“That is incorrect and grossly uninformed. The point is, we have ventilators in a stockpile and we didn’t send them to the hospital yet. Of course we didn’t — that’s the whole point. The hospitals don’t need them yet. The hospitals aren’t at their apex. The hospitals have enough ventilators today, but their numbers are going up. We’re planning for an apex, a high point, in about 21 days – that’s when we need the 30,000 ventilators, not today. Right now we’re putting them in a stockpile," Cuomo added. "So the point is, ‘well they’re in a stockpile, you must not need them is just ignorant – of course you don’t need them today! You need them when you hit the apex, which is 30,000. We’re not there yet," he said. 滔滔两岸潮 发表于 3/27/2020 11:22:53 PM [url=https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2525602&postid=83344841#83344841][img][/img][/url]
这有什么问题吗？解释的很清楚了啊，像fed要呼吸机，催着trump启动dpa生产呼吸机，都是 plan for apex 啊～ 现在并没有呼吸机明显急缺的情况，而是ppe有缺（met short-term need though） 这贴骂骂骂骂个什么自己知道吗？？？
这是怎么回事？ [url=https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-27-20-intl-hnk/h_088272bb20c9f80d02f67f69ba5f5421]https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-27-20-intl-hnk/h_088272bb20c9f80d02f67f69ba5f5421[/url] Here's what Cuomo said: “That is incorrect and grossly uninformed. The point is, we have ventilators in a stockpile and we didn’t send them to the hospital yet. Of course we didn’t — that’s the whole point. The hospitals don’t need them yet. The hospitals aren’t at their apex. The hospitals have enough ventilators today, but their numbers are going up. We’re planning for an apex, a high point, in about 21 days – that’s when we need the 30,000 ventilators, not today. Right now we’re putting them in a stockpile," Cuomo added. "So the point is, ‘well they’re in a stockpile, you must not need them is just ignorant – of course you don’t need them today! You need them when you hit the apex, which is 30,000. We’re not there yet," he said.
这是怎么回事？ [url=https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-27-20-intl-hnk/h_088272bb20c9f80d02f67f69ba5f5421]https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-27-20-intl-hnk/h_088272bb20c9f80d02f67f69ba5f5421[/url] Here's what Cuomo said: “That is incorrect and grossly uninformed. The point is, we have ventilators in a stockpile and we didn’t send them to the hospital yet. Of course we didn’t — that’s the whole point. The hospitals don’t need them yet. The hospitals aren’t at their apex. The hospitals have enough ventilators today, but their numbers are going up. We’re planning for an apex, a high point, in about 21 days – that’s when we need the 30,000 ventilators, not today. Right now we’re putting them in a stockpile," Cuomo added. "So the point is, ‘well they’re in a stockpile, you must not need them is just ignorant – of course you don’t need them today! You need them when you hit the apex, which is 30,000. We’re not there yet," he said. 滔滔两岸潮 发表于 3/27/2020 11:22:00 PM [url=https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=83344841&postid=83344841#83344841][img][/img][/url]
这是怎么回事？ [url=https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-27-20-intl-hnk/h_088272bb20c9f80d02f67f69ba5f5421]https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-27-20-intl-hnk/h_088272bb20c9f80d02f67f69ba5f5421[/url] Here's what Cuomo said: “That is incorrect and grossly uninformed. The point is, we have ventilators in a stockpile and we didn’t send them to the hospital yet. Of course we didn’t — that’s the whole point. The hospitals don’t need them yet. The hospitals aren’t at their apex. The hospitals have enough ventilators today, but their numbers are going up. We’re planning for an apex, a high point, in about 21 days – that’s when we need the 30,000 ventilators, not today. Right now we’re putting them in a stockpile," Cuomo added. "So the point is, ‘well they’re in a stockpile, you must not need them is just ignorant – of course you don’t need them today! You need them when you hit the apex, which is 30,000. We’re not there yet," he said. 滔滔两岸潮 发表于 3/27/2020 11:22:53 PM
