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https://www.wsj.com/articles/marines-plan-to-retool-to-meet-china-threat-11584897014?mod=hp_lead_pos7
Marines Plan to Retool to Meet China Threat
The Marine Corps is undertaking its most sweeping transformation in decades, pivoting from a focus on fighting insurgents in the Middle East to developing the ability to hop from island to island in the western Pacific to bottle up the Chinese fleet.
The 10-year plan to revamp the Corps, scheduled to be unveiled this week, follows years of classified U.S. wargames that revealed China’s missile and naval forces to be eroding American military advantages in the region.
“China, in terms of military capability, is the pacing threat,” Gen. David Berger, the Marine Corps commandant, said in an interview. “If we did nothing, we would be passed.”
To reinvent themselves as a naval expeditionary force within budget limits, the Marines plan to get rid of all of their tanks, cut back on their aircraft and shrink in total numbers from 189,000 to as few as 170,000, Gen. Berger said.

Gen. David Berger, the Marine Corps commandant, is directing the restructuring of the Marines. Photo: SAUL LOEB/Agence France-Presse/Getty Images
“I have come to the conclusion that we need to contract the size of the Marine Corps to get quality,” he said.
The changes are part of a broad shift by all branches of the armed forces, which are honing new fighting concepts and planning to spend billions of dollars on what the Pentagon projects will be an era of intensified competition with China and Russia.
Among an array of new high-tech programs, the Air Force is developing a hypersonic missile that would travel five times the speed of sound, and has been experimenting with the “loyal wingman,” an unmanned aircraft that would carry bombs and fly in formations with piloted planes.
The Army, which has established a Futures Command to oversee its transformation, tested a cannon at the Yuma Proving Ground earlier this month that fired shells about 40 miles—roughly twice the range of current systems. The Navy, for its part, has been developing tactics to disperse aircraft carrier battle groups to make them a less inviting target for Chinese medium-range missiles, and it is pursuing the development of unmanned submarines and ships.

Defense Secretary Mark Esper has vowed to make this the year when the Defense Department moves toward “full, irreversible implementation” of the strategy shift. The Pentagon’s $705 billion spending request for the 2021 fiscal year includes the largest research-and-development budget in 70 years: nearly $107 billion.
Nearly 20 years ago, the military was pivoting in a very different direction. After decades of preparing for combat with Soviet forces and other large conventional armies, U.S. troops found themselves battling militants in Iraq and Afghanistan who used suicide car bombs and roadside explosives but had no air force or heavy mechanized forces. Focused on its counterinsurgency mission, the Army allowed its capabilities for electronic warfare to atrophy while the Pentagon trimmed funds for other major weapon systems.
While the U.S. focused on the Middle East, however, China and Russia worked on systems to thwart the American military’s ability to assemble forces near their regions and command them in battle. If war broke out, U.S. officials concluded, China could fire hundreds of missiles at U.S. and allies’ air bases, ports and command centers throughout the Pacific, jam the U.S. military’s GPS, attack American satellite systems and use its air defenses to keep U.S. warplanes at bay.
Russia similarly would use the surface-to-surface missiles, air defenses and antiship missiles deployed in Kaliningrad and on the Crimean peninsula in the Black Sea, which Moscow seized from Ukraine in 2014.

