我不知道有用没用啊,氯喹很可能就是神药,一吃就好,不吃就死。不过反正fauci也不是好东西,管他说什么呢 Americans shouldn't assume hydroxychloroquine is a "knockout drug" in preventing or treating COVID-19, White House health advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci warned Friday.
"We still need to do the definitive studies to determine whether any intervention, not just this one, is truly safe and effective,"
A New York doctor hopes to help his elderly COVID-19 patients with a treatment plan inspired by the success tentatively being reported with hydroxychloroquine — and which he says shows promising results.
Hannity这篇文章没有进入很具体的细节。隔壁楼里的事实是纽约州长两次修改禁令,即使在FDA允许之后,他在纽约至今今只允许这个药用于重症。这是一篇给他洗地的文章里承认的,说他没有outright ban.这个药目前大量的证据都说轻症使用极其有效,到重症人就容易给拖死了。他最新规定里的inpatient vs outpatient粗略理解就是前者需要住院基本是重症,后者是去医院看病医生开药回家休息的轻症。Cuomo正好把对防疫最重要的后者给ban了让最需要的人拿不到药
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/02/facebook-posts/chloroquine-not-banned-michigan-new-york-and-nevad/ The new rules allow health care providers to prescribe the drug for "patients in inpatient settings and acute settings; for residents in a subacute part of a skilled nursing facility; or as part of an study approved by an Institutional Review Board." The change means that, similar to Nevada, doctors in New York can now prescribe chloroquine to COVID-19 patients in hospitals and emergency rooms, but not in outpatient settings.
Hannity这篇文章没有进入很具体的细节。隔壁楼里的事实是纽约州长两次修改禁令,即使在FDA允许之后,他在纽约至今今只允许这个药用于重症。这是一篇给他洗地的文章里承认的,说他没有outright ban.这个药目前大量的证据都说轻症使用极其有效,到重症人就容易给拖死了。他最新规定里的inpatient vs outpatient粗略理解就是前者需要住院基本是重症,后者是去医院看病医生开药回家休息的轻症。Cuomo正好把对防疫最重要的后者给ban了让最需要的人拿不到药。等再过些天他弟弟的CNN可以跟进报道:疫情中心纽约使用这个药的数据证明疗效很低微,都是川普为了股市骗人撒谎夸大疗效!
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/02/facebook-posts/chloroquine-not-banned-michigan-new-york-and-nevad/ The new rules allow health care providers to prescribe the drug for "patients in inpatient settings and acute settings; for residents in a subacute part of a skilled nursing facility; or as part of an study approved by an Institutional Review Board." The change means that, similar to Nevada, doctors in New York can now prescribe chloroquine to COVID-19 patients in hospitals and emergency rooms, but not in outpatient settings.
回复 145楼netlive的帖子 这个药已经问世六十多年了,很多病人是需要长期服用的,病理毒理研究应该都已经很透彻了。这不是一个新药,是老药新用。 Wiki上抄来一小段: Hydroxychloroquine was approved for medical use in the United States in 1955.[2] It is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines, the safest and most effective medicines needed in a health system.[6] In 2017, it was the 128th-most-prescribed medication in the United States, with more than five million prescriptions.[7]
那篇文章的结论是为了防止stockpiling. 当然人们可以argue这个结论,但是无论怎样说这个举动是故意“投毒”,”用尽办法让疫情恶化”那就是故意歪曲事实了,让病情恶化会对谁有利?不论是Trump, 还是 Cuomo 疫情恶化都对他们不利 “ A Facebook post claims the governors of Michigan, Nevada and New York have ordered banning the use of chloroquine for COVID-19 patients. Nevada and New York have restricted access to the malaria drug in an effort to limit stockpiling. Each state has exemptions for patients hospitalized with the coronavirus. Michigan has taken no additional regulatory action to restrict access to chloroquine; instead, it has asked prescribers to avoid giving the drug to potential stockpilers. ”
这个 2017-2019的FDA的commissioner今天的推还表扬了纽约,他同时还说纽约不会run out of ventilators https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1246827839003021313?s=20 New York healthcare system will be brought to brink this week. They won’t go over. They’re are heroic efforts underway to expand capacities. The efforts are extraordinary. Historic. Cuomo tells this story of perseverance well. I always feel a little better after listening to him.
