美国科学界,医学界前面对疫情有误判,现在在治疗上,是不是也有误判。

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fufusix
楼主 (北美华人网)
隔壁在家隔离楼有感,如果说科学界对疫情误判大家有争议的话,现在在治疗上的误判,轻症在家隔离,错过治疗的最佳窗口,大家都是可以看得到吧。
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headset
隔壁在家隔离楼有感,如果说科学界对疫情误判大家有争议的话,现在在治疗上的误判,轻症在家隔离,错过治疗的最佳窗口,大家都是可以看得到吧。

fufusix 发表于 3/25/2020 5:48:29 AM


单从治疗上来讲,没有太大问题。如果轻症都跑医院治疗,医疗系统很快就会被挤垮。但是可以考虑建隔离点,中国的数据是70%左右的人是被家人传染,因此在家隔离很容易造成更多传染。当然,美国居住条件较好,在家隔离不难做到保护家人。但是需要一定的防护知识,这是大多数老百姓所缺乏的。

所以。如果有些州建立隔离点的话,还是去隔离点隔离较好。按现在这个态势,应该会有些州建这种隔离点。实际也不难,就是租用一些宾馆,作一些改造。
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santal
那楼主去调研取证吧。别和钟南山似的,说“不一定”,也别和赵立坚似的,说“可能”。说就说点有证据的。喜欢瞎猜,然后浪费大家时间给你科普,挺没意思的
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单从治疗上来讲,没有太大问题。如果轻症都跑医院治疗,医疗系统很快就会被挤垮。但是可以考虑建隔离点,中国的数据是70%左右的人是被家人传染,因此在家隔离很容易造成更多传染。当然,美国居住条件较好,在家隔离不难做到保护家人。但是需要一定的防护知识,这是大多数老百姓所缺乏的。

所以。如果有些州建立隔离点的话,还是去隔离点隔离较好。按现在这个态势,应该会有些州建这种隔离点。实际也不难,就是租用一些宾馆,作一些改造。

headset 发表于 3/25/2020 6:05:41 AM

轻症不住院但是应该给药。
另外赞同你说的应该给一个隔离的option,比如有的人家里隔离条件不好就应该给他们一个选择的option。

还有我觉得现在还让医护在家里吃住是个问题。应该给医护旅店提供所有服务,既解决生活问题也避免他们和外界接触。
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fufusix
那楼主去调研取证吧。别和钟南山似的,说“不一定”,也别和赵立坚似的,说“可能”。说就说点有证据的。喜欢瞎猜,然后浪费大家时间给你科普,挺没意思的
santal 发表于 3/25/2020 6:10:57 AM

韩国一个成功经验是早检测,早治疗,积极治疗轻症患者,轻症不拖成重症,才不会挤兑医院系统。
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funkey
轻症有什么方法可以不转重症吗?我以为只是概率问题 轻症也没有治疗的手段啊?
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vincentsjtu
无法理解为何可以误判 他们都看到中国的悲剧了吧
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fufusix
轻症有什么方法可以不转重症吗?我以为只是概率问题
轻症也没有治疗的手段啊?
funkey 发表于 3/25/2020 7:34:56 AM

Antiviral 的药只有在早期轻症时最有效。
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blueskybaby
我只想说 仅我了解的英国和美国的科学界和医疗界没有误判 只是做决策的人不是科学界和医疗界的 你如果看到做流行病相关的researchers 你就能看到他们眼里的暗淡 所以为了关键时刻能被听到 必须要追求政治权利
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fufusix
我只想说 仅我了解的英国和美国的科学界和医疗界没有误判 只是做决策的人不是科学界和医疗界的 你如果看到做流行病相关的researchers 你就能看到他们眼里的暗淡 所以为了关键时刻能被听到 必须要追求政治权利
blueskybaby 发表于 3/25/2020 7:52:56 AM


https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-anthony-fauci-slams-media-for-attempting-to-create-a-rift-between-him-and-trump-i-wish-that-would-stop
Dr. Anthony Fauci slammed the media's ongoing attempt to "pit" him against President Trump, expressing his desire for that to stop.
Appearing on the radio show "Mornings on the Mall" on Tuesday, Dr. Fauci was asked about the growing number of stories that depict an apparent tension between him and President Trump. "I wanted to ask you about something that I've seen transpiring over the past couple of days, especially as it relates to you. It seems like increasingly a bunch of the questions from the media are designed to create a rift between you and the president of the United States. Or at least to sort of emphasize differences of opinion in a way that creates distance between you and the president. Are you sensing that as the media continuously asks you questions about the differences you have with him?" co-host Vince Coglianese asked. "That is really unfortunate," Dr. Fauci responded. "I would wish that would stop because we have a much bigger problem here than trying to point out differences. They're really fundamentally at the core when you look at things, they are not differences." He continued, "The president has listened to what I've said and to the other people who are on the task force have said. When I've made recommendations, he has taken them. He has never countered, overwritten me. The idea of just pitting one against the other is not helpful. I wish that would stop and that we'd look ahead at the challenge we have to get over this thing."
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hongmaoyi
科学界没有误判,只是他们不是做决策的人
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lastunas
回复 1楼fufusix的帖子 一旦病很重了,那些药根本没用。现在人民的希望也搞不到了。
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fufusix
科学界没有误判,只是他们不是做决策的人
hongmaoyi 发表于 3/25/2020 8:06:38 AM


听听Dr。 Fauci的怎么说:
He continued, "The president has listened to what I've said and to the other people who are on the task force have said. When I've made recommendations, he has taken them. He has never countered, overwritten me. The idea of just pitting one against the other is not helpful. I wish that would stop and that we'd look ahead at the challenge we have to get over this thing."
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happlen
高危人群(如老年人)轻症是给药的,低危人群(如年轻人)重症也是给药的,基本上只有低危人群轻症才不给药。 我觉得谈不上误判,但确实很谨慎是真的。NIH和FDA看得出都很谨慎。