华人上的大神们,你们觉得这次OPEC能谈成吗

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wangluhoho
楼主 (北美华人网)
这要是谈妥了,股市是不是又要涨起来了?现在油股已经飙起来了。各路大神,给小白们分析分析吧。
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leojjf
不看好,对普京来说,现在是美国最脆弱的时候,也是消灭页岩油最好的时候,轻易放手?普京答应吗?
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xiaojiejie
不看好,对普京来说,现在是美国最脆弱的时候,也是消灭页岩油最好的时候,轻易放手?普京答应吗?
leojjf 发表于 4/3/2020 12:17:44 PM


现在这个价格连沙特都顶不住,更别说老毛子了。
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wangluhoho
回复 3楼xiaojiejie的帖子 是啊,看了一下新闻,感觉双方大有妥协的意思啊,估计要成
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itmm
这要是谈妥了,股市是不是又要涨起来了?现在油股已经飙起来了。各路大神,给小白们分析分析吧。

wangluhoho 发表于 4/3/2020 11:39:57 AM


油股开盘涨了一下而已,其后大都高开低走抹去涨幅。

疫情算得上百年一遇,
谈不谈的成影响不了供需大趋势,
油价大概率还是会跌的重到20或以下
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wangluhoho
回复 5楼itmm的帖子 大神说的太对了,关键还是供需,现在疫情影响,需求大降,看来关键还是看疫情走势
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leojjf
回复 3楼xiaojiejie的帖子 普京本来就准备把油价拉倒20美元以下,俄罗斯准备用自己几千亿美元的外储至少把价格战打2年。页岩油的成本好象是35-40美元区间,短期不可能重新拉回30美元以上。普京下的是盘大棋,现在是千载难逢的打垮页岩油的机会,无论是沙特还是普京,都不愿轻易松手。这石油战才打了不到一个月就不打了?过家家呢。。 反正现在全世界都封国了,大家的依存关系都断了,正是战争的温床,就拼谁更能耗。
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lvk
回复 3楼xiaojiejie的帖子

普京本来就准备把油价拉倒20美元以下,俄罗斯准备用自己几千亿美元的外储至少把价格战打2年。页岩油的成本好象是35-40美元区间,短期不可能重新拉回30美元以上。普京下的是盘大棋,现在是千载难逢的打垮页岩油的机会,无论是沙特还是普京,都不愿轻易松手。这石油战才打了不到一个月就不打了?过家家呢。。
反正现在全世界都封国了,大家的依存关系都断了,正是战争的温床,就拼谁更能耗。
leojjf 发表于 4/3/2020 1:36:21 PM


这次美国暴露的问题太多,众目睽睽之下不堪目睹。油价可能继续下跌…… 美国继续被打脸。
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wangluhoho
回复 7楼leojjf的帖子 听这位大神一分析,马上又感觉这事很焦灼啊。天啊,好期待4月6号开会的结果啊
我只是个小号
页岩油究竟是啥东西哦,能不能诶解释下
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goldengate
回复 3楼xiaojiejie的帖子

普京本来就准备把油价拉倒20美元以下,俄罗斯准备用自己几千亿美元的外储至少把价格战打2年。页岩油的成本好象是35-40美元区间,短期不可能重新拉回30美元以上。普京下的是盘大棋,现在是千载难逢的打垮页岩油的机会,无论是沙特还是普京,都不愿轻易松手。这石油战才打了不到一个月就不打了?过家家呢。。
反正现在全世界都封国了,大家的依存关系都断了,正是战争的温床,就拼谁更能耗。
leojjf 发表于 4/3/2020 1:36:21 PM

虽然我觉得他是想打,但是拿自己的家底赔上,有这么玩的吗?为了让对手死,然后自己先自杀?万一美国政府bail out 呢?白干。还不如让美国加入大家一起减产。而且油价一起来,页岩油还是要再死灰复燃。又不是说死了就永远死了。
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wangluhoho
回复 7楼leojjf的帖子 俄罗斯为啥要把油价拉的这么低啊?俄罗斯的油成本很低吗?沙特不是更低?
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enginex
好像俄罗斯最近也没有增产 现在打价格战就是损人不利己的行为 现在demand低迷还over supply 我觉得打不了两年 半年到一年就差不多了 长了谁也扛不住
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wangluhoho
OPEC会议推迟了,感觉大佬们之间不是很和气啊
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itmm
OPEC会议推迟了,感觉大佬们之间不是很和气啊
wangluhoho 发表于 4/4/2020 9:48:52 AM


