瑞德西韦药效特别好???记得之前中国专家不是说没什么效果吗?

胖兔球球
楼主 (北美华人网)

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shoppingisfun
这个你看和那个药比。 比中医双黄连那可是疗效差远了,瑞德西韦哪里赶的上。
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twptwp
希望日本的结论是真的
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genechn
中国的专家很多都是砖家吧,靠屁股吃饭的,尤其是吹中医的那群。
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justwatching
日本自己的法匹拉韦不用,用remedsivir, 这不明摆着
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robustor
哪个中国专家这么说过?
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chixal
回复 1楼胖兔球球的帖子 这标题节奏带的巧妙。哪有中国专家说没什么效果?你是听自家家庭医生老军医老中医说的吧?一直以来都是认为这个药是最有希望的。
胖兔球球
回复 1楼胖兔球球的帖子

这标题节奏带的巧妙。哪有中国专家说没什么效果?你是听自家家庭医生老军医老中医说的吧?一直以来都是认为这个药是最有希望的。
chixal 发表于 3/14/2020 1:38:06 PM

带什么节奏?不要一来就给人戴帽子。待在美国的人哪个不希望这个药有效?
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rime
都把盗版送到意大利去,还能是没效果?
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yangff
哪个中国专家这么说过?
robustor 发表于 3/14/2020 1:37:53 PM

金银潭说的是有效,据说是对有些人很有效,有些人没效
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chixal

带什么节奏?不要一来就给人戴帽子。待在美国的人哪个不希望这个药有效?

胖兔球球 发表于 3/14/2020 1:46:08 PM


全世界有谁不希望这个药有疗效的吗?又是哪个中国专家说这个没啥疗效?曹彬那里临床还没结束,中国专家认为这个药没什么效果结论从哪里来的
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Powerkidney
名字不好听 改叫瑞德中伟吧
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yoyoandme
据说是越早干预越好,发病8天以内治疗效果好,如果已经进入免疫因子风暴阶段就没有什么灵药了
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doublemint
如果是真的这真是振奋人心的好消息
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ca563
据说是越早干预越好,发病8天以内治疗效果好,如果已经进入免疫因子风暴阶段就没有什么灵药了
yoyoandme 发表于 3/14/2020 2:00:23 PM

早期不是让在家扛着吗?等到可以住院了,不知道还来不来得及用药
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express77
据说是越早干预越好,发病8天以内治疗效果好,如果已经进入免疫因子风暴阶段就没有什么灵药了
yoyoandme 发表于 3/14/2020 2:00:23 PM

