医生不给治疗的可以用大剂量维生素C自救

h
herbs
楼主 (北美华人网)
中国的临床实验表明大剂量的维生素C对普通和重症新冠都有效。
上海市2019冠状病毒病综合救治专家共识https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/bF2YhJKiOfe1yimBc4XwOA

(二)轻型和普通型患者的治疗 需加强支持治疗,保证充分热量;注意水、电解质平衡,维持内环境稳定;密切监测患者生命体征和指氧饱和度等。及时给予有效氧疗措施。原则上不使用抗菌药物和糖皮质激素。需密切观察患者病情变化,若病情出现显著进展并有转为重型风险时,建议采取综合措施阻止疾病进展为重型,可酌情谨慎使用低剂量短程糖皮质激素(具体方案见糖皮质激素的应用章节)。推荐使用肝素抗凝和大剂量维生素C治疗。
三)重症与危重症患者的脏器功能支持治疗
6. 细胞因子风暴”的防治:推荐使用大剂量维生素C和普通肝素抗凝。大剂量维生素C每天100~200 mg/kg静脉注射。
To the best of his knowledge, Dr. Cheng said the so-called "Shanghai Plan" published on March 1 is the first and only official government guideline for using vitamin C for something as serious as the novel coronavirus. He said there is a push to get additional Chinese hospital groups to study oral liposomal vitamin C for treatment of the virus because oral forms can be administered rapidly and widely to large numbers of affected patients.

Dr. Cheng states that the principle investigator of the first high-dose IV vitamin C trial in China has told him that the preliminary results of the study are promising. The investigator said the administration of 24 grams per day to COVID-19 patients leads to significant reductions in inflammation. Dr. Cheng said this is notable because massive inflammation in the lungs and potentially other organs may be fatal in the illness.
p
ppcat007
自己不懂怎么注射啊,得家里有个护士啊
h
herbs
https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/103877818 维生素C对预防病毒感染的作用
h
htdzky
怎么不阿司匹林? huaren最近文盲越来越多
s
sosososo
买不到VC的话,过期的VC胶囊还能吃吗?
g
ggbreeze
可以买大剂量的酯化处理过的vc,但是vc长期吃高剂量的对身体有害,请谨慎服用
p
pwwq
吃大量的蔬菜水果
h
herbs
自己不懂怎么注射啊,得家里有个护士啊

ppcat007 发表于 3/14/2020 9:13:53 AM

轻症和普通患者可以分多次口服。最好口服脂化的维生素C,否则有人肠胃不适,会腹泻。
h
herbs

吃大量的蔬菜水果
pwwq 发表于 3/14/2020 9:16:24 AM

剂量差太远
h
herbs
自己不懂怎么注射啊,得家里有个护士啊

ppcat007 发表于 3/14/2020 9:13:53 AM

其实取代静脉注射的一个简单方法是肛门灌注,只是绝大部分人都不会接受。
l
luluwang
猛吃猕猴桃喝橙子
h
herbs
中南医院彭志勇团队:正进行大剂量维C治疗新冠肺炎临床试验 https://m.thepaper.cn/newsDetail_forward_5965059
b
brandnewvest

买不到VC的话,过期的VC胶囊还能吃吗?

sosososo 发表于 3/14/2020 9:15:44 AM

他说的是注射,
h
herbs
可以买大剂量的酯化处理过的vc,但是vc长期吃高剂量的对身体有害,请谨慎服用
ggbreeze 发表于 3/14/2020 9:16:02 AM


许多人长期服用超大剂量维生素C也未见异常。包令每天吃1万毫克以上吃了几十年。
h
herbs

他说的是注射,

brandnewvest 发表于 3/14/2020 9:31:00 AM

对还可以进食的病人来说,注射和口服效果差别不大,口服也会很快吸收进入血液
h
herbs
猛吃猕猴桃喝橙子
luluwang 发表于 3/14/2020 9:28:01 AM