A Marine fighting in Afghanistan in 2009. The restructuring focuses on the western Pacific, not land wars against insurgents. Photo: Joe Raedle/Getty Images
U.S. officials worry that, even in peacetime, China’s and Russia’s new capabilities could become a means of political coercion, threatening America’s ability to defend allies and partners, from Taiwan to the Baltic states, who might conclude that Washington would be hard put to protect them.
The Chinese and Russian advances led the Pentagon to conclude that the U.S. was entering a new age of great-power conflict. A sobering assessment of how U.S. forces would match up against their rivals was prepared by the Pentagon’s Office of Net Assessment and the Rand Corp., a research center that carries out classified analysis for the government, and presented to then Defense Secretary Jim Mattis soon after he took office in 2017.
Before he resigned in December 2018, Mr. Mattis oversaw the development of a new national defense strategy, which asserted that the long-term competition with China and Russia was the Pentagon’s top priorities and cast North Korea, Iran and terrorists as lesser dangers.
The current Pentagon leadership remains committed to the strategy, which has spawned a new vernacular, including concepts like “joint all-domain command and control”—a targeting and command-and-control system that would connect all forces on the battlefield.
The Pentagon’s new strategy faces some significant obstacles. One big one is that the defense budget is more likely to stay flat or even contract over the next several years in the face of soaring federal deficits than to grow at the 3% to 5% rate, after inflation, that Mr. Esper has urged.
Another question is whether Washington will be able to concentrate on the Chinese and Russian threats given persistent tensions with Iran—the product of the Trump administration’s “maximum pressure campaign” of imposing severe sanctions against Tehran, and the Iranian regime’s determination to keep supporting militant groups in the Middle East.
Earlier this month, following missile attacks by Iran and repeated rocket firings by Iranian-backed Shiite militants, Gen. Frank McKenzie, head of Central Command, which oversees military operations in the Middle East, said the U.S. is keeping two aircraft carriers in the region and will move Patriot antimissile batteries into Iraq to protect bases where U.S. and coalition troops are located.
Regardless, the Pentagon leadership says the budgetary priority is planning for future war. “It makes no sense to buy stuff that isn’t in alignment with” the new defense strategy, Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, told Congress this month.

China’s missile and naval forces are eroding U.S. military advantages in the western Pacific. Photo: Weng Qiyu/Imaginechina/Zuma Press
To free up funds for the future projects, the military is planning to retire older but still functioning weapons systems. That would add to the strains it faces in carrying out its current missions before new systems come online.
“We’ll end up having to take some more risks in the next couple of years,” said Air Force Lt. Gen. Mark Kelly. The Air Force is planning to retire 17 B-1 bombers, 44 A-10 attack planes, as well as 16 KC-10 and 13 KC-135 refueling tankers, so it can channel more spending to future projects.
Within the military, nobody is proposing more far-reaching changes than Gen. Berger. He served as the top Marine commander in the Pacific, then headed the Marines’ Combat Development Command in Quantico, Va., which develops war-fighting concepts and oversees training. The command has run classified wargames such as “Pacific Surprise” and “Ghost Fleet,” which looked at how the Marines might counter the Chinese threat in the decade ahead.
For the Marines, the new Pentagon strategy raised questions about whether it should adapt for a toe-to-toe fight against China or should concentrate on lesser but still challenging dangers.
“The wargames do show that, absent significant change, the Marine Corps will not be in a position to be relevant” in a clash with a “peer competitor,” said Lt. Gen. Eric Smith, who succeeded Gen. Berger as the head of that command.
Gen. Berger’s answer was to reconfigure the Corps to focus on a China threat. The Marines would fight within reach of Chinese missiles, planes and naval forces to blunt any aggression. While other services might lob missiles from long range, the Marines, in military parlance, would operate inside “the weapons engagement zone.”

A landing craft packed with Marines approached the shore in the Marshall Islands in 1944, during World War II. Photo: U.S. Coast Guard/ASSOCIATED PRESS
Some retired Marines caution that too heavy a focus on China may make the Corps less flexible in dealing with conflicts that might erupt in the Middle East and other distant regions, which they consider to be more likely.
“I think it is a mistake to organize yourself in a way to go after a specific region,” said Anthony Zinni, a retired four-star Marine general who led the Central Command. “Something could happen tomorrow with the Iranians. The answer is to be ready, expeditionary and balanced.”
At the heart of Gen. Berger’s plan is the establishment of new naval expeditionary units—what the Marines call “littoral regiments”—whose mission would be to take on the Chinese navy.
Share Your Thoughts Are the Marines doing the right thing by pivoting to face the China threat? Join the conversation below.


