[ZT 钱百万]美国缺乏冠状病毒检测试剂盒全是因为他

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楼主 (北美华人网)
川普在白宫关于病毒疫情防控紧急会议上说:奥巴马政府通过了一项医疗改革,限制诊断工具的开发的愚蠢法规。 白宫已经在几天前果断推翻了这项法规,所以现在开始有了大量检测试剂盒正在被分配到各州。 左派媒体立即按惯例说:不能怪奥巴马,得怪CDC这个官僚机构! 但是,CDC是归美国国会管理的,也就是说需要责怪佩罗西。她是奥巴马的铁杆盟友好不好。 这事有点乱,反正从CDC到奥巴马,佩罗西全都有责任就对了。 川普的这条推翻奥巴马法规的总统令,还包括允许大学实验室进行冠状病毒的检测。那么奥巴马政府为什么要颁布这条愚蠢的法规呢?这与民主党的大政府集权思维有关。一切都要听从权威的官僚机构CDC发布命令!地方机构开发及应用临床试验的权利被剥夺。注意:现在的民主党候选人的极左大政府思维比奥巴马时代有过之而无不及。 实际上,每任总统上台,都会把官僚机构的负责人都换成自己人。川普并没有这么做,而是把这些技术官僚留了下来。结果好心不一定得到好报,这些人不断给川普下套,成为每次针对川普的无中生有的调查,弹劾的内线,证人。这次CDC的低效率和混乱,有人甚至认为这是他们在故意给川普拆台。好在川普政府防疫效率极高,任命彭斯主管防疫,白宫每天开会,很快就搞清楚了问题的症结所在:原来奥巴马留下的那条法规正在阻碍防疫。 这几天大家都对CDC满含怨气时,奥巴马站出来维护小弟了。他发文说:”我们要相信CDC,相信权威,不要恐慌“。在目前的情况下,这些听上去全是P话。 于是,川普顺势对不识时务撞到枪口上的奥巴马火力全开,痛快! ==== 有人在说加州能不能测,加州应该已经自己能测的。但是测试能力有限。斯坦福那个允许下周自己开测应该就是和这个上面的法规有关。 这个是相关的英文新闻 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-obama.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SytMPKM82S4
start at 15:30
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minqidev
中国用了一个礼拜就弄出试剂盒了;
韩国也只用了一个礼拜。韩国两个礼拜之后就可以把一天测试的数量提升到10000.

唯独美国,怪三年前的总统,耽误了一个礼拜时间研发准备试剂盒。
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greenscreen
甩锅甩锅大甩锅~一起甩
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rime
看来只有看各州自己的啦。
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noshock
回复 1楼bull1的帖子 “CDC是归美国国会管理的”, 哪里来的新闻?
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rosesavels
堪称甩锅届杠把子的,不仅甩出了气度,还甩出了力度和速度,厉害啊。
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Bellissima
把锅甩起来
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heydaymint
把锅甩甩,大步的走开,不怜悯心底小小悲哀 为啥flu到处都能测?
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luckyso
还真有这种脑残规定?大政府啥也干不成
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bull1
把锅甩甩,大步的走开,不怜悯心底小小悲哀

为啥flu到处都能测?
heydaymint 发表于 3/5/2020 2:42:27 PM

这个是老东西了,每个诊所的有。CDC已经批准了。新东西都要经过CDC批准是肯定的。
童童童鞋
“CDC是归美国国会管理的”??立法机关还能管行政部门了???????
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monmon
还真有这种脑残规定?大政府啥也干不成

luckyso 发表于 3/5/2020 2:49:09 PM


昨天CDC的大头自己说的。地方和大学各个lab研发测试要先给官僚机构审批才可以进行, 是奥巴马政府立下的规定。以前是不用的。
从 15分钟开始看

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SytMPKM82S4
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这是指望着大家都不去看原文听你胡咧咧是吧? 刚刚副标题这么说的: But health experts and former Obama officials said they were unaware of any policy or rule changes that would have affected the F.D.A.’s response.
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回复 1楼bull1的帖子[/url]

“CDC是归美国国会管理的”, 哪里来的新闻?
noshock 发表于 3/5/2020 2:38:04 PM


CDC是HHS下面的,HHS是Cabinet的一个部,要是Trump cabinet真归美国国会管理倒好了——话说造这么低级谣所target的目标人群究竟是什么样的教育程度?
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bull1
这是指望着大家都不去看原文听你胡咧咧是吧?