100克猕猴桃中的维生素C含量为62毫克,你要吃10公斤以上才够治疗剂量
h
herbs
回复 1楼herbs的帖子

维生素C每天不要超过1000
miaowang1998 发表于 3/14/2020 9:44:11 AM

我说的是治疗剂量,1000毫克太少了,至少要1万毫克分多次服用。有临床剂量甚至到了20万毫克。
s
sis开聊
如果只有Vc补充粒的 1000mg/粒 这得吃多少才够量
h
herbs
如果只有Vc补充粒的 1000mg/粒
这得吃多少才够量
sis开聊 发表于 3/14/2020 9:51:20 AM

普通的VC口服多了容易腹泻,要用脂化的。liposomal Vc好多地方已经脱销, 可以自己用卵磷脂和粉末VC制备
h
herbs
In a series of YouTube videos released within the last two weeks, Richard Cheng MD, PhD, Chinese Edition Editor of the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service states there are at least three clinical trials in China studying the effects of high-dose IV vitamin C for the treatment of COVID-19. He mentions the Shanghai Medical Association has released an expert consensus statement on the comprehensive treatment of COVID-19 where they endorse the use of high-dose IV vitamin C for the illness. To the best of his knowledge, Dr. Cheng said the so-called "Shanghai Plan" published on March 1 is the first and only official government guideline for using vitamin C for something as serious as the novel coronavirus. He said there is a push to get additional Chinese hospital groups to study oral liposomal vitamin C for treatment of the virus because oral forms can be administered rapidly and widely to large numbers of affected patients. Dr. Cheng states that the principle investigator of the first high-dose IV vitamin C trial in China has told him that the preliminary results of the study are promising. The investigator said the administration of 24 grams per day to COVID-19 patients leads to significant reductions in inflammation. Dr. Cheng said this is notable because massive inflammation in the lungs and potentially other organs may be fatal in the illness.
l
lambofgod168
可以买大剂量的酯化处理过的vc,但是vc长期吃高剂量的对身体有害,请谨慎服用
ggbreeze 发表于 3/14/2020 9:16:02 AM

我以前怎么看到说vc吃多了没事,很快会排出体外?
h
herbs
The investigator said the administration of 24 grams per day to COVID-19 patients leads to significant reductions in inflammation.
s
sonicsonic
可以买大剂量的酯化处理过的vc,但是vc长期吃高剂量的对身体有害,请谨慎服用
ggbreeze 发表于 3/14/2020 9:16:02 AM


任何东西长期高剂量都不建议。但是特殊时期,而且VC是水溶性的可以随尿液排除体外,所以还好吧。
v
vickyu
我又要来泼冷水了。 上海方案里的大剂量VC我知道是哪个傻叉提出来的,估计张文宏也是被缠得没办法了。 此人我们背后都叫他钢笔hahaha。
c
centipede1000
赞👍
p
ppcat007
如果只有Vc补充粒的 1000mg/粒
这得吃多少才够量
sis开聊 发表于 3/14/2020 9:51:20 AM

普通的VC口服多了容易腹泻,要用脂化的。liposomal Vc好多地方已经脱销, 可以自己用卵磷脂和粉末VC制备

herbs 发表于 3/14/2020 9:57:16 AM
有具体制作方法吗?谢谢
h
herbs
有具体制作方法吗?谢谢

ppcat007 发表于 3/14/2020 10:25:26 AM

1 and 1/2 cup of water into blender, add 6 tablespoons of sunflower lecithin, blend for 1 minute.
Add 3 tablespoons of sodium ascorbate to 1 and 1/2 cups of water, stir till dissolved, then add to blender and blend for 1 minute.
Pour batch into ultrasonic cleaner.
油管上有不少视频,我列的是最简单的办法。超声清洗器亚麻上有,20刀左右。
n
nbixxibn
我又要来泼冷水了。
上海方案里的大剂量VC我知道是哪个傻叉提出来的,估计张文宏也是被缠得没办法了。
此人我们背后都叫他钢笔hahaha。
vickyu 发表于 3/14/2020 10:16:45 AM