If a military confrontation loomed, the regiments would disperse small teams of Marines, who would rush in sleek landing craft to the tiny islands that dot the South and East China Seas, according to Gen. Berger and other senior Marine officers. Armed with sensor-laden drones that operate in the air, on the sea and underwater, the Marines would target Chinese warships before they ventured into the wider Pacific Ocean. The Marine teams, which could have 50 to 100 personnel, would fire antiship missiles at the Chinese fleet. Targeting data also would be passed to Air Force or Navy units farther away, which would fire longer-range missiles.
To elude retaliatory blows, the Marines would hop from island to island every 48 or 72 hours, relying on a new generation of amphibious ships, which could be piloted remotely. Other Marine teams would operate from U.S. warships with decoy vessels nearby.
Gen. Berger said the wargames showed that the new Marine capabilities and tactics would create “a ton of problems” for the Chinese forces. “It is very difficult for them to counter a distributed naval expeditionary force that is small, that is mobile, but has the capability to reach out and touch you,” he said.
To carry out the strategy, the Marines would deploy new missile batteries, armed drone units and amphibious ships. A major push is being made to ease the logistical burden, such as exploring the use of 3-D printing on the battlefield to make spare parts. The strategy requires deeper integration with the Navy, and Marine teams might perform other missions like refueling submarines or sub-hunting planes. While most of the effort to transform the Corps is focused on the Pacific, the Marines would retain other forces to respond to crises world-wide, including floating 2,200-strong Marine expeditionary units
To fund the new capabilities, the Marines will dispense with all of its tanks over the next few years, eliminate its bridge-laying companies and cut back on aviation and howitzers. “We need an Army with lots of tanks,” Gen. Berger said. “We don’t need a Marine Corps with tanks.”
Some defense experts are supportive of the plan. “China is the major competitor,” said Dakota Wood, a retired Marine lieutenant colonel and a senior research fellow at the Heritage Foundation. “The Marines are rightly stepping out to change their approach to combat.”

A Marine tank during the 2003 invasion of Iraq. The Marines are phasing out all of their tanks. Photo: Joe Raedle/Getty Images
Other retired Marines question the feasibility of putting Marines on tiny islands the Chinese would try to bombard.
“It is very easy when developing concepts on paper to underestimate the challenges of logistics,” said Mark Cancian, a retired Marine colonel with the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a nonpartisan Washington think tank. “With this concept, the Marines need to figure out what in fact is viable and hedge for the possibility that they got it wrong.”
Gen. Berger said that adjusting over the next 10 to 20 years is part of the plan, and that the Marines are proceeding with “the cleared-eyed view that the threat is moving also.”
“Some of the capabilities we assume might pan out, will not pan out, and other technological things will come along that we have not even considered,” he said. The Marines, he said, will use their new plan “as an aim point and monitor the threat all along as we go.”
Write to Michael R. Gordon at [email protected]

 

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tuer
276 楼
准备个屁,一屁股债不解决,一个病弄的天昏地暗。买枪买炮倒是积极的很。买的越多死的越快。苏联的前车之鉴不够他们学的。先把口罩供应上再说吧。
qwerty_sun 发表于 3/22/2020 8:57:11 PM

不是说要中国减免债务吗。。。我突然想到辛丑条约这类的。
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superdog97
275 楼
两边都不会先打,那就让台湾宣布独立好了
charyyu 发表于 3/22/2020 11:28:27 PM


台湾人民投票表决,多数人同意独立,就独立。

不过说分裂,查查历史,就知道中华民国在前。49年中华人民共和国才成立。说到分裂,其实是49年的共和国搞分裂,从中华民国分裂出去了。现在好意思说台湾搞分裂,脸太大了。
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xiaowenchun
274 楼