那篇文章的结论是为了防止stockpiling. 当然人们可以argue这个结论,但是无论怎样说这个举动是故意“投毒”,”用尽办法让疫情恶化”那就是故意歪曲事实了,让病情恶化会对谁有利?不论是Trump, 还是 Cuomo 疫情恶化都对他们不利 “ A Facebook post claims the governors of Michigan, Nevada and New York have ordered banning the use of chloroquine for COVID-19 patients. Nevada and New York have restricted access to the malaria drug in an effort to limit stockpiling. Each state has exemptions for patients hospitalized with the coronavirus. Michigan has taken no additional regulatory action to restrict access to chloroquine; instead, it has asked prescribers to avoid giving the drug to potential stockpilers. ”
我一点不cynical啊坚决支持楼主,要解释啥?他为啥是个精神病要害死这么多人?我觉得理解不了啊,也不是我们纽约人给他出的主意,那可能他就是个反人类,还能怎么解释?咱先不说Fauci还有一帮子专家天天说氯喹没用啥的胡咧咧啊,纽约早就上临床试验了,楼里有人说认识医生用氯喹,之前也有mm开帖说是纽约前线在用氯喹,现在突然他就抽风不让用了?!你说他不是深井冰是啥,我们当然要打倒他!
fauci啥时候说的氯喹没用,可否给个链接?我比较孤陋寡闻只听cnn说氯喹没用。fauci说没用但fda却批了氯喹用于新冠。
对啊,因为他下毒也好不给药也好都是精准打击不投他的人,呼吸机也绝对不给他们,最后剩下的都是投他的,一个不差
hercyna 发表于 4/5/2020 11:11:02 AM
我觉得他背后有强大的团队支持,进行了严密的计算,确保万无一失,一灭一准
hercyna 发表于 4/5/2020 11:13:01 AM
楼主我帮你完善了一下来龙去脉,快看到我,加到主楼去
我不知道有用没用啊,氯喹很可能就是神药,一吃就好,不吃就死。不过反正fauci也不是好东西,管他说什么呢
Americans shouldn't assume hydroxychloroquine is a "knockout drug" in preventing or treating COVID-19, White House health advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci warned Friday.
"We still need to do the definitive studies to determine whether any intervention, not just this one, is truly safe and effective,"
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/03/coronavirus-fauci-warns-americans-shouldnt-assume-hydroxychloroquine-is-a-knockout-drug.html
A New York doctor hopes to help his elderly COVID-19 patients with a treatment plan inspired by the success tentatively being reported with hydroxychloroquine — and which he says shows promising results.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/04/long-island-doctor-tries-new-hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19-patients/
这种新闻和国内五毛信誓旦旦说是美国投毒一样……
总有人会信 诓的一个是一个
什么?你说楼主说的不对吗?不应该轻症人人吃氯喹??你有证据吗???
因为总统说是神药啊因为床铺说他什么都懂
他本来就应该去做医生 而不是总统的
这个不是为了反川。twitter说美国各地医院都有往大里报新冠死亡数,是为了跟上面要钱。
我打算去把我经本楼启发悟到的真相也发一个,就是Cuomo投毒的!
这个我有同感。纽约州长和市长的一些行为一直都很可疑。
1. 一方面积极上电视,天天在民众前刷存在感 ----- 这个叫雷声大
2. 一方面采取放任的措施,比如很晚才禁止公立学校停课 ----- 这个叫雨点小
美国ny烂透了连医院都撒谎....
啊 不对 这肯定是政府的错
左派该死……
ny人拿命去填吧……
利令智昏说的就是州长这样的人
他要那么多呼吸机存着可以升值吗?
民主党左棍的风度真是好。
你们纽约人....接着去挤越来越少的地铁吧,接着去领人越来越多的免费盒饭吧,感染了待在家拿着处方没药接着等变重症上呼吸机吧。你们州长已经算好了,43000台呼吸机同时使用。保证你能用上。话说用呼吸机的有80%在48小时内死亡啊。每天死亡16000人,这43000台呼吸机连续工作一个月,死的人也不到一百万。州长万岁!