钢笔是什么意思? 没有听说过这个词来形容人.
h
herbs
我又要来泼冷水了。
上海方案里的大剂量VC我知道是哪个傻叉提出来的,估计张文宏也是被缠得没办法了。
此人我们背后都叫他钢笔hahaha。
vickyu 发表于 3/14/2020 10:16:45 AM

我在这里发帖,经常第一个回复就是说我弱智,文盲之类的,俺都是笑而不语。
v
vickyu

我在这里发帖,经常第一个回复就是说我弱智,文盲之类的,俺都是笑而不语。

herbs 发表于 3/14/2020 10:33:55 AM


买氯喹,还不如自制豆浆+双黄连,对你比较有效。
y
yangff
都卖完了
v
viwistty
就是买不到了呀,刚才发帖说昨天买不到,有人说造谣,有人送了一顶五毛帽子,
s
somuch
看过一个视频,治疗的话每天3000mg的VC和1000单位的VE. 不知道有没有用。
c
catgoose
洗鼻子的可以买这个: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01787L6QY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 自己医保卡可以覆盖的。
t
thinredline
就买到了一瓶60颗 1000毫克的,只够6天治疗的。后悔没多买点。
n
nycsunshine


钢笔是什么意思? 没有听说过这个词来形容人.

nbixxibn 发表于 3/14/2020 10:31:58 AM


戆B, 就是傻B (B是生殖器的B,不是牛B的B).

上海话。

册那,个弄就是只戆B !
h
herbs
染了新冠不能吃布洛芬之类的退烧药,柳叶刀说会加大风险: https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S2213-2600(20)30116-8
h
herbs
打过流感疫苗的要小心,疫苗会恶化冠状病毒病情
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/31607599/
h
herbs

就买到了一瓶60颗
1000毫克的,只够6天治疗的。后悔没多买点。

thinredline 发表于 3/14/2020 11:21:20 AM

亚麻上还有很多,这东西便宜得很,生产容易,一公斤零卖才30刀。
w
whatfor

其实取代静脉注射的一个简单方法是肛门灌注,只是绝大部分人都不会接受。

herbs 发表于 3/14/2020 9:23:32 AM


那还不如直接舌下含服来的容易接受
c
chore
VC乱吃会得败血症
w
whatfor

我以前怎么看到说vc吃多了没事,很快会排出体外?

lambofgod168 发表于 3/14/2020 10:01:03 AM


的确是多吃多排少吃少排
但是VC的问题是它的治疗作用真正有效都是大量IV injection。 口服血液达不到那么高的溶度,当年很多实验都fail了。
后来发现不是它没有效果,而是最早证明有用的时候就是IV用药的,不是口服。 当年读过一些相关的,我依稀记得这些。 这就是为什么现在国内都是IV用药。
w
whatfor

VC乱吃会得败血症

chore 发表于 3/14/2020 3:14:51 PM


妈呀,这位同学,VC 是用来治疗败血症的好不好。
c
cathytree
能不能每天都来民科或者没有循证医学做支持的胡诌。这种共识有谁来负责吗?
木瓜瓜
可用口服补充,多饮orange juice. 短期服用不会影响太大,等过了疫情可停用。
h
herbs
能不能每天都来民科或者没有循证医学做支持的胡诌。这种共识有谁来负责吗?
cathytree 发表于 3/14/2020 3:39:38 PM

我贴了很多临床实验啊。中国现在还有很多临床实验正在进行中,初步数据不错。
麦田007
Sepsis protocol里都有一天四次维C注射,管点用也不算新闻
大青椒
中国的临床实验表明大剂量的维生素C对普通和重症新冠都有效。
上海市2019冠状病毒病综合救治专家共识https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/bF2YhJKiOfe1yimBc4XwOA