国内舆论都在说现在是收复台湾的最佳时机

purplelavender 发表于 3/22/2020 10:32:42 PM


那疫尊要是错过了收复台湾的最佳时机,不成了民族罪人吗?
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bababa
273 楼
准备个屁,一屁股债不解决,一个病弄的天昏地暗。买枪买炮倒是积极的很。买的越多死的越快。苏联的前车之鉴不够他们学的。先把口罩供应上再说吧。
qwerty_sun 发表于 3/22/2020 8:57:11 PM
所以才要准备,你个五毛
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bababa
272 楼
太恐怖了。。。。。。难道我们这一代真的会遇上世界大战。。。版上哪些整天喷中国的人,难道真是不怕死的

难道是因为我们喷中国,所以美国要打仗?
nexcare 发表于 3/22/2020 8:55:49 PM
哈哈哈,说得好

 

🛋️ 沙发板凳

不娶何撩
是的,该准备了!
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pwwq
该来的早晚都得来, 新闻能报出开的, 应该都准备好了
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pig0019
准备战争比准备抗疫效率高好多
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bigisland
早该意识到了,美国不能再傻白甜,国内的舆论导向已经是备战状态了
麻辣肚丝
和当年希特勒的招数一模一样
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swing
千万不要热战
彭久舍
打仗对谁有好处? 家人都在国内 打仗的话那股票就不要入了
我是你的朱丽叶
做好准备是对的
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feo
回复 1楼常然的帖子 早就准备打了吧,疫情就是导火索,中国那边应该也早就磨刀霍霍了
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ebc
一声叹息!
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hideandseek
这不真是中国希望看到的吗? 做了那么多准备,不就是希望看到美国如此反应吗?
星球大战
“China, in terms of military capability, is the peacing threat,” Make sense. Any rising power is the peacing threat in front of the ruling power. 修昔底德陷阱 The rising of the US is a peacing threat to confront the UK during the 19th. And so on many cases in history.
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slowdog
美国, WSJ 还有华盛顿邮报, 总算在中共外交部一轮轮的战狼出击下, 给打醒了。
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steveo
不可能直接面对面的热战
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henshuhen
全面冷战
常然
太恐怖了。。。。。。难道我们这一代真的会遇上世界大战。。。版上哪些整天喷中国的人,难道真是不怕死的
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flying3
一帮疯子,打仗只会对独裁者有好处,一将功成万骨枯
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Seeking668
切,就是骗纳税人的钱的
不用说对另一个核国家开战,就是为资本自己的利益也不会对中国开战
更不用说21世纪打的是网络和生物战,美国还自大的以为还是航母时代,早晚会吃亏
这次一个小小的病毒就把美国搞得几乎瘫痪,就是一个明证,病毒就是21世纪的新核武器
宣传委员
不一定真打得起来,我相信包子的胆量。 但对抗升级是必然的。
星球大战
问一句 大家家里有防空洞么?要不要事先考虑 好像1962年古巴导弹危机的时候好多都有防空洞的
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nexcare
太恐怖了。。。。。。难道我们这一代真的会遇上世界大战。。。版上哪些整天喷中国的人,难道真是不怕死的

难道是因为我们喷中国,所以美国要打仗?
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swing
打战对任何国家的老百姓能有什么好处 真看不懂为什么有人会这么高兴
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ggbreeze
这不是吃饱了撑的嘛,两边这都是什么领导
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Zaoxingke
中美矛盾不可逆,美华不必为中国政府站台,也要争取不能被政治家中伤,搞政治的肮脏手段无所不及,混淆视听是常用手段。
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masha
热战什么意思
千万不要热战 swing 发表于 3/22/2020 8:51:00 PM
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cristal2011
不明白版上跟着叫嚣打仗的人都是什么大人物。 任何形式的打仗对普通在美华人有任何好处嘛?
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bingmi
不用打仗 把在美国的红二代全部扣押人质 冻结资产就行了
切,就是骗纳税人的钱的 不用说对另一个核国家开战,就是为资本自己的利益也不会对中国开战 更不用说21世纪打的是网络和生物战,美国还自大的以为还是航母时代,早晚会吃亏
Seeking668 发表于 3/22/2020 8:53:54 PM
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qwerty_sun
准备个屁,一屁股债不解决,一个病弄的天昏地暗。买枪买炮倒是积极的很。买的越多死的越快。苏联的前车之鉴不够他们学的。先把口罩供应上再说吧。
落地无声
回复 8楼彭久舍的帖子
你咋还想股票呢这时候。大炮一响黄金万两啊。 打仗的话当然有利trump了。
大衣被禁
我最近最常说的话就是,我一直以为我生活在宇宙第一强国,物资充裕,军备充分,谍报什么都知道,兵强马壮,将军身经百战,什么都想到了,直到我知道美国口罩的储备量。
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oceanmist
这不真是中国希望看到的吗? 做了那么多准备,不就是希望看到美国如此反应吗?
hideandseek 发表于 3/22/2020 8:52:11 PM

