🤯【bridgewater 爆了!】【 saudi redemption + fraud】

不娶何撩
楼主 (北美华人网)
有些人说话特别没有嘴德。
这个帖子是昨天半夜发的,今天有新消息就栽赃别人造假。

不想跟这种人多交流。





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Emilia
Details Please! Source? Why Bridgewater’s problem would cause Financial crisis?
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crichris
微信上都在发那个……谁来辟个谣…… Fraud是啥? Repo看着不像崩了的啊
一_一丨丨丨
前排!
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missingocean
大家讨论的很热烈,然而我并不知道大家都在说什么🤔
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blackcat.us
关注,这是什么情况
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LMIYdare
微信上都在发然而没人证实。。。。
骨头
呼唤科普
一_一丨丨丨
然而我知道好多人握着钞票等着抄底
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sitdown2017
Details Please! Source?
Why Bridgewater’s problem would cause Financial crisis?
Emilia 发表于 3/18/2020 3:50:31 AM [/url]


近两千亿美元的固定投都资炸了,说明其他几百亿的投资基金更惨我还是那句话,三月就能见到世界之底,现金抄底转身亿万富翁不是梦!
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sherrycheryl
不知所以 Google查不到信息 求科普
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camfis
呼唤楼主快回来
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yaner11
咋回事? 详情? 难道用了杠杆又没及时止损?
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chasebanks


近两千亿美元的固定投都资炸了,说明其他几百亿的投资基金更惨我还是那句话,三月就能见到世界之底,现金抄底转身亿万富翁不是梦!

sitdown2017 发表于 3/18/2020 4:01:42 AM

亿万富翁? 那得现有几千万的现金抄底
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Emilia


近两千亿美元的固定投都资炸了,说明其他几百亿的投资基金更惨我还是那句话,三月就能见到世界之底,现金抄底转身亿万富翁不是梦!

sitdown2017 发表于 3/18/2020 4:01:42 AM


https://www.ai-cio.com/news/flagship-bridgewater-fund-reportedly-tumbles-20-coronavirus/

This?
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Writingpad


https://www.ai-cio.com/news/flagship-bridgewater-fund-reportedly-tumbles-20-coronavirus/

This?

Emilia 发表于 3/18/2020 4:07:15 AM


点进去,403 forbidden,啥情况?
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Emilia


点进去,403 forbidden,啥情况?

Writingpad 发表于 3/18/2020 4:25:02 AM

Are you sure?that’s strange. I have no problem.
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EvenOdd
Perhaps also here:

" Bridgewater’s Pure Alpha Reports Sharp Losses

Even All Weather — the firm’s less volatile strategy — lost 1.9 percent last month.

Stephen Taub

March 04, 2020

https://www.institutionalinvestor.com/article/b1km3356pvgyx4/Bridgewater-s-Pure-Alpha-Reports-Sharp-Losses

The world’s largest hedge fund firm posted a 4 percent decline in Pure Alpha I (also known as Pure Alpha 12 percent), is now down 5.5 percent for the year, according to a database and a person familiar with the results. Pure Alpha II — the more leveraged version — dropped 4.6 percent last month to start the year down 8.4 percent, according to these sources.

Even All Weather, its risk-parity strategy, lost money, dropping 1.9 percent in February to be just shy of flat (negative 0.1 percent) for the year to date. "

Bonds?

" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgewater_Associates
1991-present: Pure Alpha, All Weather, Pure Alpha Major Markets
Bridgewater Associates developed several "innovative investment strategies" during the 1990s such as inflation-indexed bonds, currency overlay, emerging market debt, global bonds and "super-long duration bonds". The firm also "pioneered the separation of alpha and beta" investments and developed a strategy called "alpha overlay" which involved a portfolio of "20 uncorrelated" investments, leveraged for risk or return and combined with cash or an investment market benchmark."

https://www.barchart.com/futures/quotes/ZNM20/interactive-chart

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Bridgewater Associates Takes Massive Coronavirus Hit; Ray Dalio Says Trump Stimulus 'Not Big Enough'

Wayne Duggan

BenzingaMarch 16, 2020

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bridgewater-associates-takes-massive-coronavirus-190204704.html

The Financial Times reported over the weekend that Brigdewater’s flagship fund, the Pure Alpha Fund II, is already down 20% year-to-date in 2020. In a statement, billionaire founder Ray Dalio said the fund dropped the ball during the current crash rather than making money like it did in 2008."
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Writingpad

Are you sure?that’s strange. I have no problem.

Emilia 发表于 3/18/2020 4:39:52 AM

Yes,tried again,same happened
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cuteseahorse
I can see the link
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vinceblair000
真正金融危机了。。。。
bridgewater manages 160 billion assets.
猜会再加 1 trillion
bless





不娶何撩 发表于 3/18/2020 3:47:47 AM

这封信前两天传疯啦。简单讲就是融短钱炒长钱的投资方式,没有流动性的市场短钱供应有问题,价格变贵,玩不转。
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vinceblair000
回复 21楼vinceblair000的帖子 rumor还说那些靠repo funding的基金什么millennium, aqr全部在崩的路上
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jiayusong
bridgewater就是那个Daliao么
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thinredline
这些贪婪的华尔街基金,赢了都是他们的,亏了要全民买单,真是毒瘤。全部铲除最好,美国应该回到实业立国的基础上。
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nonexistance
Yahoo https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bridgewater-associates-takes-massive-coronavirus-190204704.html Bridgewater Associates Takes Massive Coronavirus Hit; Ray Dalio Says Trump Stimulus 'Not Big Enough' In theory, hedge funds are designed to insulate investors from the type of market downturns that U.S. investors have experienced in 2020. Unfortunately for Bridgewater Associates investors, the world’s largest hedge fund appears to have gotten caught off guard by the coronavirus outbreak. The Financial Times reported over the weekend that Brigdewater’s flagship fund, the Pure Alpha Fund II, is already down 20% year-to-date in 2020. In a statement, billionaire founder Ray Dalio said the fund dropped the ball during the current crash rather than making money like it did in 2008. “We did not know how to navigate the virus and chose not to because we didn’t think we had an edge in trading it. So, we stayed in our positions and in retrospect we should have cut all risk,” Dalio said. See Also: 13 Financial Pros React To Emergency Interest Rate Cut: More Stimulus Needed? Troubling Combination In a note on Monday, Dalio said the combination of 0% interest rates and the uncertainty of the COVID-19 outbreak is troubling. “While it is an extremely serious infectious disease and that will produce many harmful economic impacts, these things alone don’t scare me; however, when combined with long-term interest rates hitting the hard 0% floor, that really worries me,” Dalio said. Dalio famously predicted the global financial crisis back in 2008. Dalio’s hedge fund has been the largest in the word since 2011. In an opinion piece posted on LinkedIn, Dalio said the U.S. government will need to follow up the Federal Reserve’s interest rate cuts with an aggressive stimulus program aimed at the sectors of the market most impacted by the outbreak. “Thus far, there has not been much debt support to industries that would go broke due to this shock though President Trump has called for Congress to authorize an additional $50 billion in subsidies for loan to SMEs through the SBA. This could free up a few hundred billions in loans; however, it's not big enough and it’s not clear whether this measure will garner congressional Democrats’ support,” Dalio wrote.
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Puma2019
一惊一乍的。 Bridge water 20% down, 没听说Citadel/Millennium/Two sigma 有问题。
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whitelephant
刚问过AQR的朋友,内部并没有通知,这应该是假消息 不过最近确实流动性非常紧张,repo已经涨上天了
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hs2016
刚问过AQR的朋友,内部并没有通知,这应该是假消息

不过最近确实流动性非常紧张,repo已经涨上天了
whitelephant 发表于 3/18/2020 7:41:17 AM [/url]