好不容易周4,5反弹两天,周一危矣


Oil set to ‘crater’ Monday as OPEC meeting delayed, tensions flare between Saudi Arabia and Russia
The virtual meeting between OPEC and its allies scheduled for Monday has been postponed, sources familiar with the matter told CNBC, amid mounting tensions between Saudi Arabia and Russia. The meeting will now “likely” be held on Thursday, sources said.
The Monday meeting was set after President Donald Trump said to CNBC on Thursday that he expected Russian President Vladimir Putin and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman to announce a deal to cut production by up to 15 million barrels, and that he had spoken to both countries’ leaders.
The delay is likely to hit oil prices next week following a record-setting comeback week for crude. U.S. oil surged 25% on Thursday for its best day on record, and gained another 12% on Friday. It finished the week with a 32% surge, breaking a 5-week losing streak and posting its best weekly performance ever, back to the contract’s inception in 1983.
“It’s probably going to crater,” Again Capital’s John Kilduff said. “There was a lot of optimism priced into oil Thursday and Friday. With this new Saudi, Russia spat, it doesn’t look like it’s going to come together.”
Despite last week’s surge, West Texas Intermediate crude is still down nearly 40% in the last month on the heels of demand destruction from the coronavirus outbreak, and the price war between Saudi Arabia and Russia.
Friday’s jump was fueled by a Reuters report that OPEC+ was contemplating a production cut equivalent to about 10% of world supply, and that Putin said a cut of 10 million barrels a day appeared possible.
Both Saudi Arabia and Russia have sought U.S. cooperation in balancing the world oil supply. American drillers are still pumping near record levels as the world is coming to the edge of its ability to store oil.
U.S. oil executives met with the president Friday at the White House, and there was speculation he would ask them to cooperate in cuts. No agreement came of the meeting, but Trump did seem to reflect an industry view that market forces should determine prices.
“These are great companies and they’ll figure it out,” he said at a White House briefing following his meeting with the energy CEOs. “It’s a free market, they’ll figure it out.”
At its March meeting, OPEC proposed cutting production by 1.5 million barrels per day in an effort to combat the demand slowdown, but OPEC-ally Russia rejected the additional cuts. The meeting ended with no agreement, and in retaliation Saudi Arabia slashed its oil prices in an effort to gain market share, and subsequently increased its production to a record high of more than 12 million barrels per day.
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aoiqa
市场萎缩,30刀一桶也没人买,这两个老鼠屎国家能坚持多久?
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We_the_people
不看好,对普京来说,现在是美国最脆弱的时候,也是消灭页岩油最好的时候,轻易放手?普京答应吗?
leojjf 发表于 4/3/2020 12:17:44 PM

又是一个翻墙出来的ID,普京能浇灭美国页岩油?理由呢?
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We_the_people
页岩油究竟是啥东西哦,能不能诶解释下
我只是个小号 发表于 4/3/2020 1:50:14 PM

页岩层的石油,需要额外的提炼技术所以成本也比普通石油高一点,一般成本在30美元左右
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Cybercat
小伙伴们周五卖了吗?
额牛
油价已经涨了,trump一施压
问题是涨也涨不多
Shale is a boom that will go busted . 美国的大的integrated companies 能survive 说不定还能benefit from 疫情完了后的pent up demand
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wangluhoho
小伙伴们周五卖了吗?
Cybercat 发表于 4/4/2020 9:19:25 PM

没卖的下周还有希望跑掉吗
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mannbo
这个会议开不开得成都难说。沙特的意思是要美国也加入进来,要减产大家一起减产。但Trump即使一百个愿意为了股市去参加,去了也没用,他代表不了德州石油大佬。可得僵持一阵子呢。
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Linwuduck
普金正利用这个机会让西方文明社会接受他
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mannbo
普金正利用这个机会让西方文明社会接受他
Linwuduck 发表于 4/4/2020 10:04:51 PM


最终结果是普金是赢家,从美国这边得些好处,然后似乎卖美国一个面子和沙特达成deal, 但完成deal后,油价仍然下跌。美国啥也没得到。