胡说八道。我感觉全世界就华人一帮人巴不得打仗的。有这种消息各个和打了鸡血一样。打仗了你们真落到好处?一个个心理不正常到疯魔了。普通正常人谁想打仗?就华人上一帮疯疯癫癫的,唯恐天下不乱。
不娶何撩
打仗对谁有好处?
家人都在国内
打仗的话那股票就不要入了
彭久舍 发表于 3/22/2020 8:51:14 PM


准备,你数落美国,野蛮
不准备,你又笑人傻,蠢,笨

反正永远都是你对
落地无声
热战什么意思
千万不要热战 swing 发表于 3/22/2020 8:51:00 PM


互扔原子弹
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swing
回复 26楼masha的帖子 热战就是真枪实弹打起来 太恐怖😱
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RolandQ
和当年希特勒的招数一模一样
麻辣肚丝 发表于 3/22/2020 8:50:39 PM

核平台湾的豪言壮语还在耳边...
那请告诉大家,如果大陆如果开打台湾,你的观点是什么?
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flying3
打战对任何国家的老百姓能有什么好处 真看不懂为什么有人会这么高兴
swing 发表于 3/22/2020 8:56:07 PM

傻子呗,傻子最高兴打仗。不过中美打不起来,都是核武国家
星球大战
不用打仗
把在美国的红二代全部扣押人质
冻结资产就行了

bingmi 发表于 3/22/2020 8:56:57 PM

这种动作感觉做之前是筹码,做之后是导火索
把伊朗和俄罗斯官员冻结资产的事也不是没干过
彭久舍
回复 8楼彭久舍的帖子
你咋还想股票呢这时候。大炮一响黄金万两啊。 打仗的话当然有利trump了。

落地无声 发表于 3/22/2020 8:57:18 PM

打不起来除非他要冒天下之大不韪
他会触犯众怒
ccp也不敢
都是嘴炮
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dk43l12
不一定真打得起来,我相信包子的胆量。
但对抗升级是必然的。
宣传委员 发表于 3/22/2020 8:54:47 PM

双方都在备战吧,

美国最近几个月一直在南海挑衅中国大陆。

美国侦查机前几天还飞到了香港外海100公里左右

台湾最大论坛有人贴出了中国大陆也在备战。
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feo
回复 32楼oceanmist的帖子 肯定不会打的,现在双方就是摆出样子来的,都是核大国,不可能打的
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lifetobepositive
谁能帮贴到赵立坚推特下面吗!
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oceanmist
打战对任何国家的老百姓能有什么好处 真看不懂为什么有人会这么高兴
swing 发表于 3/22/2020 8:56:07 PM

这个版上聚齐了一帮不正常的,日常生活中你到哪去见这么一帮希望打仗的疯子。
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cattywh
不明白版上跟着叫嚣打仗的人都是什么大人物。 任何形式的打仗对普通在美华人有任何好处嘛?
cristal2011 发表于 3/22/2020 8:56:46 PM

是没有好处啊,所以谁能不能劝一下断交部那位赵发炎人?
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myblueangel
国内现在舆论对美国的敌意是疯了的状态啊
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Renshengkuduan
还是不要打仗,走到那步真的两败俱伤,倒霉的是两边的百姓
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littleceleb
不一定真打得起来,我相信包子的胆量。 但对抗升级是必然的。