QE买treasury 和MBS, 保流动性
否则这两个交易量最大的产品流动性出问题,全球金融危机
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vinceblair000
bridgewater就是那个Daliao么
jiayusong 发表于 3/18/2020 5:40:37 AM

是的
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ciwawa
已辟谣了,但股市又要熔断了
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samoshl
记号一下。也看到微信上在传。。
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q2w3e4r5
有没有人知道blackrock情况怎么样?
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bigcatlu
risk parity trade主要是bridge water 和 AQR. 他们最近两年return一直不好。 其他几个没有这样的问题。 repo funding的问题fed去年九月份就意识到短期拆借市场利率spike,所以9月和12月都大举注资,这两天更注入500B. 说市场会因一两个fund crash那是耸人听闻, 从来都是让fund自生自灭的,监管也完全不同
章鱼小丸子_V
saudi redemption possible, 但没爆。
一惊一乍的。

Bridge water 20% down, 没听说Citadel/Millennium/Two sigma 有问题。
Puma2019 发表于 3/18/2020 7:11:47 AM


是啊,看了一下,是没啥事。客户在危机时候赎回资金非常正常,HF的AUM变少而已,每年管理费赚钱少了而已。再加上他们自己策略没有及时变,fund亏了那么一点,PL赚少了,有啥好叫的。
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abclly
谁给普通话版解释啊,别笑啊看不懂
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lovesunshine
回复 1楼不娶何撩的帖子 对冲大鳄啊
找deal


近两千亿美元的固定投都资炸了,说明其他几百亿的投资基金更惨我还是那句话,三月就能见到世界之底,现金抄底转身亿万富翁不是梦!

sitdown2017 发表于 3/18/2020 4:01:42 AM

感觉3月底还不够
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lycheeberry
mark -
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williamzwly
mark mark mark
君已陌路
有没有人知道blackrock情况怎么样?
q2w3e4r5 发表于 3/18/2020 8:38:23 AM

同问
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baobaoguaiguai
完全的假消息,dalio已经澄清了,你可以去他的微博看他发的详细情况。这种来路不明的邮件截屏就能造谣的,请你更正道歉,每一个传播假消息的人,都是作恶的一部分。
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vikpie
Bridgewater 去年年底投了1billion bet market down by march
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Namama
市场liquidity确实出问题 risk parirty也确实有问题 bridgewater也确实在亏钱。。 但这tmd和基金爆仓关门是两回事好不好??? 听着风就是雨。。。。
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Namama
有没有人知道blackrock情况怎么样?
q2w3e4r5 发表于 3/18/2020 8:38:23 AM

mutual fund, index fund只是跟着大市亏钱而已,公司本身没问题。。
不娶何撩
完全的假消息,dalio已经澄清了,你可以去他的微博看他发的详细情况。这种来路不明的邮件截屏就能造谣的,请你更正道歉,每一个传播假消息的人,都是作恶的一部分
baobaoguaiguai 发表于 3/18/2020 11:07:04 AM


你说话积点德可以吗?

不想再说
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rureal
Bridgewater 去年年底投了1billion bet market down by march
vikpie 发表于 3/18/2020 11:12:33 AM

这种操作没有太大信息量的:它有1B赌跌,目的可以是为了保护200B的赌涨啊……

这种操作没有太大信息量的:它有1B赌跌,目的可以是为了保护200B的赌涨啊……

rureal 发表于 3/18/2020 11:45:03 AM

对的,金融方面很多假消息,很有误导性。
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lifetobepositive
看到微信两字就不看了
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EvenOdd
Bridgewater 去年年底投了1billion bet market down by march
vikpie 发表于 3/18/2020 11:12:33 AM


Probably not precise enough:

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WSJ says Ray Dalio's hedge fund has bet more than $1 billion on a global stock sell-off by March — a report he's since denied

Daniel Strauss
Nov. 22, 2019

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/ray-dalio-bridgewater-associates-1-billion-bet-stock-market-loss-2019-11-1028711471

Ray Dalio's hedge fund has placed a bet north of $1 billion that global stocks will fall by March, according to a Wall Street Journal report.
The position is made up of put options that could pay out to Bridgewater Associates if the S&P 500, the Euro Stoxx 50, or both drop in value, The Journal found.
Put options are contracts that grant investors the right to sell stocks at a predetermined price by a specific date.
In a LinkedIn response, Dalio claimed his comments to WSJ were mischaracterized, and said he's not wagering against global stocks.

