro memos warning of mass coronavirus death circulated in January

Jonathan Swan, Margaret Talev


Image from a memo to President Trump
In late January, President Trump's economic adviser Peter Navarro warned his White House colleagues the novel coronavirus could take more than half a million American lives and cost close to $6 trillion, according to memos obtained by Axios. The state of play: By late February, Navarro was even more alarmed, and he warned his colleagues, in another memo, that up to 2 million Americans could die of the virus.
Navarro's grim estimates are set out in two memos — one dated Jan. 29 and addressed to the National Security Council, the other dated Feb. 23 and addressed to the president. The NSC circulated both memos around the White House and multiple agencies.
In the first memo, which the New York Times was first to report on, Navarro makes his case for "an immediate travel ban on China."
The second lays the groundwork for supplemental requests from Congress, with the warning: "This is NOT a time for penny-pinching or horse trading on the Hill."
Why it matters: The president quickly restricted travel from China, moved to delay re-entry of American travelers who could be infected, and dispatched his team to work with Congress on stimulus funds.
But Trump was far slower to publicly acknowledge the sort of scenarios Navarro had put in writing.
One senior administration official who received Navarro's memos said at the time they were skeptical of his motives and thus his warnings: “The January travel memo struck me as an alarmist attempt to bring attention to Peter’s anti-China agenda while presenting an artificially limited range of policy options."
"The supplemental memo lacked any basis for its projections, which led some staff to worry that it could needlessly rattle markets and may not direct funding where it was truly needed."
Navarro declined to comment for this story. Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon defended Navarro's motives, calling the memos "prophetic" and saying Navarro was forced to put his concerns in writing because "there was total blockage to get these facts in front of the President of the United States."
The "naivete, arrogance and ignorance" of White House advisers who disagreed with Navarro "put the country and the world in jeopardy," Bannon said, adding that Navarro was sidelined from the task force after the memo.
"In this Kafkaesque nightmare, nobody would pay attention to him or the facts."
The Jan. 29 memo set out two stark choices: "Aggressive Containment versus No Containment."
Navarro compared cost estimates for the choices and wrote that the Council of Economic Advisers' estimates for stopping travel from China to the U.S. would be $2.9 billion per month. If the virus turned out to be a pandemic, that travel ban could extend 12 months and cost the U.S. $34.6 billion.
Doing nothing (the "No Containment" option) could range from "zero economic costs" to $5.7 trillion depending on the lethality of the virus.
On the high end, he estimated a scenario in which the coronavirus could kill 543,000 Americans.
The Feb. 23 memo did not advertise its author as did the first, but it was written by Navarro and distributed to numerous officials through the NSC. It was titled as a memorandum to the president via the offices of the national security adviser, chief of staff and COVID-19 task force, and the subject line described it as a request for supplemental appropriation.
It began: "There is an increasing probability of a full-blown COVID-19 pandemic that could infect as many as 100 million Americans, with a loss of life of as many as 1-2 million souls."
He called for an "immediate supplemental appropriation of at least $3 billion" to support efforts at prevention, treatment, inoculation and diagnostics.
He described expected needs for "Personal Protective Equipment" for health care workers and secondary workers in facilities such as elder care and skilled nursing. He estimated that over a four-to-six-month period, "We can expect to need at least a billion face masks, 200,000 Tyvek suits, and 11,000 ventilator circuits, and 25,000 PAPRs (powered air-purifying respirators)."
Navarro clashed this past weekend with Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, over how widely to promote the use of malaria drug hydroxychloroquine to treat the coronavirus.
But the January and February memos reveal a more substantial advocacy on his part, with detailed health and economic calculations meant to grab and hold the president's attention.
Politico first reported in late February about the existence of memos from Navarro to White House officials, while their details had not been published.
Our thought bubble: Axios' health care editor Sam Baker says Navarro's concern about the severity while acknowledging the speculative nature of modeling viruses was largely correct.
"These memos place a very big emphasis on banning travel specifically from China —which, of course, Trump did," Baker says. But by Jan. 29, there were confirmed cases in 15 countries, including the U.S.
"This is not to say they're a bad idea, only that this is why public-health experts don't lean as heavily on travel restrictions. People come into the U.S. from a lot of places, and with two globalized countries, simply stopping people coming in from Wuhan was not bad but it shouldn't be shocking that it was insufficient."
Flashback: "It's going to have a very good ending for us," Trump said of the coronavirus in a speech on Jan. 30.
In a Feb. 24 tweet, he said it was "very much under control" and that the stock market is "starting to look very good to me."
The World Health Organization declared it a pandemic on March 11.
On March 17, the president said, "I've felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic."
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sbtelf 发表于 4/7/2020 12:54:18 PM

一看到有人justify右派的东西 华人大妈立刻兴奋不已
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amd06
这个算是惊天大料,基本解释了到现在的唯一两个谜团:
1、为什么川普当初这么快就禁航中国?
2、为什么之后CDC完全没有反应。

1是纳瓦罗用尽了自己的政治能量,影响了川普的决定。

2是对禁航中国的决定,白宫内外反对声音很大。CDC或者觉得自己被overrule了,或者被某些势力影响了,所以就一直处于撂挑子的状态。

我看川普和纳瓦罗,可能要召回班农了。
到最后还是川普核心的American First集团,救了美国。
might 发表于 4/7/2020 1:21:23 PM

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吃瓜群众11
Navarro一直是个历害人啊,而且关键是对Trump很忠诚,如果一直关注这方面新闻的话,会发现其实Navarro不能说在WH或者在Trump面前一直能说得上话,主要还是他的鹰派立场,被鸽派的人排挤,会sideline他。
但是他确实对Trump很忠诚,这次确实是有远见,Trump每次做决定其实各方意见都要汇总,至于Navarro每次的意见能不能被Trump看到,我觉得是不一定。有时候Trump听他的,有时候不听,但是他也一直没走,因为看了apprentice的人就知道,Trump很重视Loyalty。这次Navarro临危受命去搞supply 的coordinator了。不管是不是Trump重视,总之希望他能一直在WH吧,Trump还不至于容不下不同的声音,关键是Trump身边的人能不能容下。
sabrinamuxin 发表于 4/7/2020 8:43:05 PM


看Navarro的简历,他是个业务能力很强的高级参谋,是个king maker,但永远不会是king。这样的人可以忍受很多ego的挑战,直到实现自己的目标。所以看好他在川普幕僚里的旅途
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Navarro 这个人和章家敦一对活宝。当初华人对他俩那是当笑话看。曾经是个民主党的小头目,和最腐败的洛山鸡民主党一挂的,多次竞选都失败。他那一套理论也鼓吹好多年了,从来没变过,居然摇身一变成共和党核心价值,成板上华人的主心骨了了。活久见。
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hnlaser
美国抗击疫情掺杂了太多的政治考量,各自将疫情发布会变成竞选宣讲会
hdbbs 发表于 4/7/2020 3:24:50 PM

各国都差不多
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kriswu
冷战遗毒纳瓦罗。CNN采访的时候语无伦次。这个年纪就应该进养老院
woyaoshou 发表于 4/7/2020 7:35:42 PM

文革余孽习近平的大外宣,lol
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1/29第一次预警,2/23说可能120万美国人遇难。这就是说中国数据造假的结论。那要按照某些人的逻辑乘100,1000呢?
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这样川普在把所有问题都推给中国就不行了
恋上樱桃
明確一下,Fauci和納瓦羅爭執的是氯喹應用問題,不是防疫問題
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不错
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cyc
幸好有他,不然美国更惨
要管3721 发表于 4/7/2020 2:27:45 PM