包子虽然胆小如鼠,但同时也脑残,就不知道下决定的时候哪个优先了
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xuemeiwangchen
我也觉得打不起来
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whitelephant
这都啥时候了,DOD干点实事不行么,还在那和CDC抢budget
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oceanmist
准备战争比准备抗疫效率高好多
pig0019 发表于 3/22/2020 8:49:45 PM

这说明早想发战争财了,可说抗疫只花钱不能赚钱。一帮人渣。
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nexcare
我最近最常说的话就是,我一直以为我生活在宇宙第一强国,物资充裕,军备充分,谍报什么都知道,兵强马壮,将军身经百战,什么都想到了,直到我知道美国口罩的储备量。

哈哈 这个是真的
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boshi
太恐怖了。。。。。。难道我们这一代真的会遇上世界大战。。。版上哪些整天喷中国的人,难道真是不怕死的
常然 发表于 3/22/2020 8:53:30 PM

互仍核弹
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tomliu
打战对任何国家的老百姓能有什么好处 真看不懂为什么有人会这么高兴
swing 发表于 3/22/2020 8:56:07 PM

不是明摆着吗,这些叫嚣的,不是港独就是台独。
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xiakexing
应该不会真的打热战,瘟神真来了邪共军队马上变成废柴。 不过对待流氓不能手软,其它恐怖分子不过在玩调虎离山,邪共才是全人类最大的威胁,美国这个世界警察不能白当。
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boshi
切,就是骗纳税人的钱的
不用说对另一个核国家开战,就是为资本自己的利益也不会对中国开战
更不用说21世纪打的是网络和生物战,美国还自大的以为还是航母时代,早晚会吃亏
这次一个小小的病毒就把美国搞得几乎瘫痪,就是一个明证,病毒就是21世纪的新核武器

Seeking668 发表于 3/22/2020 8:53:54 PM

美军的航母成了一个个公主号
落地无声
回复 8楼彭久舍的帖子
你咋还想股票呢这时候。大炮一响黄金万两啊。 打仗的话当然有利trump了。

落地无声 发表于 3/22/2020 8:57:18 PM

打不起来除非他要冒天下之大不韪
他会触犯众怒
ccp也不敢
都是嘴炮


你还真低估了trump,我觉得他啥都干得出来。他手底下的也没人会拦着。
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ready

互扔原子弹

落地无声 发表于 3/22/2020 8:58:45 PM


互扔不一定,但是美方估计快了。
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boshi
打战对任何国家的老百姓能有什么好处 真看不懂为什么有人会这么高兴
swing 发表于 3/22/2020 8:56:07 PM

台独高兴,轮子高兴
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greenishwampi
热战什么意思

masha 发表于 3/22/2020 8:56:45 PM

冷戰的反義詞.
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ebc
我最近最常说的话就是,我一直以为我生活在宇宙第一强国,物资充裕,军备充分,谍报什么都知道,兵强马壮,将军身经百战,什么都想到了,直到我知道美国口罩的储备量。
大衣被禁 发表于 3/22/2020 8:57:47 PM

今年开头还没到三个月,就发生了认知上最大的挑战。一开始发现世界gdp第二大国医疗系统说奔溃就奔溃,要啥没啥。结果没到两个月,发现世界第一大国也一点不输得布其后程。。一切都完全凌乱了。。
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superdog97


准备,你数落美国,野蛮
不准备,你又笑人傻,蠢,笨

反正永远都是你对

不娶何撩 发表于 3/22/2020 8:58:29 PM


它们精分,
落地无声
都什么人盼着中美打仗?就算你在国内没亲朋了,真打起来你在美国能过得好?

