都说美国人没存款,对他们影响岂不是很大

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columbia88
楼主 (北美华人网)
我记得以前学校payroll错了晚发一个月工资,很多人就抱怨受不了了。这次停工啥的对他们或者做小生意的影响挺大的啊。
华人应该没事,比较爱存款。

如果这次让美国人也开始存款急用了,那消费信心会下降很多,股市应该会更不行了。
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pwwq
过一天算一天
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Threebears
回复 [url=https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2518860&postid=83138864#83138864]1楼columbia88的帖子[/url] 隔壁帖子还抱怨华人胆小慎微了,说起来论攒钱、Save money for rainy day,华人绝对是世界第一
山海之间
如果美国人都没存款,该怕的是有存款的华人吧
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ych133
这个时候华人的优势体现了,存钱,居安思危。 也不用恐慌,真到了要担心社会动乱那一步,版上很多人估计早回国躲着了
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ocmom
个人觉得是误解。美国中产阶级及以上的存401k的并有多个房产的不少。中国总是报道美国低收入的人的生活,中国的贫困大众不也是入不付出?
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baby.chen
美国人也投资也存钱,只不过普遍scale跟华人不能比。 真到美国中产活不下去的那个地步我就只能去买枪了
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sici815
如果美国人都没存款,该怕的是有存款的华人吧
山海之间 发表于 3/14/2020 7:28:13 PM [url=https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2518860&postid=83138890#83138890][img][/img][/url]


没错啊。
人家老美亲戚朋友都在美国,撑不下来,再怎么样,也能赏个饭钱活下去。
楼主呢。
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Baguette
个人觉得是误解。美国中产阶级及以上的存401k的并有多个房产的不少。中国总是报道美国低收入的人的生活,中国的贫困大众不也是入不付出?

但他们身边没有很多cash,我认识一个工资大都进了401k和投资账户,结婚的时候还贷了2万personal loan因为不想动投资账户,其实也是赚的,但中国人一般理解不了
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sici815
个人觉得是误解。美国中产阶级及以上的存401k的并有多个房产的不少。中国总是报道美国低收入的人的生活,中国的贫困大众不也是入不付出?
ocmom 发表于 3/14/2020 7:31:14 PM [url=https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2518860&postid=83138927#83138927][img][/img][/url]