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Xiaoxiaohai
看到微信两字就不看了
lifetobepositive 发表于 3/18/2020 11:51:32 AM

哈哈哈哈,握手握手,跟我一样诶!
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pig0019
这是什么级别的爆
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cloud226
假的! 其实第一张图就是Dalio自己辟谣 fund lost ~15% 符合自己对市场预期 和爆仓差太远了
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crichris


你说话积点德可以吗?

不想再说

不娶何撩 发表于 3/18/2020 11:42:51 AM


讲道理人家说的没错……

你这儿疯狂看热闹误导群众有啥意思

你不想想微信都传到你一吃瓜群众这里了都多少手消息了能是真的么

这里面说的真假打开Bbg看看repo market就看明白了
心函
Details Please! Source?
Why Bridgewater’s problem would cause Financial crisis?
Emilia 发表于 3/18/2020 3:50:31 AM


Cause its portfolios are highly leveraged..其他还有GS, BX听说也是managed assets很多elevated volatility,这种的受market risk很大
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crichris


Cause its portfolios are highly leveraged..其他还有GS, BX听说也是managed assets很多elevated volatility,这种的受market risk很大

心函 发表于 3/18/2020 5:21:14 PM


这种受Market risk哪大了啊

我觉得受Liquidity risk大是真的
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baobaoguaiguai
很多人根本不明白hedge fund是怎么回事,不明白受哪些因素影响到什么程度,更别说人家公司内部何况了。这样的话闭嘴就好了,可惜看懂了一个爆字,这下好了得马上转。我实在是不明白都事实打脸了,还不更正道歉,还嘴硬的。
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CleverBeaver

这种操作没有太大信息量的:它有1B赌跌,目的可以是为了保护200B的赌涨啊……

rureal 发表于 3/18/2020 11:45:03 AM

完全有可能
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CleverBeaver
觉得lz是好意来提醒大家 然后最近大盘洗盘的操作之娴熟 总让人感觉技术性很强 就是有数据的在那里砸盘 大盘掉的吓人,其猛烈程度更像被攻击而不是散户恐慌抛售 更像是有人大手笔砸盘要造成散户恐慌 我不觉得lz的信息完全是空穴来风 至少我们了解了不少机构这次也操作失误,最后损失还是小伞兜着,因为fed救市砸进去的💰还是会转嫁到民众身上,以保护机构软着陆
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flyingplate
很多人根本不明白hedge fund是怎么回事,不明白受哪些因素影响到什么程度,更别说人家公司内部何况了。这样的话闭嘴就好了,可惜看懂了一个爆字,这下好了得马上转。我实在是不明白都事实打脸了,还不更正道歉,还嘴硬的。
baobaoguaiguai 发表于 3/18/2020 8:27:57 PM

这位说话也太冲了,帽子扣的也太大了。桥水老板这几年本来就在中国平台很活跃,各方面信息知乎微博讨论的确也多。
不懂还不能问了?谁一生下来就知道市场这些细节。你懂你不会简单易懂解释下吗?
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EvenOdd
Perhaps, partly due to: " https://www.afr.com/markets/equity-markets/this-is-not-bond-capitulation-but-liquidation-20200319-p54bla This is not bond capitulation, but liquidation Supposedly safe bonds have been dumped as investors are forced to sell to cover losses, meet redemption calls and bolster liquidity. "