我没有盼打仗,我只是悲哀这些事都不由得我来做主
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swing
我觉得川普是很理智的人 赔本赚生意不会做的 伊朗那么挑衅都没有打起来 所以应该不会的
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miaoerl
不可能打到中国去,都是核武国家。估计最大可能是以台湾为战场,这样双方才可能克制不动核武……
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girlinblack
我只后悔还没去过非洲Safari,亚马逊雨林和南极。其它随便吧😂
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dk43l12


台独高兴,轮子高兴

boshi 发表于 3/22/2020 9:03:15 PM


台独就是一堆蠢货。中国大陆和美国打起来。

台湾就是前线。

到时中国大陆的卫士火箭炮,可以直接在沿海对台湾进行大面积的轰炸,都不需要飞机,也不需要登岛。

关键是火箭炮比导弹便宜多了。

美国受的攻击会小很多,毕竟远离中国大陆。 除非美国对中国大陆进行大面积的攻击,中国大陆应该不会动用核武器。
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qwerty_sun
很可能拿台湾当成演兵场了
电线小美
打不打仗另说,现在是战争状态。 大家要团结对外,作为美国人团结! 如果你现在还觉得中美关系还有可能“友好”的话, 我觉得你应该把头从沙里拨出来了。
落地无声
我最近最常说的话就是,我一直以为我生活在宇宙第一强国,物资充裕,军备充分,谍报什么都知道,兵强马壮,将军身经百战,什么都想到了,直到我知道美国口罩的储备量。

别提了,这3个月是认知颠覆
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Zaoxingke

胡说八道。我感觉全世界就华人一帮人巴不得打仗的。有这种消息各个和打了鸡血一样。打仗了你们真落到好处?一个个心理不正常到疯魔了。普通正常人谁想打仗?就华人上一帮疯疯癫癫的,唯恐天下不乱。

oceanmist 发表于 3/22/2020 8:58:17 PM

真打仗,叫嚣的这些人躲得最快,没必要为一份工作丢掉性命。中美大国的利益之争也不可能上升到战争。无论川普的种族歧视还是军事威胁,主要目的还是转移矛盾,疫情严重股市下跌这么多,总的给股民找个泄愤的口子吧。
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miaoerl
中美真要热战,老毛子做梦都会笑醒……
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blackplains
最近一两个月, 美国航母, 中国战斗机, 都在台湾绕阿绕的.
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swing
2020年太魔幻了 我一直觉得自己是不是在做梦 要是梦醒了新冠就消失了就好了
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feo
我最近最常说的话就是,我一直以为我生活在宇宙第一强国,物资充裕,军备充分,谍报什么都知道,兵强马壮,将军身经百战,什么都想到了,直到我知道美国口罩的储备量。
大衣被禁 发表于 3/22/2020 8:57:47 PM

re,不觉得现在美国有实力打仗
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squirrel40
为了连任,真的什么事都能干出来啊
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Seeking668
中美真要热战,老毛子做梦都会笑醒……
miaoerl 发表于 3/22/2020 9:09:55 PM


大概率就是俄国设计好的,包括这次瘟疫,还有甩锅战
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ggbreeze
中美真要热战,老毛子做梦都会笑醒……
miaoerl 发表于 3/22/2020 9:09:55 PM

就是,现在真怀疑是老毛子设的局
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luming
打战对任何国家的老百姓能有什么好处 真看不懂为什么有人会这么高兴
swing 发表于 3/22/2020 8:56:07 PM


那些反共到了极端反华的人。不惜生灵涂炭,只为了消灭所谓“邪恶中共”的人。

N年前我还自我认为是老将。。。。现在这世道,不反华(恐怕还要加上粉川)都不好意思做老将了
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luckyhusky
不一定真打得起来,我相信包子的胆量。
但对抗升级是必然的。
宣传委员 发表于 3/22/2020 8:54:47 PM


那你相不相信包子的野心?
要台上换了邓江胡任何一个人我都觉得打不起来,然而包子首先把两届任期改成了终身制,为了长久的坐在位子上他肯定要堵下面的嘴,现在国际上让外交部频频挑衅,国内激起反美情绪,但光有情绪不发泄能怎么样?20年都到了,23年还远吗?
落地无声
我觉得川普是很理智的人 赔本赚生意不会做的 伊朗那么挑衅都没有打起来 所以应该不会的