(二)轻型和普通型患者的治疗 需加强支持治疗,保证充分热量;注意水、电解质平衡,维持内环境稳定;密切监测患者生命体征和指氧饱和度等。及时给予有效氧疗措施。原则上不使用抗菌药物和糖皮质激素。需密切观察患者病情变化,若病情出现显著进展并有转为重型风险时,建议采取综合措施阻止疾病进展为重型,可酌情谨慎使用低剂量短程糖皮质激素(具体方案见糖皮质激素的应用章节)。推荐使用肝素抗凝和大剂量维生素C治疗。
三)重症与危重症患者的脏器功能支持治疗
6. 细胞因子风暴”的防治:推荐使用大剂量维生素C和普通肝素抗凝。大剂量维生素C每天100~200 mg/kg静脉注射。
To the best of his knowledge, Dr. Cheng said the so-called "Shanghai Plan" published on March 1 is the first and only official government guideline for using vitamin C for something as serious as the novel coronavirus. He said there is a push to get additional Chinese hospital groups to study oral liposomal vitamin C for treatment of the virus because oral forms can be administered rapidly and widely to large numbers of affected patients.

Dr. Cheng states that the principle investigator of the first high-dose IV vitamin C trial in China has told him that the preliminary results of the study are promising. The investigator said the administration of 24 grams per day to COVID-19 patients leads to significant reductions in inflammation. Dr. Cheng said this is notable because massive inflammation in the lungs and potentially other organs may be fatal in the illness.
herbs 发表于 3/14/2020 9:12:47 AM


你也太民科了,读文章的时候看看上下文:
推荐使用肝素抗凝和大剂量维生素C治疗。低分子肝素1~2支/d,持续至患者D-二聚体水平恢复正常。一旦纤维蛋白降解产物(fibrinogen degradation product,FDP)≥10 µg/mL和(或)D-二聚体≥5 μg/mL,则改用普通肝素抗凝。维生素C每天50~100 mg/kg,静脉滴注持续使用时间以氧合指数显著改善为目标。如出现肺部病灶进展,推荐应用大剂量广谱蛋白酶抑制剂乌司他丁60~100万单位/d,持续至肺部影像学检查改善。一旦出现“细胞因子风暴”,建议采用间断短时血液滤过(intermittent short veno-venuous hemofiltration,ISVVH)。

这很难理解吗?人家说的是2种给药措施,而且每种措施的目的和终点都很明确。你自己在家怎么检测这些指标?发这种帖子之前,麻烦看认真点!别让不明真相群众瞎激动!最后还有血液过滤,你自己在家能做?
台灯MM
楼主你真他妈的坏啊,带任务的吧?得病后增加免疫力死的更快
p
pineappletin


戆B, 就是傻B (B是生殖器的B,不是牛B的B).

上海话。

册那,个弄就是只戆B !

nycsunshine 发表于 3/14/2020 11:37:19 AM

呃,
戆B要加个养子的,不单独说的……戆卵倒是单独说的吧……
c
claire888
每天吃点预防的可以 这么大剂量的还是应该遵照医嘱吧
D
Dawnatwindow
回复 29楼herbs的帖子 支持你!好久以前我就研究过这个。一时忘记了。谢谢分享!
W
Wmzq123
买两盒双黄连月饼,吃了还顶饿
S
Sunnyday19

VC乱吃会得败血症

chore 发表于 3/14/2020 3:14:51 PM

乱说
S
Sunnyday19
可以买大剂量的酯化处理过的vc,但是vc长期吃高剂量的对身体有害,请谨慎服用
ggbreeze 发表于 3/14/2020 9:16:02 AM

Vc 水溶性的,吃多了就排出去了
t
tbaobao
每天一粒Vc,Vb
W
WarmClock
每天一粒Vc,Vb
tbaobao 发表于 3/14/2020 8:36:16 PM