刚刚副标题这么说的:

But health experts and former Obama officials said they were unaware of any policy or rule changes that would have affected the F.D.A.’s response.
westlake 发表于 3/5/2020 2:55:39 PM

看YouTube 15:30 CDC 的人是怎么说的。
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我来贴贴全文,看看LZ还怎么洗: 飘红的部分应该很说明问题了,如果需要翻译请告诉我 WASHINGTON — President Trump sought on Wednesday to deflect criticism of his administration’s response to the coronavirus onto his predecessor, complaining that a federal agency decision under President Barack Obama had made it harder to quickly enact widespread testing for the virus. “The Obama administration made a decision on testing that turned out to be very detrimental to what we’re doing, and we undid that decision a few days ago so that the testing can take place in a much more accurate and rapid fashion,” Mr. Trump said. “That was a decision we disagreed with. I don’t think we would have made it, but for some reason it was made. But we’ve undone that decision.” It was not entirely clear what he was referring to. Health experts and veterans of the government during Mr. Obama’s presidency said they were unaware of any policy or rule changes during the last administration that would have affected the way the Food and Drug Administration approved tests during the current crisis. Moreover, if there were, Mr. Trump did not explain why his administration did not change the rules during its first three years in office. The coronavirus outbreak is now into its third month. Testing restrictions were lifted over the weekend. Mr. Trump appeared intent on focusing attention on the Obama administration at a time when his own handling of the outbreak has come under intense criticism. He made a point of using the former president’s name in comments to reporters during a White House meeting with airline executives, called to discuss the economic effect of the virus. Among other things, critics have pointed to the dismantling of a White House effort set up by Mr. Obama to respond to global health emergencies. The officials involved have left and not been replaced over the past two years, a point made by Obama administration veterans in recent days. No coronavirus issue has attracted as much attention as testing, which even now lags behind other countries dealing with the virus. Local health agencies have complained that a lack of coronavirus tests has hindered their abilities to identify patients, and tight restrictions imposed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on who could be tested have meant that some infected patients waited days before a diagnosis. The last restrictions were lifted Tuesday. “We want to make sure the American people can go to their doctor, can go to the local MedCheck or CVS and obtain access to coronavirus” tests, Vice President Mike Pence, who is leading the administration’s response to the virus, said Wednesday during a White House meeting with laboratory executives. In raising the testing issue, the president appeared to refer to a practice that limited the ability of laboratories run by states, universities and private companies to conduct medical screenings not approved by the Food and Drug Administration. On Saturday, the agency’s commissioner, Stephen M. Hahn, allowed those labs to use tests that they had independently developed. The labs had to submit evidence of the tests’ accuracy before the F.D.A. completes its review. Dozens of labs have now applied for emergency approval under the decision. Dr. Robert Redfield, the C.D.C. director, said the change was quickly making tests more available. “It’s really very important,” he said at the White House event with Mr. Trump. “It’s what’s changed the availability of testing overnight.” Michelle Forman, a spokeswoman for the Association of Public Health Laboratories, whose members had complained that the Food and Drug Administration took too long to approve their tests, said there were some discussions during the Obama administration about whether to tighten restrictions on laboratories that developed their own tests, but “nothing was ever put into place.” She said the association, which represents state and local government labs, was not aware of any Obama-era rules that changed how the labs were regulated or how applications in a public health crisis were reviewed. Dr. Luciana Borio, who oversaw public health preparedness for the National Security Council in Mr. Trump’s White House and was previously the acting chief scientist at the Food and Drug Administration under Mr. Obama, also said she was unaware of any such rule changes during the last administration. The F.D.A. had long held that in an emergency, it wanted to ensure that labs develop tests that were accurate, she said. But “it shouldn’t be more onerous, in theory, because these are very speedy and streamlined,” she said, adding that such approvals can happen within 24 hours. The Project Bioshield Act of 2004 enabled the Food and Drug Administration to require labs to get agency permission to perform certain tests during a public health emergency. In 2009, the Obama administration used that authority for the first time for the H1N1 virus, according to Dr. Joshua Sharfstein, who was then the agency’s principal deputy commissioner. Separately, during the Obama administration, the Food and Drug Administration first started proposing the regulation of lab-developed tests, but that was to apply outside of emergency situations. It was never finalized. It would have required high-risk lab-developed tests to get premarket review. The Food and Drug Administration took the position that during a public health emergency, nongovernment labs should come to it before doing tests. But at any time, the agency was prepared to suspend that practice, as it did on Saturday. Dr. Sharfstein said that the Trump administration hindered itself by giving first approval for a coronavirus test to the C.D.C., which meant that private labs could not conduct testing for clinical reasons without their own approval. “They didn’t have to do it in the first place,” he said. “They’re reversing a decision that they themselves made.” Mr. Obama did not immediately respond to the president’s remarks on Wednesday, but he separately posted a message on Twitter urging Americans to follow advice from the C.D.C. “Protect yourself and your community from coronavirus with common sense precautions: wash your hands, stay home when sick and listen to the @CDCgov and local health authorities,” he wrote. “Save the masks for health care workers. Let’s stay calm, listen to the experts, and follow the science.” Mr. Trump, joining the meeting with airline executives, which had been set to be led by Mr. Pence, sought to reassure Americans that the outbreak was under control and portrayed the cancellation of hundreds of thousands of international flights to affected countries like China as a boon for domestic travel. “A lot of people are doing a lot of domestic business now, I can tell you,” the president said. “They’re staying in this country. They feel safe because we have a — if you look at a percentage, we have a very, very small percentage” of infections. Asked if he considered it safe to fly, Mr. Trump pointed at the executives around his table: “Where these people are flying, it’s safe to fly.” But the airline executives made clear that they were struggling to convince passengers of that. “Right now, the fear is almost worse than the virus,” Nicholas E. Calio, the president and chief executive of Airlines for America, the trade association for leading passenger and cargo airlines, told Mr. Trump, gently pressing him to do more to reassure the traveling public. The president did not directly offer any additional help. “Yeah, no, we’re doing a good job,” he responded. But the famously germ-phobic Mr. Trump said he was doing his part by following medical advice on how to avoid becoming infected. “I haven’t touched my face in weeks,” he said. “Been weeks. I miss it.”
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我来贴贴全文,看看LZ还怎么洗:

飘红的部分应该很说明问题了,如果需要翻译请告诉我

WASHINGTON — President Trump sought on Wednesday to deflect criticism of his administration’s response to the coronavirus onto his predecessor, complaining that a federal agency decision under President Barack Obama had made it harder to quickly enact widespread testing for the virus.

“The Obama administration made a decision on testing that turned out to be very detrimental to what we’re doing, and we undid that decision a few days ago so that the testing can take place in a much more accurate and rapid fashion,” Mr. Trump said. “That was a decision we disagreed with. I don’t think we would have made it, but for some reason it was made. But we’ve undone that decision.”

It was not entirely clear what he was referring to. Health experts and veterans of the government during Mr. Obama’s presidency said they were unaware of any policy or rule changes during the last administration that would have affected the way the Food and Drug Administration approved tests during the current crisis. Moreover, if there were, Mr. Trump did not explain why his administration did not change the rules during its first three years in office.

The coronavirus outbreak is now into its third month. Testing restrictions were lifted over the weekend.

Mr. Trump appeared intent on focusing attention on the Obama administration at a time when his own handling of the outbreak has come under intense criticism. He made a point of using the former president’s name in comments to reporters during a White House meeting with airline executives, called to discuss the economic effect of the virus.

Among other things, critics have pointed to the dismantling of a White House effort set up by Mr. Obama to respond to global health emergencies. The officials involved have left and not been replaced over the past two years, a point made by Obama administration veterans in recent days.

No coronavirus issue has attracted as much attention as testing, which even now lags behind other countries dealing with the virus. Local health agencies have complained that a lack of coronavirus tests has hindered their abilities to identify patients, and tight restrictions imposed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on who could be tested have meant that some infected patients waited days before a diagnosis. The last restrictions were lifted Tuesday.

“We want to make sure the American people can go to their doctor, can go to the local MedCheck or CVS and obtain access to coronavirus” tests, Vice President Mike Pence, who is leading the administration’s response to the virus, said Wednesday during a White House meeting with laboratory executives.

In raising the testing issue, the president appeared to refer to a practice that limited the ability of laboratories run by states, universities and private companies to conduct medical screenings not approved by the Food and Drug Administration.