MTA 别人管不了是事实,但是为什么?兰州的public union就是原因。这些年教育,政府,公共运营机构,都是只拿钱不干事,而且干预选举,谋取利益。这些政客都被工会掐着。public union 就不应该存在
因为他下毒也好不给药也好都是精准打击不投他的人,呼吸机也绝对不给他们,最后剩下的都是投他的,一个不差
我觉得他背后有强大的团队支持,进行了严密的计算,确保万无一失,一灭一准
楼主我帮你完善了一下来龙去脉,快看到我,加到主楼去
MTA这些都是纽约州长市长的老熟人,一条裤子混在一起的
我觉得还不止,这么看很可能纽约的毒都是他投放的,这么大规模test就为了在test过程中下毒,住院之后再继续加大剂量下毒
因为他下毒也好不给药也好都是精准打击不投他的人,呼吸机也绝对不给他们,最后剩下的都是投他的,一个不差
我觉得他背后有强大的团队支持,进行了严密的计算,确保万无一失,一灭一准
楼主我帮你完善了一下来龙去脉,快看到我,加到主楼去
州长有权限,反而总统没有。州长可以下令医生不可以subscribe这个药。
你是说只有疯子才支持楼主的意思喽???
这个州长害死人。2015年把买呼吸机的钱都花在非法移民身上。现在就拼命演戏甩锅,找联邦要呼吸机。
别理他就对了。看到主子被大家唾骂就装疯卖傻了。
可怜人必有可恨之处。纽约的腐败绝对是纽约人民自己的错。
纽约人民在我看来就是太懒了,你拿出WA华人对付AA法案的那个劲头儿,三任前州长,各种政客,各种组织,包括自己的American Chinese Leaders, 各种大资本,全滚一边去,我就是要捍卫我的切身利益。有这种精神,还有什么能办不成的?
纽约人不但懒还傻,对自己的切身利益毫不关心,天天看CNN自动被洗脑,人家说啥自己信啥儿,跟着人瞎起哄,搞造神运动。被人卖了,还替人家数钱。
那些敲锣打鼓吹捧他的人都是帮凶
天天在那里演戏
奇怪为什么以前版上没有这么多总统粉,自从Trump竞选就什么牛鬼蛇神都有了。真的是物以类聚,有什么总统就有什么样的粉
不是纽约人,川粉贴的那篇politifact.com的文章MM可以看下
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/02/facebook-posts/chloroquine-not-banned-michigan-new-york-and-nevad/
那篇文章的结论是为了防止stockpiling. 当然人们可以argue这个结论,但是无论怎样说这个举动是故意“投毒”,”用尽办法让疫情恶化”那就是故意歪曲事实了,让病情恶化会对谁有利?不论是Trump, 还是 Cuomo 疫情恶化都对他们不利
“ A Facebook post claims the governors of Michigan, Nevada and New York have ordered banning the use of chloroquine for COVID-19 patients.
Nevada and New York have restricted access to the malaria drug in an effort to limit stockpiling. Each state has exemptions for patients hospitalized with the coronavirus. Michigan has taken no additional regulatory action to restrict access to chloroquine; instead, it has asked prescribers to avoid giving the drug to potential stockpilers. ”
这个还是不要这么说吧。其实我还真不相信政府要管MTA管不了,比如Cuomo动用National Guard 要去收集其他医院/护理所的呼吸机,很有勇气的说,去告我吧,我不能看着纽约人民死。 你这么有英雄气概,怎么就不敢对MTA动手。难道不知道挤到一堆容易传染?本来纽约人民不用这么受罪的。
Byebye,这种论坛只能让给你们这些没人性的人了,就像当初的mitbbs一样了。
你这地洗得毫无逻辑。已经确诊的轻症病人按照处方买限定的量服用,这跟stockpiling有一分钱关系吗?州长偏要禁止,有什么合逻辑的理由吗?这个疫情急如火的州长还有精力去庆祝提前释放的非法移民杀人犯,他当然有充足的动机let Trump fail
你们民主党吃人血馒头的丑态确实令人作呕。当初open border也是你们,二月末希拉里跑到中餐馆鼓励消费,三月份纽约市长州长出来呼吁大家坐地铁,逼逼川普独裁的也是你们,逼逼川普不做事的还是你们,阻挡政府救济法案塞环保垃圾的还是你们。就是你们这些人渣接着灾难吃人血馒头