没症状不用吃吧。
估计最近几个月维生素C买起来不容易
需要的时候再吃。
h
herbs
Here is a verified official statement from China's Xi'an Jiaotong University Second Hospital: "On the afternoon of February 20, 2020, another 4 patients with severe coronavirus pneumonia recovered from the C10 West Ward of Tongji Hospital. In the past 8 patients have been discharged from hospital. . . [H]igh-dose vitamin C achieved good results in clinical applications. We believe that for patients with severe neonatal pneumonia, and for critically ill patients, vitamin C treatment should be initiated as soon as possible after admission. Numerous studies have shown that the dose of vitamin C has a lot to do with the effect of treatment. High-dose vitamin C can not only improve antiviral levels, but more importantly, can prevent and treat acute lung injury (ALI) and acute respiratory distress (ARDS)." Here is a report from Korea: "At my hospital in Daegu, South Korea, all inpatients and all staff members have been using vitamin C orally since last week. Some people this week had a mild fever, headaches and coughs, and those who had symptoms got 30,000 mg intravenous vitamin C. Some people got better after about two days, and most had symptoms go away after one injection." (Hyoungjoo Shin, M.D.) There are at least three high-dose intravenous vitamin C studies underway in China. Literally by the truckload, tons of vitamin C has been sent into Wuhan. Here is a report from a physician in China: "We need to broadcast a message worldwide very quickly: Vitamin C (small or large dose) does no harm to people and is the one of the few, if not the only, agent that has a chance to prevent us from getting, and can treat, COVID-19 infection. When can we, medical doctors and scientists, put patients' lives first?" (Richard Z. Cheng, MD, PhD, International Vitamin C China Epidemic Medical Support Team Leader) News media attacks on vitamin C are centered on false allegations of dangers with megadoses. This tactic lets the media ignore the truth that even LOW doses of vitamin C reduce symptoms and death rates. Do not let the media spin this issue. Advocates of vitamin C are medical doctors, not spin doctors. They are experienced, credentialed clinicians who have read the science, a small sample of which follows: Even small supplemental amounts of vitamin C can keep severely ill patients from dying. [Hunt C et al. Int J Vitam Nutr Res 1994;64:212-19.] Infants with viral pneumonia treated with vitamin C had reduced mortality. [Ren Shiguang et al. Hebei Medicine 1978,4:1-3] 17,000 mg/day vitamin C given intravenously shortened intensive care unit stay by 44%. [Hemilä H, Chalker E. Nutrients. 2019 Mar 27;11:4.] 200 mg of vitamin C reduced duration of severe pneumonia in children. Oxygen saturation was improved in less than one day. [Khan IM et al. J Rawalpindi Med Coll (JRMC); 2014;18(1):55-57]
s
silverblade
回复 1楼herbs的帖子 楼主我支持你。我是维他命C的忠实信徒。对付病毒,维C是非常给力的。感染了新冠病毒,如果一开始就服用治疗剂量的维C,我相信根本不会发展为肺炎。
s
silverblade
回复 1楼herbs的帖子

楼主我支持你。我是维他命C的忠实信徒。对付病毒,维C是非常给力的。感染了新冠病毒,如果一开始就服用治疗剂量的维C,我相信根本不会发展为肺炎。
silverblade 发表于 3/14/2020 10:23:20 PM