On Saturday, the agency’s commissioner, Stephen M. Hahn, allowed those labs to use tests that they had independently developed. The labs had to submit evidence of the tests’ accuracy before the F.D.A. completes its review. Dozens of labs have now applied for emergency approval under the decision.

Dr. Robert Redfield, the C.D.C. director, said the change was quickly making tests more available. “It’s really very important,” he said at the White House event with Mr. Trump. “It’s what’s changed the availability of testing overnight.”

Michelle Forman, a spokeswoman for the Association of Public Health Laboratories, whose members had complained that the Food and Drug Administration took too long to approve their tests, said there were some discussions during the Obama administration about whether to tighten restrictions on laboratories that developed their own tests, but “nothing was ever put into place.”

She said the association, which represents state and local government labs, was not aware of any Obama-era rules that changed how the labs were regulated or how applications in a public health crisis were reviewed.

Dr. Luciana Borio, who oversaw public health preparedness for the National Security Council in Mr. Trump’s White House and was previously the acting chief scientist at the Food and Drug Administration under Mr. Obama, also said she was unaware of any such rule changes during the last administration.

The F.D.A. had long held that in an emergency, it wanted to ensure that labs develop tests that were accurate, she said. But “it shouldn’t be more onerous, in theory, because these are very speedy and streamlined,” she said, adding that such approvals can happen within 24 hours.

The Project Bioshield Act of 2004 enabled the Food and Drug Administration to require labs to get agency permission to perform certain tests during a public health emergency. In 2009, the Obama administration used that authority for the first time for the H1N1 virus, according to Dr. Joshua Sharfstein, who was then the agency’s principal deputy commissioner.

Separately, during the Obama administration, the Food and Drug Administration first started proposing the regulation of lab-developed tests, but that was to apply outside of emergency situations. It was never finalized. It would have required high-risk lab-developed tests to get premarket review.

The Food and Drug Administration took the position that during a public health emergency, nongovernment labs should come to it before doing tests. But at any time, the agency was prepared to suspend that practice, as it did on Saturday.

Dr. Sharfstein said that the Trump administration hindered itself by giving first approval for a coronavirus test to the C.D.C., which meant that private labs could not conduct testing for clinical reasons without their own approval.

“They didn’t have to do it in the first place,” he said. “They’re reversing a decision that they themselves made.”

Mr. Obama did not immediately respond to the president’s remarks on Wednesday, but he separately posted a message on Twitter urging Americans to follow advice from the C.D.C.

“Protect yourself and your community from coronavirus with common sense precautions: wash your hands, stay home when sick and listen to the @CDCgov and local health authorities,” he wrote. “Save the masks for health care workers. Let’s stay calm, listen to the experts, and follow the science.”

Mr. Trump, joining the meeting with airline executives, which had been set to be led by Mr. Pence, sought to reassure Americans that the outbreak was under control and portrayed the cancellation of hundreds of thousands of international flights to affected countries like China as a boon for domestic travel.

“A lot of people are doing a lot of domestic business now, I can tell you,” the president said. “They’re staying in this country. They feel safe because we have a — if you look at a percentage, we have a very, very small percentage” of infections.

Asked if he considered it safe to fly, Mr. Trump pointed at the executives around his table: “Where these people are flying, it’s safe to fly.”

But the airline executives made clear that they were struggling to convince passengers of that. “Right now, the fear is almost worse than the virus,” Nicholas E. Calio, the president and chief executive of Airlines for America, the trade association for leading passenger and cargo airlines, told Mr. Trump, gently pressing him to do more to reassure the traveling public.

The president did not directly offer any additional help. “Yeah, no, we’re doing a good job,” he responded.

But the famously germ-phobic Mr. Trump said he was doing his part by following medical advice on how to avoid becoming infected. “I haven’t touched my face in weeks,” he said. “Been weeks. I miss it.”
westlake 发表于 3/5/2020 3:05:28 PM

这种spin看多了,看YouTube CDC 15:30自己是怎么说的。
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westlake
叫不醒装睡的人,你尽管去相信你想信的吧!
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jarvi
哇靠,俩月了吧,非得等到撑不住了才行动,还怪前任。真有床铺的
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elchalten
好臂力,甩锅一甩甩到三年前,川普对测试corona这个 flu是很serious的,都怪奥巴马和左臂,不让隶属于美国卫生及公共服务部的cdc测试。
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TheGreatEscape

这种spin看多了,看YouTube CDC 15:30自己是怎么说的。

bull1 发表于 3/5/2020 3:09:23 PM

对啊,我们也无法判断谁说的是事实。
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zl3341
中国用了一个礼拜就弄出试剂盒了;
韩国也只用了一个礼拜。韩国两个礼拜之后就可以把一天测试的数量提升到10000.