这是怎么回事？ [url=https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-27-20-intl-hnk/h_088272bb20c9f80d02f67f69ba5f5421]https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-27-20-intl-hnk/h_088272bb20c9f80d02f67f69ba5f5421[/url] Here's what Cuomo said: “That is incorrect and grossly uninformed. The point is, we have ventilators in a stockpile and we didn’t send them to the hospital yet. Of course we didn’t — that’s the whole point. The hospitals don’t need them yet. The hospitals aren’t at their apex. The hospitals have enough ventilators today, but their numbers are going up. We’re planning for an apex, a high point, in about 21 days – that’s when we need the 30,000 ventilators, not today. Right now we’re putting them in a stockpile," Cuomo added. "So the point is, ‘well they’re in a stockpile, you must not need them is just ignorant – of course you don’t need them today! You need them when you hit the apex, which is 30,000. We’re not there yet," he said. 滔滔两岸潮 发表于 3/27/2020 11:22:00 PM
“That is incorrect and grossly uninformed. The point is, we have ventilators in a stockpile and we didn’t send them to the hospital yet. Of course we didn’t — that’s the whole point. The hospitals don’t need them yet. The hospitals aren’t at their apex. The hospitals have enough ventilators today, but their numbers are going up. We’re planning for an apex, a high point, in about 21 days – that’s when we need the 30,000 ventilators, not today. Right now we’re putting them in a stockpile," Cuomo added. "So the point is, ‘well they’re in a stockpile, you must not need them is just ignorant – of course you don’t need them today! You need them when you hit the apex, which is 30,000. We’re not there yet," he said. 滔滔两岸潮 发表于 3/27/2020 11:22:53 PM
“That is incorrect and grossly uninformed. The point is, we have ventilators in a stockpile and we didn’t send them to the hospital yet. Of course we didn’t — that’s the whole point. The hospitals don’t need them yet. The hospitals aren’t at their apex. The hospitals have enough ventilators today, but their numbers are going up. We’re planning for an apex, a high point, in about 21 days – that’s when we need the 30,000 ventilators, not today. Right now we’re putting them in a stockpile," Cuomo added. "So the point is, ‘well they’re in a stockpile, you must not need them is just ignorant – of course you don’t need them today! You need them when you hit the apex, which is 30,000. We’re not there yet," he said. 滔滔两岸潮 发表于 3/27/2020 11:22:53 PM
医生都觉得不是ideal situation，为什么不把stockpile拿出来用，到真正shortage的时候再分呢 Doctors at Columbia University Irving Medical Center have two patients at a time on some ventilators. Jeremy Beitler, a pulmonary disease specialist at the hospital that is part of the NewYork-Presbyterian health system, declined to say how many patients are being treated this way. He said the hospital began the effort in recent days, with the approval of several regulatory agencies and is “scaling up” in response to the shortage.
re 从他几天前张嘴要三万我就说他吃相太难看。一个呼吸机可以两个病人用，3万台6个病人，按照5%需要呼吸机的比例算要120万确诊，还没算纽约本来就有的和他自己搞来的。如果真预计要这么严重，为什么不肯早点停工停学，把精力都放在哭穷抢资源上了。说的好听先抢过来等纽约高峰过去了再给别的州，吃到嘴里的难道还能指望他吐出来？大家同步指数涨，等他高峰过了，别的州的重症也死的差不多了。