新冠病毒尽管放马过来吧,我已经准备好了。维C在手,天下我有。
h
herbs
2月8日到达武汉当晚,巩守平就组织医疗队对大剂量维C用于新冠治疗进行讨论。 因为西安交大二附院王世臣教授早在上世纪50年代首创应用大剂量维C抢救急性克山病心源性休克患者,将死亡率从95%降低至5%,并获全国科学大会奖的院史令他记忆深刻。他分析,不管是过去的克山病、SARS和中东呼吸综征,还是现在的新冠肺炎,患者致死的主要原因都是急性炎症反应所致的心肺功能衰竭。当病毒导致氧化应激增加,患者出现心肺等重要脏器器官功能衰竭后,维C等抗氧化剂可以发挥积极的作用。他悉知国外相关研究也表明大剂量维C在救治急性呼吸窘迫综合征、感染性休克等急危重症中具有良好效果。于是,他组织医疗队专家组从新冠肺炎的发病机制讨论了大剂量维C临床应用的可行性,并参考欧洲重症营养指南(ESPEN),拟定了对重症和危重症患者分别采用6g/d及12g/d的剂量治疗的具体措施,同时在国家方案的基础上建议针对肺部炎症反应失衡所导致的急性损伤加用大剂量氨溴索等药物。临床应用后患者病情均趋于好转,方案对提高新冠患者尤其是危重患者救治成功率发挥出明显效果。
l
latingirl
我医生朋友说要小心食用大量维西,会引起肾衰竭! 中国的临床实验表明大剂量的维生素C对普通和重症新冠都有效。 上海市2019冠状病毒病综合救治专家共识 https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/bF2YhJKiOfe1yimBc4XwOA (二)轻型和普通型患者的治疗 需加强支持治疗,保证充分热量;注意水、电解质平衡,维持内环境稳定;密切监测患者生命体征和指氧饱和度等。及时给予有效氧疗措施。原则上不使用抗菌药物和糖皮质激素。需密切观察患者病情变化,若病情出现显著进展并有转为重型风险时,建议采取综合措施阻止疾病进展为重型,可酌情谨慎使用低剂量短程糖皮质激素(具体方案见糖皮质激素的应用章节)。推荐使用肝素抗凝和大剂量维生素C治疗。 三)重症与危重症患者的脏器功能支持治疗 6. 细胞因子风暴”的防治:推荐使用大剂量维生素C和普通肝素抗凝。大剂量维生素C每天100~200 mg/kg静脉注射。 To the best of his knowledge, Dr. Cheng said the so-called "Shanghai Plan" published on March 1 is the first and only official government guideline for using vitamin C for something as serious as the novel coronavirus. He said there is a push to get additional Chinese hospital groups to study oral liposomal vitamin C for treatment of the virus because oral forms can be administered rapidly and widely to large numbers of affected patients. Dr. Cheng states that the principle investigator of the first high-dose IV vitamin C trial in China has told him that the preliminary results of the study are promising. The investigator said the administration of 24 grams per day to COVID-19 patients leads to significant reductions in inflammation. Dr. Cheng said this is notable because massive inflammation in the lungs and potentially other organs may be fatal in the illness.
b
betterme
vc吃多会排出去吧....
珞珈山街
有用的。 我怀疑有个亲戚是吃VC 自愈的。他年纪大,因为家人在武汉中心医院就诊住院,十二月底在武汉中心医院长期混着。有两天他有点问题,跑回家中大便,因为无法使用医院蹲坑。据他说,可能因为便秘还是啥的用力过度,全身不对劲,几乎昏厥,然后吃了大剂量VC ,缓过劲来。后来就慢慢好了。
g
gmat22003
染了新冠不能吃布洛芬之类的退烧药,柳叶刀说会加大风险:

https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S2213-2600(20)30116-8
herbs 发表于 3/14/2020 2:54:01 PM


这个是说不能吃含布洛芬的Advil ? 泰诺可以吃。

还是说只要是退烧药就不能吃?
l
lastunas
回复 56楼tbaobao的帖子 多吃点桔子猕猴桃
u
uslady
Shanghai plan?! 辱华
中国的临床实验表明大剂量的维生素C对普通和重症新冠都有效。
上海市2019冠状病毒病综合救治专家共识https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/bF2YhJKiOfe1yimBc4XwOA

(二)轻型和普通型患者的治疗 需加强支持治疗,保证充分热量;注意水、电解质平衡,维持内环境稳定;密切监测患者生命体征和指氧饱和度等。及时给予有效氧疗措施。原则上不使用抗菌药物和糖皮质激素。需密切观察患者病情变化,若病情出现显著进展并有转为重型风险时,建议采取综合措施阻止疾病进展为重型,可酌情谨慎使用低剂量短程糖皮质激素(具体方案见糖皮质激素的应用章节)。推荐使用肝素抗凝和大剂量维生素C治疗。
三)重症与危重症患者的脏器功能支持治疗
6. 细胞因子风暴”的防治:推荐使用大剂量维生素C和普通肝素抗凝。大剂量维生素C每天100~200 mg/kg静脉注射。
To the best of his knowledge, Dr. Cheng said the so-called "Shanghai Plan" published on March 1 is the first and only official government guideline for using vitamin C for something as serious as the novel coronavirus. He said there is a push to get additional Chinese hospital groups to study oral liposomal vitamin C for treatment of the virus because oral forms can be administered rapidly and widely to large numbers of affected patients.