唯独美国,怪三年前的总统,耽误了一个礼拜时间研发准备试剂盒。

minqidev 发表于 3/5/2020 2:34:54 PM

没有CDC这一阵子的骚操作别人又怎么知道问题出在哪?你认为川普在颁发以一个总统紧急令的时候,应该立马改掉CDC已经执行了几年的政策?川老头应该未卜先知CDC的渎职和教条?
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中国用了一个礼拜就弄出试剂盒了;
韩国也只用了一个礼拜。韩国两个礼拜之后就可以把一天测试的数量提升到10000.

唯独美国,怪三年前的总统,耽误了一个礼拜时间研发准备试剂盒。

minqidev 发表于 3/5/2020 2:34:54 PM

怪三年前的总统立法。
我知道有公司保证一个礼拜拿出1Million试剂盒。
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westlake
明显锅甩得不够远啊,应该是小布什的锅,2004 “The Project Bioshield Act of 2004 enabled the Food and Drug Administration to require labs to get agency permission to perform certain tests during a public health emergency.”
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明显锅甩得不够远啊,应该是小布什的锅,2004

“The Project Bioshield Act of 2004 enabled the Food and Drug Administration to require labs to get agency permission to perform certain tests during a public health emergency.”
westlake 发表于 3/5/2020 3:25:57 PM

到底是有还是没有?你刚才说没有。。
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monmon

这种spin看多了,看YouTube CDC 15:30自己是怎么说的。

bull1 发表于 3/5/2020 3:09:23 PM


华邮的报道用‘former officials’, 连姓名都没有来否认,还不是直接了断的否认只说’unaware of‘ ,
典型的春秋手法
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甩葱歌跳起来
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might
明显锅甩得不够远啊,应该是小布什的锅,2004

“The Project Bioshield Act of 2004 enabled the Food and Drug Administration to require labs to get agency permission to perform certain tests during a public health emergency.”
westlake 发表于 3/5/2020 3:25:57 PM


应该是奥巴马负全责了,小布什颁布法令只有4年,川普上台只有3年,
只有奥巴马坐满了中间8年,连厕所都改成男女通用了,却连这样法规都没有改正。

南希佩罗思负次要责任,三十多年的国会议员,小布什、奥巴马、川普和她比都是新人了,连总统都弹劾了,却不去弹劾这样的法规,可以说罪大恶极。
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川普被cdc坑了 不发生事情 又不是这个专业 谁能知道是个大坑 好在川普很快知道有问题 并且找到问题所在 马上解决 已经很雷厉风行了好吧
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lvk
回复 6楼rosesavels的帖子 太有才了
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patx2449
这甩锅方法似曾相识啊。
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babynolica
外宣全马力开动起来了啊。誓把老川拉下马。可惜了,你们这些人连张选票都没,还想影响美国政治。呸!
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oceaniris
中国用了一个礼拜就弄出试剂盒了;
韩国也只用了一个礼拜。韩国两个礼拜之后就可以把一天测试的数量提升到10000.

唯独美国,怪三年前的总统,耽误了一个礼拜时间研发准备试剂盒。

minqidev 发表于 3/5/2020 2:34:54 PM
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楼主,你这个帖子火不起来,得骂老川的才能火
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dodgers


应该是奥巴马负全责了,小布什颁布法令只有4年,川普上台只有3年,
只有奥巴马坐满了中间8年,连厕所都改成男女通用了,却连这样法规都没有改正。

南希佩罗思负次要责任,三十多年的国会议员,小布什、奥巴马、川普和她比都是新人了,连总统都弹劾了,却不去弹劾这样的法规,可以说罪大恶极。

might 发表于 3/5/2020 3:35:24 PM


明明是founding father,george washington的错,如果没有他,美国归英国管,英国管的可好了。
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oceaniris


明明是founding father,george washington的错,如果没有他,美国归英国管,英国管的可好了。

dodgers 发表于 3/5/2020 5:19:43 PM


哈哈哈哈哈