说美国人不存钱是不存现金到银行。
人家都存在其它上面了。股市,房市,基金。
美国公民平均理财意识比厉害国人高几个等级。
人家资本市场发展多少年了。厉害国才几年。

这种美国人不存钱的调调现在还有人信,觉得美国人多穷似的。
人家比你富,操什么心啊。
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西雅图不眠夜
美国的救济提息还是可以的,至少不会饿死人
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silk
存投资账户的都是中产,那个怼cdc的女议员就说了美国一半人拿不出多余的400块钱,更何况现在投资账户都跌的跟sh*t一样了
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lastunas
回复 [url=https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2518860&postid=83138864#83138864]1楼columbia88的帖子[/url] 有的晚一天也等不了
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no1wsn
所以加拿大第一步就是取消EI等待期(用来是两个星期),现在是今天被lay off,第二天就能拿到EI了
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Mintcafe
记得民主党的这个aid package已经过了吧。 House Democrats’ opening bid was an expansive relief package, which Republicans objected to over two provisions: paid sick leave and paid leave. In addition to seeking permanent paid sick leave, Democrats had initially included a provision establishing a permanent paid leave program in case of public health emergencies, which would have required businesses to offer 14 days of paid leave to their workers (the provision also would have provided a refundable tax credit for small businesses to assist with costs). “There are things in there that had nothing to do of what we are talking about,” Trump said Thursday. “It is not a way for them to get some of the goodies they haven’t been able to get for the last 25 years.” Trump appeared to still be fixated on the idea of a payroll tax cut on Friday — something he has been floating for the past week. Democrats objected because the payroll tax cut would likely benefit only companies and a subset of workers, and would not help those already laid off due to the coronavirus and its economic impact. A senior House Democrat called the idea a “nonstarter,” and even members of Trump’s party expressed skepticism that a payroll tax cut would be effective. Here’s are the main provisions of the House relief package, according to Pelosi’s letter. Free coronavirus testing: Democratic leaders propose making coronavirus testing free to increase access by requiring private health insurers (plus government programs like Medicare and Medicaid) to cover the cost of testing, including emergency room visits and doctor fees. This will also cover Americans without insurance. Emergency paid sick days: The bill would give workers 14 days of paid sick leave to be available immediately during the coronavirus (many employers are asking employees to work from home for that amount of time). It ensures sick leave to those impacted by quarantine orders, or those who must stay home to care for their children. The bill reimburses small businesses (those with 50 or fewer employees) for the cost of the 14 additional days of leave. Emergency paid leave: The bill would create a new federal emergency paid leave program for those unable to work because they have Covid-19, are quarantined, are caring for someone with the disease, or are caring for a child due to coronavirus-related school closings. Eligible workers would receive benefits for a month (the program goes up to three months), and the benefit amount would be two-thirds of the individual’s average monthly earnings. Those receiving pay or unemployment compensation directly through their employers aren’t eligible. There is some precedent for this: Congress expanded unemployment benefits for up to 99 weeks for Americans left unemployed by the 2008 financial crisis. Expanded unemployment insurance: The bill would direct $2 billion to state unemployment insurance programs and waive measures like work search requirements or waiting weeks to those either diagnosed with Covid-19, or those who have lost their jobs due to the spread of the virus. Expanding food security: The bill would direct $1 billion to expanding access to programs like SNAP, WIC and the emergency food assistance program throughout the coronavirus pandemic. Progressive economists have long believed that expanding existing safety net programs is a highly effective way of stimulating the economy because the low-income people who benefit from them are highly likely to immediately spend any extra money they get — helping stabilize economy-wide demand. The 2009 stimulus bill featured many provisions along these lines. Conservatives, who are critical of those programs in general, tend to be highly skeptical of putting more money into them.
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Cybercat
所以现在国会的package 里的paid sick leave, paid medical leave, 和unemployment insurance 就对small business 和员工很重要。
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columbia88
个人觉得是误解。美国中产阶级及以上的存401k的并有多个房产的不少。中国总是报道美国低收入的人的生活,中国的贫困大众不也是入不付出?
ocmom 发表于 3/14/2020 7:31:14 PM [url=https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2518860&postid=83138927#83138927][img][/img][/url]

我懂啊 可是房产401k都不能救急啊
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vincentsjtu
所以枪店排队?
落地无声

我懂啊 可是房产401k都不能救急啊
columbia88 发表于 3/14/2020 8:27:09 PM [url=https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2518860&postid=83139536#83139536][img][/img][/url]

401k是整个portfolio的一部分吧
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awang20546
我周围的美国人自己都有一些应急基金的
落地无声
记得民主党的这个aid package已经过了吧。

House Democrats’ opening bid was an expansive relief package, which Republicans objected to over two provisions: paid sick leave and paid leave.

In addition to seeking permanent paid sick leave, Democrats had initially included a provision establishing a permanent paid leave program in case of public health emergencies, which would have required businesses to offer 14 days of paid leave to their workers (the provision also would have provided a refundable tax credit for small businesses to assist with costs).

“There are things in there that had nothing to do of what we are talking about,” Trump said Thursday. “It is not a way for them to get some of the goodies they haven’t been able to get for the last 25 years.”

Trump appeared to still be fixated on the idea of a payroll tax cut on Friday — something he has been floating for the past week. Democrats objected because the payroll tax cut would likely benefit only companies and a subset of workers, and would not help those already laid off due to the coronavirus and its economic impact. A senior House Democrat called the idea a “nonstarter,” and even members of Trump’s party expressed skepticism that a payroll tax cut would be effective.

Here’s are the main provisions of the House relief package, according to Pelosi’s letter.

Free coronavirus testing: Democratic leaders propose making coronavirus testing free to increase access by requiring private health insurers (plus government programs like Medicare and Medicaid) to cover the cost of testing, including emergency room visits and doctor fees. This will also cover Americans without insurance.

Emergency paid sick days: The bill would give workers 14 days of paid sick leave to be available immediately during the coronavirus (many employers are asking employees to work from home for that amount of time). It ensures sick leave to those impacted by quarantine orders, or those who must stay home to care for their children. The bill reimburses small businesses (those with 50 or fewer employees) for the cost of the 14 additional days of leave.