Dr. Cheng states that the principle investigator of the first high-dose IV vitamin C trial in China has told him that the preliminary results of the study are promising. The investigator said the administration of 24 grams per day to COVID-19 patients leads to significant reductions in inflammation. Dr. Cheng said this is notable because massive inflammation in the lungs and potentially other organs may be fatal in the illness.
herbs 发表于 3/14/2020 9:12:47 AM
吃吃饭
布洛芬退烧药有哪些?
y
ybbgoodfortune
回复 67楼lastunas的帖子 吃多少VC
b
baymom
1000mg算大剂量吗
s
silverblade
1000mg算大剂量吗
baymom 发表于 3/15/2020 12:14:33 AM

这个是保健剂量
湫湫
谢谢谢谢
你是彼岸

100克猕猴桃中的维生素C含量为62毫克,你要吃10公斤以上才够治疗剂量

herbs 发表于 3/14/2020 9:44:27 AM [/url]


人家说二十公斤每日毫无压力,对吧?!
N
NYC你太美
听着怎么这么难受呢,医生不给治疗。。。
你是彼岸


你也太民科了,读文章的时候看看上下文:
推荐使用肝素抗凝和大剂量维生素C治疗。低分子肝素1~2支/d,持续至患者D-二聚体水平恢复正常。一旦纤维蛋白降解产物(fibrinogen degradation product,FDP)≥10 µg/mL和(或)D-二聚体≥5 μg/mL,则改用普通肝素抗凝。维生素C每天50~100 mg/kg,静脉滴注持续使用时间以氧合指数显著改善为目标。如出现肺部病灶进展,推荐应用大剂量广谱蛋白酶抑制剂乌司他丁60~100万单位/d,持续至肺部影像学检查改善。一旦出现“细胞因子风暴”,建议采用间断短时血液滤过(intermittent short veno-venuous hemofiltration,ISVVH)。

这很难理解吗?人家说的是2种给药措施,而且每种措施的目的和终点都很明确。你自己在家怎么检测这些指标?发这种帖子之前,麻烦看认真点!别让不明真相群众瞎激动!最后还有血液过滤,你自己在家能做?

大青椒 发表于 3/14/2020 7:04:12 PM


早说呢,5粒已经下肚了。
心函
猛吃猕猴桃喝橙子
luluwang 发表于 3/14/2020 9:28:01 AM


不怕糖太多啊
s
sosososo
服用维C银翘片可以吗?
h
herbs

服用维C银翘片可以吗?

sosososo 发表于 3/15/2020 1:01:39 PM

剂量不够
h
herbs
布洛芬退烧药有哪些?
吃吃饭 发表于 3/15/2020 12:00:37 AM

现在知道的只有布洛芬会恶化病情。泰诺未见报道说有副作用。
h
herbs
回复 67楼lastunas的帖子

吃多少VC
ybbgoodfortune 发表于 3/15/2020 12:03:31 AM

预防剂量3000毫克吧,多次服用。治疗剂量这个要自己琢磨,我只提供信息。
h
herbs


你也太民科了,读文章的时候看看上下文:
推荐使用肝素抗凝和大剂量维生素C治疗。低分子肝素1~2支/d,持续至患者D-二聚体水平恢复正常。一旦纤维蛋白降解产物(fibrinogen degradation product,FDP)≥10 µg/mL和(或)D-二聚体≥5 μg/mL,则改用普通肝素抗凝。维生素C每天50~100 mg/kg,静脉滴注持续使用时间以氧合指数显著改善为目标。如出现肺部病灶进展,推荐应用大剂量广谱蛋白酶抑制剂乌司他丁60~100万单位/d,持续至肺部影像学检查改善。一旦出现“细胞因子风暴”,建议采用间断短时血液滤过(intermittent short veno-venuous hemofiltration,ISVVH)。

这很难理解吗?人家说的是2种给药措施,而且每种措施的目的和终点都很明确。你自己在家怎么检测这些指标?发这种帖子之前,麻烦看认真点!别让不明真相群众瞎激动!最后还有血液过滤,你自己在家能做?