Senate Approves Legislation To Limit President's War Powers Against Iran
https://www.npr.org/2020/02/13/805594383/senate-approves-legislation-to-limit-presidents-war-powers-against-iran 估计议员们也怕打仗
红豆沙黑咖啡
股市又要涨了,制造业又要回归了,MA又要GA了。
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cuzemel
现在还能吃上热煮的东西,还能在家上网口水战,还能囤货,真上真枪实弹,谁知道会过上啥样的生活。
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whatyoudo
川普为了连任,真是无所不用其极。一点底线都没有了。美国人民的命不是命吗?还打热战!先把瘟疫对付过去吧。美国人民在成百的死呢。
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firmiana
切,就是骗纳税人的钱的
不用说对另一个核国家开战,就是为资本自己的利益也不会对中国开战
更不用说21世纪打的是网络和生物战,美国还自大的以为还是航母时代,早晚会吃亏
这次一个小小的病毒就把美国搞得几乎瘫痪,就是一个明证,病毒就是21世纪的新核武器

Seeking668 发表于 3/22/2020 8:53:54 PM

对,不是航母的时代了。所以到底是谁在为军舰下饺子自嗨。。
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tbaobao
我觉得不会真开战,但做好开战的准备。每天看到令人心惊的各种消息,是世界一瞬间就变了……
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piranha
美国已经没有家底了。再一打仗,只会经济危机来的更猛。
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RolandQ
川普为了连任,真是无所不用其极。一点底线都没有了。美国人民的命不是命吗?还打热战!先把瘟疫对付过去吧。美国人民在成百的死呢。
whatyoudo 发表于 3/22/2020 9:17:35 PM


基本上一看到连任字眼的基本就是被国内政治书洗脑的,醒醒,连任了也就是再做4年,不是定于一尊,千秋万代
川普为了连任打仗?国内CCTV看多了, 还是先管管战狼们吧,都是牛二一样的命
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amber561201
估计不会吧,
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lifetobepositive
美国已经没有家底了。再一打仗,只会经济危机来的更猛。

看隔壁贴 国内要求大家把美金换人民币 还让所有党员捐款,你觉得谁没家底
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zhumohu
这时候版上拥共的ID忽然都热爱和平了?好神奇
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oncebluemoon
summary?
红豆沙黑咖啡

你还真低估了trump,我觉得他啥都干得出来。他手底下的也没人会拦着。

落地无声 发表于 3/22/2020 9:02:37 PM


周围的人都会并只会说 yes
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zhumohu
那不正合中共意愿 翻墙id应该弹冠相庆美帝终于又搬起石头砸自己脚 怎么一个个拥共id都成了反战分子
美国已经没有家底了。再一打仗,只会经济危机来的更猛。 piranha 发表于 3/22/2020 9:20:00 PM
咖啡和茶
早就开战了,尼玛什么破蝙蝠病毒,就生物武器好吧
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RolandQ
这时候版上拥共的ID忽然都热爱和平了?好神奇
zhumohu 发表于 3/22/2020 9:22:12 PM

这的确是很神奇的事,一直在这里喊打喊杀,不依不饶的也是这一批
咖啡和茶
早给你说老虎屁股摸不得,你偏不信,现在还扣一屎盆子在老虎头上。现在老虎要吃人了,怕了吧
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sweetme
不用打仗
把在美国的红二代全部扣押人质
冻结资产就行了

bingmi 发表于 3/22/2020 8:56:57 PM

re, 然后把红二代和财产做个表格,想办法弄到国内
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steveo
这时候版上拥共的ID忽然都热爱和平了?好神奇
zhumohu 发表于 3/22/2020 9:22:12 PM


哈哈笑喷!说的真是一针见血,这里面还夹杂了几个军盲,只能当乐子看了。