Emergency paid leave: The bill would create a new federal emergency paid leave program for those unable to work because they have Covid-19, are quarantined, are caring for someone with the disease, or are caring for a child due to coronavirus-related school closings. Eligible workers would receive benefits for a month (the program goes up to three months), and the benefit amount would be two-thirds of the individual’s average monthly earnings. Those receiving pay or unemployment compensation directly through their employers aren’t eligible. There is some precedent for this: Congress expanded unemployment benefits for up to 99 weeks for Americans left unemployed by the 2008 financial crisis.
Expanded unemployment insurance: The bill would direct $2 billion to state unemployment insurance programs and waive measures like work search requirements or waiting weeks to those either diagnosed with Covid-19, or those who have lost their jobs due to the spread of the virus.

Expanding food security: The bill would direct $1 billion to expanding access to programs like SNAP, WIC and the emergency food assistance program throughout the coronavirus pandemic. Progressive economists have long believed that expanding existing safety net programs is a highly effective way of stimulating the economy because the low-income people who benefit from them are highly likely to immediately spend any extra money they get — helping stabilize economy-wide demand. The 2009 stimulus bill featured many provisions along these lines. Conservatives, who are critical of those programs in general, tend to be highly skeptical of putting more money into them.
Mintcafe 发表于 3/14/2020 8:26:29 PM


https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/13/politics/coronavirus-relief-congress/index.html
House passes coronavirus relief bill after Trump announces his support

今天中午的press conference, Mnuchin也提到了和nancy pelosi即将达成协议
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Mintcafe


https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/13/politics/coronavirus-relief-congress/index.html
House passes coronavirus relief bill after Trump announces his support

今天中午的press conference, Mnuchin也提到了和nancy pelosi即将达成协议

落地无声 发表于 3/14/2020 8:31:18 PM

不错,很多百姓可以喘口气,其实这在华人政治不正确,这不就是大统领粉一直狂骂的🦞😂
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oats715
个人觉得是误解。美国中产阶级及以上的存401k的并有多个房产的不少。中国总是报道美国低收入的人的生活,中国的贫困大众不也是入不付出?
ocmom 发表于 3/14/2020 7:31:14 PM

我懂啊 可是房产401k都不能救急啊
columbia88 发表于 3/14/2020 8:27:09 PM
在某些特殊情况下,比如失业之类的好像是可以拿没有罚金的。Roth ira的本金也是随时可以拿的。现在的问题是大概率投资都是亏的,如果非要拿出来救急,太亏了。
公用马甲38
又没有大规模失业,只是不能出门了,为啥要救急?
落地无声
又没有大规模失业,只是不能出门了,为啥要救急?
公用马甲38 发表于 3/14/2020 9:19:47 PM


你不出门了, 家门口的餐馆, 加油站, gym, 孩子课外教练这些小企业/私人的肯定要损失, 导致经济下滑, 那么大企业也就开始裁员可。。。。

不保证人人有sick days, 那么很多hourly的工作人员不能请假, 带病上班, 最终还是传染的大家,让疫情一直蔓延。。。
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bjandas
最好立个法今年失业的401k可以提一部分钱不罚款,到一定时间之内补回去
六合彩
论备枪和子弹的重要性
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hylei
我周围美国同事基本都是不要供房,401存满,一堆投资,大笔现金在手的人怕是真的少
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white09
去老美的投资论坛上看看再说,有钱的,年纪轻轻就开始理财的,有上辈传下的资产的多的是...

操心自己吧
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yykk913
人家老美从来财不外露 有钱的多了去了 这是被国内媒体洗脑多了
清风00000
挺多的,美国中位数以下的哪里有余钱投资,吃吃喝喝的,存不下的太多了...
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omelette
老美有钱的,不用担心
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yup
他们的钱月光是因为初一要做指甲全套,初五要交私教费,初十Club due了,十五又要做指甲,三十是还贷:学贷 房贷 车贷 船贷 度假屋贷。平时一三五七happy hour 不能缺席。这些都是雷打不动的开销啊! 那些年入半米以上的不算 吃福利拿食品券的不算,就是普通中产阶级差不多这样的消耗
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ocmom
我周围美国同事基本都是不要供房,401存满,一堆投资,大笔现金在手的人怕是真的少
hylei 发表于 3/14/2020 9:33:46 PM [url=https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2518860&postid=83140347#83140347][img][/img][/url]


美国人除了401k, 房产,还会有钱在其他投资账户上,如个人理财账户和Roth ira, 都会有股票,mutual funds, cash等随时可以变卖的应急资金。美国人放在银行的cash少,特别是现在interest rate so low...
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stacych8008
我觉得60%的美国人是这样的。
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sunflower0
老美都有钱,不用操心他们,还是操心操心自己吧
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kominu