大青椒 发表于 3/14/2020 7:04:12 PM

我引用上海的共识只是说有这个信息,具体的细节自己琢磨。有人想不明白就别听好了。
h
herbs
French authorities have warned that widely used over-the-counter anti-inflammatory drugs may worsen the coronavirus. The country’s health minister, Olivier Véran, who is a qualified doctor and neurologist, tweeted on Saturday: “The taking of anti-inflammatories [ibuprofen, cortisone … ] could be a factor in aggravating the infection. 他推荐泰诺退烧
h
herbs
A group of medical doctors, healthcare providers and scientists met online March 17, 2020, to discuss the use of high dose intravenous vitamin C (IVC) in the treatment of moderate to severe cases of Covid-19 patients. The key guest was Dr. Enqian Mao, chief of emergency medicine department at Ruijin Hospital, a major hospital in Shanghai, affiliated with the Joatong University College of Medicine. Dr. Mao is also a member of the Senior Expert Team at the Shanghai Public Health Center, where all Covid-19 patients have been treated. In addition, Dr. Mao co-authored the Shanghhai Guidelines for the Treatment of Covid-19 Infection, an official document endorsed by the Shanghai Medical Association and the Shanghai city government. [1] Dr. Mao has been using high-dose dose IVC to treat patients with acute pancreatitis, sepsis, surgical wound healing and other medical conditions for over 10 years. When Covid-19 broke out, he and other experts thought of vitamin C and recommended IVC for the treatment of moderate to severe cases of Covid-19 patients. The recommendation was accepted early in the epidemic by the Shanghai Expert Team. All serious or critically ill Covid-19 patients in the Shanghai area were treated in Shanghai Public Health Center, for a total of 358 Covid-19 patients as of March 17th, 2020. Dr. Mao stated that his group treated ~50 cases of moderate to severe cases of Covid-19 infection with high dose IVC. The IVC dosing was in the range of 10,000 mg - 20,000 mg a day for 7-10 days, with 10,000 mg for moderate cases and 20,000 for more severe cases, determined by pulmonary status (mostly the oxygenation index) and coagulation status. All patients who received IVC improved and there was no mortality. Compared to the average of a 30-day hospital stay for all Covid-19 patients, those patients who received high dose IVC had a hospital stay about 3-5 days shorter than the overall patients. Dr. Mao discussed one severe case in particular who was deteriorating rapidly. He gave a bolus of 50,000 mg IVC over a period of 4 hours. The patient's pulmonary (oxygenation index) status stabilized and improved as the critical care team watched in real time. There were no side effects reported from any of the cases treated with high dose IVC.
h
herbs
Very low Coronavirus death rate in S. Korea. (8/10 of 1%) It's likely the common substance both patients and med. staff are getting daily Here is a report from Korea: "At my hospital in Daegu, South Korea, all inpatients and all staff members have been using vitamin C orally since last week. Some people this week had a mild fever, headaches and coughs, and those who had symptoms got 30,000 mg intravenous vitamin C. Some people got better after about two days, and most had symptoms go away after one injection." (Hyoungjoo Shin, M.D.)
h
herbs
https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/new-york-hospitals-treating-coronavirus-patients-with-vitamin-c/ New York hospitals treating coronavirus with intravenous vitamin C Dr. Andrew Weber, a pulmonologist and critical-care specialist affiliated with two Northwell Health facilities on Long Island, said his intensive-care patients with the coronavirus immediately receive 1,500 milligrams of intravenous vitamin C. Identical amounts of the powerful antioxidant are then re-administered three or four times a day, he said.
h
herbs
I’m an RN in a step down icu. We specialize in vented patients. After a couple weeks of sharing research with the head of infectious diseases we are now giving vitamin c to all our patients and will be recommending all staf take it now as well. https://mobile.twitter.com/tjkuba/status/1242595912318210048?s=21