上面不是说都是重症吗
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conmen

看不了全文
express77 发表于 3/14/2020 2:24:11 PM

TOKYO—The an­tivi­ral drug remde­sivir ap­peared to have an ef­fect in Amer­i­can cruise pas­sen­gers treated for the novel coro­n­avirus in Japan, al­though data are lim­ited, ac­cord­ing to a doc­tor sent to Tokyo by the U.S. gov­ern­ment. Rear Adm. Richard Childs, an as­sistant sur­geon gen­eral and lung spe­cial­ist at the Na­tional In­sti­tutes of Health, said 14 Amer­i­cans who con­tracted the virus on the Di­a­mond Princess cruise ship and were treated at Ja­panese hos­pi­tals re­ceived the ex­per­i­men­tal drug from Gilead Sci­ences Inc. Those 14 were “crit­i­cally ill peo­ple and their av­er­age age is 75,” he said. “Many of them were prob­a­bly go­ing to die in a short amount of time, and two weeks later no­body has died and more than half of them have re­cov­ered. It’s just ab­so­lutely amaz­ing.” But he cau­tioned, “It’s go­ing to take us a while to fig­ure out what the im­pact of the drug has been.” The drug is be­ing tested in the U.S. and Asia by in­de­pen­dent groups as well as Gilead, but no large-scale re­sults are avail­able. Japan is one of the places where remde­sivir is set to be com­pared with a placebo, a trial de­sign likely to of­fer a bet­ter sense of the drug’s ef­fi­cacy. “There is a lot of work to do,” said No­rio Ohma­gari, head of in­fec­tious dis­eases at the Na­tional Cen­ter for Global Health and Med­i­cine in Tokyo, who is lead­ing the Ja­panese trial set to start this month. The cruise pas­sen­gers prob­a­bly had bet­ter odds than the av­er­age per­son their age. “They are not bedrid­den, they are high-per­form­ing older folk that maybe al­ready have their next cruise planned,” Dr. Childs said. He said his ex­pe­ri­ence in Japan of­fered lessons for the U.S., which now has more than 1,700 in­fected peo­ple, and sug­gested fac­tors be­yond drug treat­ment that in­crease sur­vival. One is mak­ing restor­ing lung func­tion the pri­or­ity—some­times us­ing an ad­vanced form of life sup­port that oxy­genates the blood and pumps it back into the same vein from which it was ex­tracted. “When every­thing hit the fan, the Ja­panese knew to fo­cus on the lungs and make sure to get the right kind of sup­port they need,” said Dr. Childs, clin­i­cal di­rec­tor at the NIH’s Na­tional Heart, Lung and Blood In­sti­tute. The Di­a­mond Princess was put un­der two-week quar­an­tine Feb. 5 af­ter dock­ing in Yoko­hama. In the fol­low­ing days, hun­dreds of pas­sen­gers were di­ag­nosed with the virus and taken by am­bu­lance to Ja­panese hos­pi­tals. Ul­ti­mately more than 700 pas­sen­gers and crew tested pos­i­tive, and eight pas­sen­gers have died—seven in Japan and one Aus­tralian who had re­turned home. Amer­i­cans who tested neg­a­tive re­turned home on evac­u­a­tion flights that de­parted Feb. 17, but Dr. Childs said of­fi­cials re­al­ized the mis­sion wasn’t over be­cause about 50 Amer­i­cans were still hos­pi­tal­ized in Japan in iso­la­tion rooms. He ar­rived in Japan Feb. 19. As in other coun­tries in­clud­ing China, doc­tors in Japan have been try­ing a va­ri­ety of ex­ist­ing drugs, in­clud­ing some used to treat AIDS and in­fluenza, as well as steroids to re­duce in­flam­ma­tion. “Once we made it clear there was a pos­si­bil­ity of get­ting remde­sivir, most of them jumped at the op­por­tu­nity,” Dr. Childs said of Ja­panese doc­tors. The Amer­i­can pa­tients were scat­tered among hos­pi­tals in ones and twos. Dr. Childs turned to a for­mer stu­dent, Take­hito Igarashi, a Tokyo-based en­docrinol­ogy sur­geon, who told the U.S. team that get­ting the med­ical records would re­quire fax­ing in­di­vid­ual re­quests to each doc­tor. They also got health-min­istry ap­proval for an emer­gency ship­ment of the ex­per­i­men­tal drug. Dr. Childs set up a war room in the U.S. Em­bassy and stud­ied X-rays, lab­o­ra­tory re­sults and med­ical his­tory of each pa­tient be­fore 14 Amer­i­cans were se­lected to re­ceive remde­sivir. Three Ja­panese pa­tients also qual­i­fied. “This par­tic­u­lar sit­u­a­tion with Japan ab­sorb­ing a large num­ber of in­ternational cases from the cruise ship was unique,” said Di­ana Brainard, Gilead’s se­nior vice pres­i­dent for HIV and emerg­ing vi­ral in­fec­tions. In late Feb­ruary, the first pa­tient re­ceived the drug, and Dr. Childs trav­eled to hos­pi­tals across the Tokyo re­gion to meet doc­tors and pa­tients’ fam­i­lies. Remde­sivir is ad­min­is­tered in­tra-venously once a day for 10 days, with a higher dose the first day. Dr. Childs said he no­ticed pa­tients needed less sup­port from a ven­ti­la­tor af­ter get­ting the drug. All 17 pa­tients who re­ceived remde­sivir are alive, though five of the Amer­i­cans re­main crit­i­cally ill. The sit­u­a­tion “cer­tainly has the feel that the drug was do­ing some­thing. It’s al­most im­pos­si­ble to prove it,” Dr. Childs said. Write to Sury­at­apa Bhat­tacharya at Sury­at­a­pa.B­hat­tacharya@wsj.­com Cor­rec­tion Dr. Richard Childs ar­rived in Japan on Feb. 19 to help Amer­i­cans who con­tracted the novel coro­n­avirus. An ear­lier ver­sion of this ar­ti­cle in­cor­rectly im­plied he ar­rived on Feb. 16. (March 14, 2020)
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zazads

金银潭说的是有效,据说是对有些人很有效,有些人没效

yangff 发表于 3/14/2020 1:49:37 PM

用药的当然有效,对照组的当然没效,又没揭盲
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happlen
瑞德西韦在国内的实验做到现在都没做完,因为招募不到足够多的病人。需要大概700个病人,到现在只招募到一半。要是一开始就招满了人,现在已经结束实验揭盲了。 这要是双黄连这么有效,700人还不是领导一句话的事吗。招不满人说没有阻力谁信啊。
全世界有谁不希望这个药有疗效的吗?又是哪个中国专家说这个没啥疗效?曹彬那里临床还没结束,中国专家认为这个药没什么效果结论从哪里来的 chixal 发表于 3/14/2020 1:52:00 PM
弹指芳华
瑞德西韦在国内的实验做到现在都没做完,因为招募不到足够多的病人。需要大概700个病人,到现在只招募到一半。要是一开始就招满了人,现在已经结束实验揭盲了。

这要是双黄连这么有效,700人还不是领导一句话的事吗。招不满人说没有阻力谁信啊。

happlen 发表于 3/14/2020 7:21:48 PM


Trial没招满人,搞的没法按计划结束,仿制药都已经做出来了,且拿去意大利当人情送了,服气呀
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gem
这个你看和那个药比。
比中医双黄连那可是疗效差远了,瑞德西韦哪里赶的上。
shoppingisfun 发表于 3/14/2020 1:32:48 PM

😂
小魔女DoReMi
都把盗版送到意大利去,还能是没效果?

rime 发表于 3/14/2020 1:48:23 PM


自己国民强制加中药,对外还是舍不得
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NCMR
好消息