我记得以前学校payroll错了晚发一个月工资,很多人就抱怨受不了了。这次停工啥的对他们或者做小生意的影响挺大的啊。
华人应该没事,比较爱存款。

如果这次让美国人也开始存款急用了,那消费信心会下降很多,股市应该会更不行了。


政府已经说了会管了
大衣被禁
我提醒大家一下,us median household income is 60k. 我相信大家都不认识什么average American.
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stacych8008
我提醒大家一下,us median household income is 50k. 我相信大家都不认识什么average American.
大衣被禁 发表于 3/14/2020 10:23:10 PM [url=/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2518860&postid=83141024#83141024][img][/img][/url][/url]


那些小时工之类的,比如超市收银员,服务员,Uber drivers,基本上这次受到影响最大。而这批人,是花钱相对收入来说最厉害的人。华人一说普通人就拿top 10%来代表所有人
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ocmom
我提醒大家一下,us median household income is 60k. 我相信大家都不认识什么average American.
大衣被禁 发表于 3/14/2020 10:23:10 PM [url=https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2518860&postid=83141024#83141024][img][/img][/url]


也不要忘记了old money 和heritage, 别人的父母是有遗产的,随便一个房子或地留给下一代,毕竟几代下来。中国人大多数是一穷二白来美国的。
你是彼岸
当然知道中国有很多穷人。美国家庭看起来收入很高,均5-6万美元,但这里头水分大,开销也大, 多数人过得拮据。统计数字随处可见,骗人很难。2008年危机的时候多少大小公司倒闭,裁员多少,要是都有钱,那至于鬼哭狼号的,抗一两年就过去了。
大衣被禁
US median household net worth is less than 100k. 我谨代表我自己,我不认识一个average American. 我实在是不知道average American 是怎么生活的。
也不要忘记了old money 和heritage, 别人的父母是有遗产的,随便一个房子或地留给下一代,毕竟几代下来。中国人大多数是一穷二白来美国的。 ocmom 发表于 3/14/2020 10:28:00 PM
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tues

我记得以前学校payroll错了晚发一个月工资,很多人就抱怨受不了了。这次停工啥的对他们或者做小生意的影响挺大的啊。
华人应该没事,比较爱存款。

如果这次让美国人也开始存款急用了,那消费信心会下降很多,股市应该会更不行了。

columbia88 发表于 3/14/2020 7:26:15 PM [url=https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2518860&postid=83138864#83138864][img][/img][/url]


人家是会哭的孩子有奶吃。 谁欠你钱了 你还说 好好好?
小花朵
这都2020的,还在流传美国人不存钱没有存款这个流言
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tues

存投资账户的都是中产,那个怼cdc的女议员就说了美国一半人拿不出多余的400块钱,更何况现在投资账户都跌的跟sh*t一样了

silk 发表于 3/14/2020 7:58:40 PM [url=https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2518860&postid=83139257#83139257][img][/img][/url]


这不知道怎么来的,说的是400 for medical。美国人一年至少1,2万的收入,吃的用的那么便宜。怎么可能没钱。

我一分钱也没有for medical, 因为我一分钱也不想花在医疗上。
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daoran
华人是美国的未来 ---发自Huaren官方Android app
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vickyu
这个时候华人的优势体现了,存钱,居安思危。

也不用恐慌,真到了要担心社会动乱那一步,版上很多人估计早回国躲着了
ych133 发表于 3/14/2020 7:31:07 PM [url=https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2518860&postid=83138923#83138923][img][/img][/url]

真的动乱到那一步了,中国也要断航了吧,转机机票可以被炒到1万刀一张,老中有钱
熊猫想想
在subprime loan工作的人出来谈一下 美国大概是40%的人拿不出800应急金 我们作为不是特别subprime的 对象大部分是年薪五六万 credit score又差一点没到大银行那29.99apr的线 但是紧急情况发生需要借钱的人 比如车子坏了 孩子生病进了er
对于这些人来说 一两个月没收入 是致命的
这些人通常跟我们板上的人没什么交集 连我自己 进去这个公司之前很多也不知道 进了公司之后 很多的data一次次刷新了我对他们的认识 但是 不能否认 这些人人口基数还是很大的
这里还没提到还有很多lender比我们还要subprime 不敢想象他们的data看起来啥样的
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evahepburn
回复 [url=https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2518860&postid=83146383#83146383]49楼熊猫想想的帖子[/url] 赞mm信息! 美国一半家庭左右确实是hand-to-mouth