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这有什么问题吗？解释的很清楚了啊，像fed要呼吸机，催着trump启动dpa生产呼吸机，都是 plan for apex 啊～
现在并没有呼吸机明显急缺的情况，而是ppe有缺（met short-term need though）
这贴骂骂骂骂个什么自己知道吗？？？
🛋️ 沙发板凳
你觉得这时候这种行为算不算失职呢？借口和理由都会找么！
真的太不要脸了，守着一大堆，不往医院发，说医院今天用不上...
这是先拖死纽约，然后把其他州的资源也抢到手吗？
我也在想，川粉们不应该觉得只是大号flu， 准备马上复工吗？！
现在各州都在抱怨政府不统一协调，然后各自又要为自己州准备，结果大家都在提价抢医疗资源
没有误导。看看CNN也是说的同样的事。这几天纽约医生不是说现在一线没有呼吸机吗？其实是有，但州长及其团队失职，没有发给前线医务人员。。
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.breitbart.com/health/2020/02/28/pollak-5-reasons-to-stop-freaking-out-about-coronavirus/amp/ 从来不看他家，随便一搜一个月前的
他一直说的是为三周后的高峰做准备啊！现在纽约住院病人没有过万。
这是怎么回事？美国PPE不够，大家责怪政府头两个月没有早做准备。现在纽约州长未雨绸缪，为什么也要被骂？
你不看新闻的？Cuomo每天的briefing 上，数字都摆的清清楚楚的
上面库默的解释完全合理，他认为会用到这么多，所以要准备，而不是已经需要使用这么多。
每个州都有这个需要，全部给你怎么行。现在你还有就不应该给你。就算你紧急了，也可以稍等马上买到的或者正在生产的。一次过就吃完大户，你自己舒服了，全美国等死？
这个真的有点过分，佛州也很需要啊，我在FB群里看到好几艘cruise ship加速向迈阿密过去了，有点替佛州人民担心……
未雨绸缪没问题，这是为什么要gm生产呼吸机。
问题是前几天，纽约医生说没有呼吸机，we are lying. 但纽约州长是有，但没有发到前线。
看纽约医生拍的医院，她感叹说天呢只有五台呼吸机，州长不太好意思说现在医院不需要吧
纽约自己掏钱满世界买了7000台 ，联邦说给400，被骂了以后，松口说给4000，还没有到帐。纽约现在不到1万人住院，但是三周后预计是14万人住院，需要3万呼吸机，现在是为那个高峰做准备。
每个州都会要很多。你还有就可以等下一批。又不是说永远不给你了。
芝加哥也不少了，爆起来也会很糟，我们州一共就2200个，州长费劲巴力才又要来300个。
明明已经在仓库里还说没有到账。
是有五台还没用的。不是只有五台。
你不看CNN, 也可以看NBC, ABC等等啊。选择性盯着Breitbart 川粉小报看，不算失明？
你说几个不是fake的
那他们就骂他们州长。
你连英语新闻都不太看吧？我从来没有误解过他。上个星期，他说的是高峰期预计11万住院，这周说疫情发展比预计的快，上调到14万住院。
就想知道其他州不需要为高峰做准备吗？
没看见纽约自己买了7000台到仓库？我还真没看见联邦的4000台到仓库的新闻，麻烦您给个LINK？
本来联邦制就是自治的啊
今天川普开新闻发布会说的。连仓库地址都给出来了。你自己去看。
同想知道
其他州也可以预测高峰在哪里，可以未雨绸缪，可以找联邦哭穷，可以自己花钱去买。。。目前的情况是，全国一半的病人在纽约，纽约会最早进入高峰，病人也会最多。
A New York hospital is treating two patients on a device intended for one
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/a-new-york-hospital-desperate-for-ventilators-is-treating-two-patients-on-a-device-intended-for-one/2020/03/27/21c8ae7c-702a-11ea-aa80-c2470c6b2034_story.html
他要21天以后才要三万。现在联邦剩一万库存，他想都给他。已经给了他4000.你说有这样的吗？你还有21天，你等几天下一批也来得及。吃相这么难看。有人还要他当总统，我呸。
你不仇视纽约的话，建议你去听听州长每天的briefing. 比川大嘴说的有料多了
州长不给他们，建议他们上电视哭。
目前纽约有全美一半的cases，纽约的高峰显然会先到。他之前解释过的，纽约缓过来后会去帮助其他需要帮助的地方。现在的形势就是希望大家待家里减少传染和被传染的机会，把这个曲线压下来，或者滞后，目前来看纽约比其他地方至少提前一两周，呼吸机需求要早，肯定先给需要的地方，别的地方目前需求没有这么高。
我就看见他说纽约不需要那么多。联邦运了多少？
为什么只有纽约会最早进入高峰？新泽西这么小的地方都快一万了，还有路易斯安那，密歇根等等。
大家都差不多时间进入高峰。这些州不需要吗？
没错。联邦给4000剩下的给其他州我觉得更没错。要川普真全给了他才脑残。
到时候他拿着全美的呼吸机他可以当总统了由他分配是吧？
州长briefing的时候说了，现在呼吸机经过改造，可以安全地提供两个病人使用，这样也减轻了呼吸机短缺的压力。
高峰也是两个人用一个，因为弄不到３万个
全美一半的病例在NY，NJ一个州还没有NYC一个市多
医生都觉得不是ideal situation，为什么不把stockpile拿出来用，到真正shortage的时候再分呢
Doctors at Columbia University Irving Medical Center have two patients at a time on some ventilators. Jeremy Beitler, a pulmonary disease specialist at the hospital that is part of the NewYork-Presbyterian health system, declined to say how many patients are being treated this way.
He said the hospital began the effort in recent days, with the approval of several regulatory agencies and is “scaling up” in response to the shortage.
4000啊。已经在仓库里。
但是纽约州现在要联邦把所有的呼吸机都给他，为的是三周以后的需要，你觉得合理吗？
如果这段时间其他州有需要呢？
我不住纽约，这个对我没什么切身利益。美国又不是只有这一万台呼吸机，再说外面也在生产，还能再买。他作为州长，每天六七千的增长和一百多死亡，他要为接下来的几周做最坏打算我觉得没有问题。
所以啊，NY抗疫战就是全美的关键点，NY崩则全国崩
他又不是不知道联邦现在有多少。现在川普是有不给他吗？联邦不能只给他一个人。你可以说你需要很多，现在已经大量生产，一刻都不能等吗？就是玩党争的把戏。他自己仓库里的都没发出去给医院就别说别人了。
re 从他几天前张嘴要三万我就说他吃相太难看。一个呼吸机可以两个病人用，3万台6个病人，按照5%需要呼吸机的比例算要120万确诊，还没算纽约本来就有的和他自己搞来的。如果真预计要这么严重，为什么不肯早点停工停学，把精力都放在哭穷抢资源上了。说的好听先抢过来等纽约高峰过去了再给别的州，吃到嘴里的难道还能指望他吐出来？大家同步指数涨，等他高峰过了，别的州的重症也死的差不多了。
task force说纽约出去的现在开始需要自我隔离14天，纽约州的卫生部长说没必要。
你觉得这个也合理？
我觉得不合理，但是会哭的孩子有奶吃啊！公司里抢资源也一样，你要10分的东西，必须去争取12分，然后才可能打折拿到八九分啊。。。他本来也不可能把全国的呼吸机都拿过来，其他州的州长都是沙子吗？但是，这个是从资源配置的角度。
从需求的角度，他想囤3万，他说有3万的需求，他现在就开始囤货，根本是无可厚非的。
nj就是ny的住宅区吧。都是在ny上班的人。这一片都是一起的。就是不知道ny的呼吸机nj用不用的上。
中国被其他国家封的时候也这样说，其他国家听中国的话就放水了吗？嘴炮而已，没有半点行政效力
所以总统一巴掌扇过去扇的对，你手里几颗糖够你吃两天了。